| Author | Message | ||
     Barker |
See this Tread for the more of the story. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/406 2/241620.html?1164047227 4/22/05- SACRAMENTO, CA- A dangerous new scam, directed at Ebay customers, has emerged. If you think you're not vulnerable, you may want to think again. The new "second chance offer" scam works like this. A person puts a item on Ebay, it gets, say, 20 bids. It finally sells, and the buyer and seller are happy as clams. Meanwhile, this thief emails the underbidders. Maybe one, two, who knows? They claim that the winner decided he didn't want the item (which does happen from time to time). They also say that, since you are the underbidder, you are given first right to purchase it as a "second chance offer". The underbidder thinks how lucky they are, sends a check to this sleazebag, then waits for the item to be sent to them. Unbeknownst to them, this person never had any intention of sending this victim anything. His only intention is to cash their check. A friend of mine was recently a victim of this scam and it cost him over $3000. Then, shortly after hearing about my friends unfortunate experience, American Bottle Auctions sold a Corn for the World on Ebay and the third underbidder sent me this message-- "Someone sent me a second chance offer on this item, Corn for the World . I was the 3rd highest bidder, the email they gave me is (email address)... just thought you might want to know." We've left out the true email address and we've forwarded it to Ebay. They quickly responded and said that indeed it's a problem. Here's their response in regard to the "second chance offers": The message your bidder received is obviously fraudulent and is not a part of eBay's second chance offer program. A real second chance offer would have offered a "Buy It Now" link so the buyer could buy the item directly on the eBay site and be able to see his/her User ID as the winner. They also pointed out that we could report these rip-offs by sending a message to the company that manages their servers. In other words, if their email address is dirtbag@wherever.com, you send it to abuse@wherever.com and explain what happened. They can suspend their accounts or report them to authorities. What about my friend who lost over three grand? He's reported it to the FBI in the town where he sent the check. He also has forwarded a copy of the check, front and back, and it has the signature of the cheat who cashed it. They are following up on it and are making motions like they're going to make a little visit to the address obtained through the bank and phone records. He's also so pissed, he's going to drive halfway across the country to confront him, or at least try. No one can take away the fact that sometimes we fall in love with a bottle, don't get it, and may fall into the "second chance" trap. It's not legitimate and the people doing it, when they get caught, which they will be, are going to jail. It's a federal offense and just as bad as sticking a gun in someone's face and stealing their car and/or money. As for the two offenders described above, you may be hearing a knock on your door soon... and it ain't gonna be Publisher's Clearinghouse. | ||
| Barker |
Here is my conversation with the scammer so far. Start reading emails from the bottom to the top. From: Jack Alex <jackalex123@yahoo.com> To: Matt Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 12:12:21 PM Subject: Re: eBay Second Chance offer Item : 190049889824 no thank you!!! teh deal is in eBay Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:44:31 AM Subject: Re: eBay Second Chance offer Item : 190049889824I am still very interested. I don’t have to see the bike in person. I just need to see close clear shots of the damage to the primary and oil cooler. 1. Is the primary damaged or did the shift linkage just break off? 2. I would like to see close pix of the where the shifter bolt attaches to the primary. 3. Is it stuck in gear? When I have wrecked firebolt like that they get stuck in gear. 4. Dose it crank up? 5.I would like to see more pix of the oil cooler. 6. Any thing not included that is pictured? You mentioned the front faring is on an other bike please explain. 7. Does it leak any fluids? thanx. ~Matt Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:04:44 AM Subject: Re: eBay Second Chance offer Item : 190049889824 We do not seem to be on the same page. I need some clarification. I have a last chance offer for $600 not $1500. My last bid was $600. I don’t mind using Square Trade. I have the cash and am ready to pick it myself today. No need for shipping unless you really want to pay for that. I want to see the bike before I buy it. I am in Nashville, and I could be in Columbia short time to see/finish the deal/pick-up the bike. If every thing is what I am expecting I can find some internet access in Columbia and complete the deal ASAP. For me the next step is to see the bike. What do I need to do see the bike? Please send me address where I can see/inspect the bike and title. Thanks, Matt ----- Original Message ---- From: Jack Alex <jackalex123@yahoo.com> To: Matt Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 9:29:13 AM Subject: Re: eBay Second Chance offer Item : 190049889824 Hi, Thanks for your fast reply , I want to let you know that the winner of my auction didn't respond to my emails after winning the auction so you have the opportunity to purchase this item at your bid price ( US$ 1,500.00 ) .If you want to purchase the item i want to tell you that the deal will go strictly according to ebay's rules and policy regarding to this second chance offer and In order to start the process this i will need your userID, name and address so i can start and register the transaction under the ebay and Square Trade surveillance without any other problems. I'm asking you those details cause this transaction is under the eBay and Square Trade surveillance and protection and i will not do it with out eBay and Square Trade protection.So if you are agree with my please let me know the details i asked. As soon as I have them I'll start the official procedure, and ebay and Square Trade will notify you about this. You'll also receive important guidelines + instructions from them (please go through them exactly). I don't usually pay for shipping but since this is a second chance offer i will support all the shipping and insurance taxes, i hope to hear from you soon. Best Regards Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 9:01:41 AM Subject: Re: eBay Second Chance offer Item : 190049889824 Thank you or your offer. I am still interested in this bike. I can drive down and pick it up, no need for shipping. I got two emails for the second chance offer. Is your offer 600 or 1500? The bike is in Columbia TN? I'm in Nashville. Is there any way I can come down and look @ the bike. Today? Please email me your address ASAP so I can come down and see the bike before I make my decision. Let me know what time would be good to meet you I am free after 11am. Thank you, Matt ----- Original Message ---- From: Jack Alex <jackalex123@yahoo.com> To: matt Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 8:05:45 AM Subject: eBay Second Chance offer Item : 190049889824 Sir, I started the eBay Second Chance Offer because the wining bidder was unable to purchase the item, due to fake and funny bidders and you are next in line, so this offer lets you buy the product at the last bid you had on my auction. US$ 1,500.00 Check it here: Item Number: 190049889824 If you are interested in making a secure deal via eBay's safest transaction, I will wait your email back so we can make the deal asap. ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: eBay <secondchanceoffer@ebay.com> To: matt Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 2:43:42 AM Subject: eBay Second Chance Offer for Item (190049889824) Buell : Firebolt Second Chance Offer - Buy the Item You Recently Bid On eBay sent this message on behalf of an eBay member. Responses sent using email will go to the eBay member directly and will include your email address. Second Chance Offer Item: 190049889824 This message was sent after the listing closed. Good news! The following eBay item on which you placed a bid for US$ 600.00 on 11-11-2006 02:50:57 AM PHT is now available for purchase: Your price: US$ 600.00 Offer end date: Offer end date: 5 business day Message from seller: The buyer did not come through I am offering for 2nd chance instead of relisting. Thanks! Second Chance Offer The seller, is making this Second Chance Offer because the high bidder was either unable to complete the transaction or the seller has a duplicate item for sale. The selling of this item through Second Chance Offer is in compliance with eBay policy; you will be able to exchange Feedback with the seller and will be eligible for all eBay services associated with a transaction, such as fraud protection. Act Now - This Offer Expires Soon To take advantage of this opportunity, please act quickly. This offer expires Offer end date: 5 business day. You may purchase this item by clicking the "Buy It Now" button in this email or on the following link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item =190049889824&sspagename=ADME:B:SCO:US:1 To ask the seller a question before completing this purchase, please follow the link above and click the "Ask Seller A Question". To learn more about Second Chance Offer, please visit: http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/personal_offer.htm l Don't let this item get away Review your purchase and commit to buy Marketplace Safety Tip *Protect your eBay account - eBay will not ask you for sensitive personal information (such as your password, credit card, bank account numbers, personal information in an email. *Protect yourself from spoof (fake) emails and Web sites. Take the Spoof Tutorial to learn about eBay Toolbar with Account Guard, which warns you when you are on a known spoof site. *This is only legitimate Second Chance Offer so you can buy with confidence! Thank you, eBay Details for item number: 190049889824 Item title: Buell : Firebolt Item URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item =190049889824&sspagename=ADME:B:SCO:US:1 End date: Offer end date: 5 business day. ...Do not reply to this e-mail address, to commit to buy the item use Buy It Now feature Is this email inappropriate? Does it violate eBay policy? Help protect the Community by reporting it. Contact Customer Support If you have an additional question/concern E-mail Us at Customer Support. Learn how you can protect yourself from spoof (fake) emails at: http://pages.ebay.com/education/spooftutorial | ||
| Barker |
Response from original seller. Item: Buell : Firebolt (190053340826) This message was sent while the listing was active. ******** is the seller. Absolutely not, but it does sound like a good deal though, Please report to spoof@ebay.com | ||
| Barker |
Now for the fun!!!!! I will try to buy the bike(not) Read these emails bottom to top. It a great deal a honda buell XB9R with 4 carbs and a radiator! From: Jack Alex <jackalex123@yahoo.com> To: Matt Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 1:34:33 PM Subject: Re: ok lets do square trade/ebay Hello I original body in Honda And the Honda hi has 4 carburetors Thank you !!! Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 1:20:33 PM Subject: Re: ok lets do square trade/ebay Thanx for being so prompt! I hope to get this wrapped up soon. Just want to make sure about the radiator  Just two more questions. Is that the original body work from Honda? Does still have all 4 carburetors? If not how many of the 4. Thanx. ----- Original Message ---- From: Jack Alex <jackalex123@yahoo.com> To: Matt Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 1:16:09 PM Subject: Re: ok lets do square trade/ebay Is the radiator still in Bike Ok I will answer your questions, but I need you to answers my questions they are not deal breakers I just want to know what parts I need to order for the bike. I want to get it here fast an get up and running. I just need to call my local deal to order the parts. The less I have to replace the better. Just yes or no answers. Is the radiator still on the bike? Is that the original body work from Honda? Does still have all 4 carburetors? If not how many of the 4. The info you requested: eBay User Id:You should have that in your bid history Phone number: My cell is getting repaired can I give my girlfriends # Item number#: Uh, It your listing you should have the item number LOL!! Talk to you later! Matt ----- Original Message ---- From: Jack Alex <jackalex123@yahoo.com> To: Matt Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 12:47:23 PM Subject: Re: ok lets do square trade/ebay Hello Sir.. Ok is not problem.. but first you send me like this: To be able to complete the transaction I need all your details: full address and name: eBay User Id:........... Phone number:......... Item number#:........ As soon as I receive this info from you I will start this transaction through eBay. The deal whit you only through eBay Square Trades .... Yes i want to make the transaction through eBaySquare Trades I need your full name and address for start the transaction. Ebay Square Trades will send you an invoice with all the details do you need for complete this deal Thanks and i will wait your mail for ustart the transaction Description Item Specifics - Motorcycles 2003 Buell : Firebolt Buell Firebolt XB9R 03 Buell XB9R Firebolt sold as salvage Year: 2003 Miles: 4700 Engine Size (cc): 984 Condition: Used Title: Salvage Exterior: White Type: Sport Bike | ||
| Diablobrian |
Contact ebay directly if you have any concerns about any auction. No one else EVER needs your name, address, and user ID in advance to do anything with ebay. They are collecting more info to scam others with, so you'd have someone angry banging on your door looking for who scammed them. If they won't let you look at a major item like a bike before payment, and you are close to them it smells like a scam. Especially if they say something like they will pay shipping on a bike that you are buying for $600. Shipping costs around $200 give or take. Because it is a vehicle they are trying to commit fraud on the FBI may be interested. Unfortunately they tend to ignore these serial scam artists if they aren't commiting big dollar scams on every transaction. It's the big ones that make the news after all  | ||
| Cochise |
This is not a new thing. That is why people, myself included, start an auction as private. | ||
| No_rice |
i've been getting ALOT of those lately. some of them do even have a buy it now option. i emailed one guy that i had been bidding on his bike. told him that they were trying to scam off of his auction. his response was basically that i was getting scammed and he found it ammusing and that that's how it goes. what a doofus. | ||
| Chasespeed |
My g/f's father got caught up in this. The auction had a BIN, an auction number(which he wrote down and kept), everything. Went through al lthe channels, BUT, needless to say, he lost something like 10,600 dollars. He went to the FBI, and they said, not their problem, take it up with locals, and you know what, they arent helping either. Funny thing is, all this, he finally got in touch with someone AT ebay, through ebay, and they said, they cant find a record of his transaction, a record of the auction, the seller, ANYTHING! SO, other than copies of confirmations that went in his email, and such, there is no record of the transaction. As soon as I can, I will get the name/s of anything important... APPARENTLY, they are going to try to track the issue, etc... we'll see.... Chase | ||
| Firemanjim |
They are getting really sneaky. I was checking out an auction on a Supra twin turbo,it showed 2 bids on the main list of all Supras,but when I clicked on the individual item it showed none. When I tried to click back it was like the screen blinked at me and for a split second I saw the eBay ad with bids and then the other ad with no bids. When I looked further I noticed the url address was not a real eBay ad anymore. This guy had linked a fake ad right on to the eBay one. If I had not been clicking back and forth I never would have noticed. Pretty slick and it did not want to let me go back to the eBay ad,had to hit back button several times. I never saw one like this before. (Message edited by firemanjim on November 25, 2006) | ||
| Cochise |
Always hover the pointer over the link. On your computer screen below the web page and above the task bar, there are some words that will appear when you put your pointer on the link, something like http:// then the web page. If it says http://www.ebay... it is from ebay, if it lists an i.p. address, THEN www.ebay... it is a fake and you should stay away from it. Sorry if what I said makes no sense, I am not good with computer lingo. | ||
| Diablobrian |
is "pages.ebay.com" authentic? | ||
| Cochise |
is "pages.ebay.com" authentic? I am not sure, but sometimes when you hover over something the link shows up on the bottom of the screen it will say, *DON'T SIGN IN ON IT. THIS IS A REFERENCE:* "http://210.212.141.146:84/bulib/eBayISAPI;dllSignIn&co_partnerId=2/pUserId=&siteid=0&pageTy pe=&pa1=&i1=&bshowgif=&UsingSSL=&ru/ If you would have clicked on it (emailed link)you would come up with the actual sign-in page, but when you put in your actual username and password WHAM, they got your login, password, bank account, because the scammer can read what you typed in. |
