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Bads1
Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 08:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Looking at some TV's today. The wife and I have what we call are TV room where I have all my home theater equipment. We would like to take the present 46 inch TV and put it in the living room and update the the TV room with a DLP. Looking at the 56 inch Toshiba. Any home theater nuts out there???
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 09:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I wouldn't call myself a home theater nut, but I have a 61" RCA and we love it. It was the floor model at Best Buy so we got a pretty good deal on it. It had the best picture in our opinion. So I say if the price is right and the picture looks good to you, I would go for it. You know how all this techno crap goes anyway.... 1 month from now it will be half what you paid for it or they will come out with something that does twice as much for the same price....
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Chasespeed
Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 10:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

And here I am, happy that I have Ramen noodles....I dont even own a TV

Chase
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Bads1
Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 10:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey thats what I had for supper.lol Damn crown fell out of my mouth so dinner got interupted while I went to the dentist tonight. All set now.
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Diablobrian
Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 10:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've got an LCD projection widescreen. I like it a lot (another best buy floor model)

It has a sharp picture and we can play xbox on it.
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Thin_air
Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 11:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I am a Audio Video contractor. The Toshiba unit pails in comparison with the Samsung units. There are 3 models available with varying contrast ratios and resolution ranging from 1400- 2400$. The DLP's are the best bang for the buck. LCD's and Plasma's are considerably more.
I am not trying to sell tv's, I just live and breathe this crap and know what is available, and a dealer for both and knows what looks good.
AND they are the official TV of the NFL (LMFAO)
$.02
Ed
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Bads1
Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 11:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thin air thanks. I just went to a couple reviews and they mimic what you say about Samsung. Ease of use,picture so good it hurts your eyes. I'm looking at the 56 inch Samsung DLP now. Just trying to find the price.
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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 12:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My brother has a Samsung DLP. He is a bit of a techno/audiophile. The picture on that TV is so sharp...let's just say HD TV on a DLP is not friendly to aging actors and newspeople.
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Loki
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 12:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A friend of mine recently added a Samsung DLP to his household.

I am sold. Looking to pick one up after the tax man is thru with me.
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Chasespeed
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 01:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Heh, someone gimme a loan...LMAO

Chase
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Corporatemonkey
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 02:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Santa just delivered my 46in Sharp LCD.

Santa thought my Tivo S3 was lonely
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Ferret_bueller
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 03:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

just my 2 cents....

i would suggest if its available/within budget, whatever model or brand you get a tv that has the following:

HDMI (high definition multimedia interface). With both HD-DVD and Blu-ray (and most likely any future versions yet still on horizon), to get the best picture you will need to use HDMI cable to connect to your TV. The players will also have RCA type component outputs. But since that signal is un-encrypted, both player specs have a 'flag' that if they so choose to, will limit the quality of signal coming out of that.

As of current, i think all the movie studios have said they will not right now downgrade the picture if you use the RCA component cables, but reserve the right to do so in the future (using the 'flag').

HDMI cables will allow the transmission of the full quality signal because its encrypted (in an attempt to prevent you from making perfect copies of your movies).

HDMI versions range from original 1.0 to the most recent 1.3 which is best with highest color depth (1 billion colors) and data throughput (10.2 giga-bits per second) for future broadcast schemes.

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1080P (1080 lines of resolution rendered progressively)

Many TV's already support this. Some TV can only accept up to 1080I (interlaced) but then using a 3:2 pulldown technique to up-convert it to 1080P. While that method works great, it does introduce some picture artifacts (errors). Just cause TV has big label on it saying 1080P doesn't mean it can actually receive that signal, it could be just up-converting the picture. Always ask to make sure you know what you're getting.


hmm...i kinda rambled on there. hopefully that was helpful.

Jeff

(Message edited by ferret_bueller on December 15, 2006)

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New12r
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 07:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thin air, I used to do the same thing, left to go back to auto mech. I make way more money that way. Do you do any high end Two Channel??

I own a Westinghouse 37" LCD and it is stunning!! DLP looks great but I would go LCD or Plasma if you can. Now if you really wanna have fun pick up a Runco DLP projector with a stewart screen!!! Set ya back about $7k for the whole bit(on the low end of their scale) but with 110" of OH MY GOD IT CANT LOOK THAT GOOD!!!
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Ironheadsporty
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 08:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i just got a 50" samsung DLP from sears. zero interest for 6 months. BAD ASS TV. i have also had a 50" hitachi ultravision projection lcd. the dlp's picture has some extra snap to it. DLP is the way to go!!! make sure to get a warrenty plan so if the $350.00 bulb blows they replace it for free! (worth the extra cash)
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Spinzealot
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 08:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A huge plus to the DLP setup is that when the lamp finally goes out (mine took 2 years to die) then you replace the lamp (about $170.00) and you have a brand new TV again. This is not possible with plasma or LCD. Also both plasma and LCD will burn in an image on the screen if left too long. This is not possible with a DLP. I also went with Samsung and love it. just my 2 coppers : )

BTW - DLP projectors are getting cheaper and cheaper if you have the room for it.
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Ironheadsporty
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 09:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

oh and i forgot....the samsung dlp's have a "game mode" if your into that.
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Nutsnbolt
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 09:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So does the RCA Scenium. I have the 61" and I love it. The thing about the lamp... Yeah, but the RCA has a function to either have a longer life or brighter picture. I go around this by changing some of the presets to brighten the picture while saving the lamp.

I love my TV.
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Spinzealot
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 09:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Nutsnbolt - You're correct sir! Most of today's projection setups are equipped with that feature, great point! I guess the bottom line here is that a DLP will long outlive a plasma or LCD. The cost to refurbish a worn out plasma/LCD is not worth the money (50% or greater in repair cost vs cost of a new one).
Many people I work with in designing projects are saying that the cost of plasma and LCD's will likely fall through the floor after the first of the year. Sony has already discontinued it's consumer grade plasma's earlier this year.
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Stack
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 09:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have the 61" Samsung DLP. Best tv on the market for the price.

stack
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Reepicheep
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 11:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

While we are off the topic... : )

Somebody else was asking me questions about this stuff today and I was having a heck of a time sorting it out.

They saw a plasma EDTV that was a lot cheaper then the HDTV. But when I look up EDTV, all I see are resolutions that I thought NTSC was supposed to be all along. So is EDTV just a "nice" way to say "normal SVHS but on a big pretty display"?

On a $1000 plasma TV, it looked like EDTV was $1000 while comparable HDTV was $1300.

I recommended they drop the extra $300 and get the real HDTV (as much for future compatibility reasons as anything else).

But the consumer asking me was not a audio/video phile, and won't be dropping a boatload of $$ on other parts of their system.

I just want to make sure I did not steer them wrong...
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Henrik
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 11:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

AFAIR LCD screens *do not* suffer from burn-in. Also, just to play devil's advocate, I believe both LCD and Plasma screens have a pretty decent life span - 20-30,000 hours for plasma and 30-60,000 hours for LCD ;)

http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/plasmatv/plasma tv-lifespan.html

http://www.cheap-plasma-tv.com/disadvantages-of-pl asma-tv.htm

http://www.dtvcity.com/lcdtv/lcdtvresources.html

http://www.flattvpeople.com/tutorials/lcd-vs-plasm a.asp

But back on the DLP topic; would it be worth it to go with the newer 3-chip version to minimize rainbow effect?

Henrik
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Spinzealot
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 12:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

4 to 5 years is about the average for a heavily used plasma. it's slightly longer with LCD. My comparisons are made strictly in large scale commercial applications that use this gear extensively. In the projects that we've used LCD's in we have experienced burn in. it's not nearly as noticeable as a plasma though.

Moving forward to today's residential video products. Projectors, in particular DLP projectors are gaining ground in the home by leaps and bounds due to the manufacturing costs coming down because of maturity of product and demand. Honestly if I had the right room for it I would go with a projector but that's just me.

It really all comes down to personal preference. Plasmas and LCD's do have their advantages. They can be put anywhere which is a big disadvantage against projection TV's. The image quality has certainly come a long way on them as well. I just prefer DLP over others. As far as the rainbow effect is concerned. The 3 chip DLP that TI is now producing is awesome! But it's at a price. The Samsung I have does not have a 3 chip processor and the picture quality is awesome, I have no complaints what so ever.
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Greenlantern
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 12:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

In the projects that we've used LCD's in we have experienced burn in


Actually I believe the term for LCD's would be "Pixel Memory".

I am currently running a Samsung crt (most inexpensive type of 1080i sets on the market) and have to always be mindful of burn in, I too will probably be moving up to DLP in the foreseeable future(Yes dear I know we just bought this set a year ago...).

Did just get Fios tv installed,......



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Ted
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 01:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Lcd's dont suffer from burn-in. plasma's & lcds will last 60,000 to 80,000 hours. Whats that, about 12 years for your avg. viewer?

Before then, we'll be looking to buy a good holligraphic laser Hd with fusion/ flux capacitor power
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Doerman
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 01:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This is all over my head. But it reminds me of my favorite commercial running right now with Jessica Simpson for Dish network.
where she says something like...
---HD TV in 1080i. I totally don't know what that is, but I want it.
I'm in the "I totally don't know what that is" category, and happy about it..

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Nutsnbolt
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 03:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Plus, my 61" DLP only weighs 89 lbs. Imagine that. This TV is frickin huge, and is 1/2 the depth of a regular projection tv. Plus, if you buy Sceniums, they USUALLY come with the stand for it to match. All inclusive, and the stand is a corner stand that can be used as a regular one, also.

On another side note, RCA customer service... TOP NOTCH!! Every time I've called ( I used to run a furniture/electonics store ) I always spoke to a HUMAN, and they asked how old the TV was, and they never wanted proof. EVER. I had a TV that was 18 mos old and had a defect in it. They STILL Stood by it. They give you 3 different repair shops numbers to come look at your stuff. All paid by RCA. Nice.

The lamps were on back order for the last gen of DLP's but, if you bought a newer gen of the Sceniums they have the upgraded bulb and I hear don't have the issues they had before.

Plus, when the TV gets too hot, before it blows the bulb, it shuts off, resets and runs cooler at a dimmer tone for a few minutes and then you're back to good. I tell you I love my Scenium.

Mark
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Ferret_bueller
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 10:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Reepicheep I recommended they drop the extra $300 and get the real HDTV

I totally agree. EDTV (Enhanced Definition)is pretty much getting obsolete is only marginally better then regular SDTV. If the customer is willing to spend grand on a tv its not really that much more to get true HDTV.

(Message edited by ferret_bueller on December 16, 2006)
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Kdan
Posted on Saturday, December 16, 2006 - 01:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My Girlfriend let me borrow her 19 inch Sony so she has something to watch when she comes over. I heard that the bigger your TV, the bigger your butt. Any truth to that?
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Reepicheep
Posted on Saturday, December 16, 2006 - 09:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks Ferret!
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Just_ziptab
Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 11:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If you wanted a really BIG TV, you could have bought the really WIDE SCREEN Jumbotron out of the Iowa State stadium. I think it sold for 10 grand on eBay(you remove and haul away)...........

(Message edited by just_ziptab on December 19, 2006)
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