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Paintballtommy
Posted on Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 07:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey guys,

I just wanted to post that i finished my msf course finally it was a great course but there were some things i was very disapointed about. id say a good 70 percent of the people in my class should not have passed but did. not to be mean but things like repeated stalls, locking up the back tire on braking exercises, braking through turns/innability to make u-turns should not qualify you to graduate. besides that when i overhear the instructor telling nearly every other person that they should not ride on the street at all untill theyve had more practice, it makes me feel uncomfortable that they are actually graduating and will be on the road soon. Anyways im moving out soon and selling one of my cars and buying an xb ill post up later guys.

Tom
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Tramp
Posted on Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 07:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

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Paw
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2006 - 06:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I see you live in CA. They pass just about everyone its all about numbers. When i taught in PA i would counsel anyone out of the class and let them know not to give up and come back and try again. I would never GIVE a license to someone i felt could not ride properly.
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Jlnance
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2006 - 07:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

When I took Riders Edge, the instructors emphasized that one of the most important things you could learn in the class was that perhaps motorcycling was not for you. They said it was a lot better to learn that in the class than on the freeway. If you were having trouble, they would work with you during the breaks to try and teach you the material. But if you couldn't get it, they weren't going to let you through.

That being said, I think the most important thing I learned in the class was that I wasn't ready to ride in real traffic. I did very well on test to. Three days of training just isn't enough experience to ride through down town. I took the class again a year later as a refresher. I remember the instructor telling us all that after it was over.
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Redefine420
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2006 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The course I took here in NJ, 3 out of 15 were sent home early for their own saftey and another 5 didn't pass. Overall I would say the instructors made the right call. They even approached me after it was over and asked if I would be interested in instructing(after the proper training of course). Congrats on passing, remembering what I was taught has saved me from injury several times.
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Spiderman
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2006 - 11:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

When i was in charge of Rider Ed I had a lot of pissed off cats cause they didn't pass.

I was very firm on the instructors that no one "walks" thru my classes.

Any one that failed, but showed promise got a recomendation form a intstuctor and if his/hers test scores were in the right area I would let them re-take for free.
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Kdan
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2006 - 12:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It doesn't surprise me really, considering how many people in this country get their automotive licenses and can't drive a car. I think it's more a permanent permit to practice on the road, akin to giving a chimpanzee a handgun.
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Vaneo1
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2006 - 02:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

think about it...These are schools, some place to get your feet wet. Sadly enough, the streets also serve as a training ground. I dont expect anyone to be an expert at the conclusion of an MSF course. Just because someone gets a college degree doesnt mean theyre ready to lead. Its just means another entry level position somewhere. Same as M1 license, of course they still need pratice. Dont worry about them, worry about you, and how your gonna steer clear of them as obstacles and the rest of the cages who pose a danger to us on the road.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2006 - 02:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

BRC = Basic Riders Coarse.... You will be taught basic riding skills, its up to you, (not the Instructor/Rider Coach) to learn.
The Coaches can only facilitate, and if you can do the box, swerve, turn and brake within the guidelines set by the MSF, not the coaches, you get your endorsement. Now go practice, practice, practice.....
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G234146
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2006 - 03:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I took the MSF course in CA and it was packed! It's better that all of us got some basic training in the course rather than on the street.
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Paintballtommy
Posted on Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 12:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

thats true. i really think that more practice is in order for people besides just taking a basic safety class with that said i think that more emphasis should be made in drivers license classes on looking out for motorcycles. i think that would make people more careful and aware of whos out there.
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Tx05xb12s
Posted on Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 01:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I took the Beginners Riders Edge course in Houston. The instruction I received was invaluable and gave me a lot more confidence on my brand new Buell than if I had just ventured out on my own to learn the hard way.

Nevertheless, I spent the first couple of months riding on deserted back roads before I even thought about riding it to work or in heavy traffic.

I would recommend the same to any new rider. These courses are designed to give your training some direction. It is up to you to get out there and learn in the safest way you can. Unfortunately, this means using the public roads as a training ground, just like you did when you were 16 and got your cager license.
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Retired_cop
Posted on Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 01:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

As an MSF instructor in PA I can only repeat what was said above.....Basic Riders Course! You get the basic beginners skills that you need to take and practice, practice, practice before you go out and play in the traffic.
As a retired LEO I saw too many people who went to the "here is your license, give me your brain" driving school. NUFF SAID!

Glad you took the course, please ride safe and keep the wheels on the bottom.
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