| Author | Message | ||
     Court |
>>>it would have been nice for this to have been discussed rather than announced. This has been discussed, folks hired to administered the new website based functions and it's a huge leap breaking out of the "we'll just make B.R.A.G. like H.O.G. and hope for the best" It does save Buell $$ and the good news is those dollars remain with Buell and are NOW available to be reallocated to the expanding owner areas of the Buell website. I'm much less inclined to declare this "the end for Buell". . . I think it's, more than anything, a sign that Buell is beginning to spread it's corporate wings and assume it's unique identity. | ||
| 5liter |
I was wondering where my renewel notice was. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I think it's great. The whole "have to be a member of the club to come in here" is the exact opposite of everything good I have experienced with Buells and Buell people. | ||
| Naustin |
Its a step in the right direction. I like it. They just need to back it up by making buell.com live up to the task they are assigning it. I think I alredy have a profile over there too.  | ||
| Bake |
FUELLŪ magazine will continue, and be available at no cost to Buell owners who reside in the United States. I guess mailing them to Canada would cause undue financial hardship. | ||
| Cyclonemick |
Poor Newfie!!!! He Usually get's the shaft on promotions. | ||
| Daves |
Yep, the whole "you have to have the right brand of bike to ride with us" always bugged me(I never followed that rule anyway and welcomed all riders). I always thought that "HOG" have to be a member of the "club" mentality was counter productive to growing the brand, but what do I know. Free Fuell mag=good No membership dues=Good Upgraded Buell.com=Good Still get free food and stuff at the races=Good Now if they would offer the hospitality to riders of other brands at the races that would be even better! No biggie with me, we'll still continue our group the same way we have been doing. Good for Buell! | ||
| Loki |
Court, If you are reading this..... Just a something to pass up the ladder. The "MY BIKES" section of the Profile needs some attention. Does not recognize us poor S1 owners. As well as those pesky hand built bikes from earlier. | ||
| Loki |
I see this as a positive step for all. I hope to be able to still get my hands on the "Touring Handbook". | ||
| Al_lighton |
I like it. I'm the now former director of what was the Southern California BRAG group, and the keeper of the mail list for the unaffiliated Southern California Area Buellers (SCAB) group. They were supposedly separate, but essentially they were one in the same. Many SCAB members were Buell Riders but not BRAG members, and the whole BRAG thing just added some awkwardness to the whole thing anyway. I think it is good. It is closer to the Ducati model (i.e., if you have a Ducati key, you're in), and I think that has worked pretty good for them. As long as Buell continues to provide for Buellers at events, regardless of club labels, this is a positive step. Al | ||
| CJXB |
They just need to back it up by making buell.com live up to the task they are assigning it. I agree, hopefully they will, I like that you don't have to be in a "club", you're just simply a Buell rider !!  | ||
| Kdan |
Can we still call Black_Sunshine, "President Sunshine"? Or will he be impeached? Or is it a coup?   | ||
| Pwnzor |
LOL Al, See you Sunday morning at Cook's Corner then, since I'm back in the "club"... I've never liked the structure of BRAG or HOG, and while it's everyone's right to belong to whatever they want, it's also my right to laugh inwardly at them for paying money in order to hang out with people they already know for the most part. Seems to contradict the whole idea of a club. I never charged anyone to get into my treehouse when I was a kid. Long live SCAB, a real club in it's truest sense. Is there a ride scheduled afterward or is Cook's the final destination? Brian wanted me to go to the races with him but I don't think I'll be able to go, I'm taking a short vacation starting Monday and I need to visit mom before I leave. | ||
| Court |
Passed on. I am hoping the first affirmative step is to get someone who is BUELL FLUENT in there to straighten things out. It looks like a morphed HD site that someone slapped the Buell names on the front of. It's a start. | ||
| Court |
Like I said . . . a little work to do. . . .
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| Barker |
That canned response is awful! I spent a whole afternoon calling people to get some bad links/images fixed on Buell.com When I finally got someone who could help me (e-commerce dept): Me:There are some bad links to downloadable wallpaper can you fix that? Her: Yes, which wallpaper? Me: Mostly the XB12R, images you click one the image and a blast wallpaper comes up, instead of the XB12R image. Her: Sir, the XB12R is also known as a blast. Me: No XB12R is also know as a firebolt. The P-3 is also known as the blast. Her: I will make a note of that, thank you for calling. Me: Ok, bye. Me: (after I hung up) Bad links are the least of there problems.  (Message edited by barker on November 03, 2006) | ||
| Naustin |
Unbelieveable!   | ||
| Rex |
This could be pretty good. we are all very active on badweb, atc, ASBN, and sacborg...I am sure Buell would like to have the traffic of us going to the buell site more often. who knows what they may set up...could be updated daily....we may have our own message board there, etc. like here, and the other online buell enthusiasts websites.... might be good....lets see. so now you can sell your old brag items as collectors on ebay....thanks, REX | ||
| Court |
If you have that problem again, let me know. The last time this happened (a non-Buell dealer was listed as having demos scheduled for the weekend) I "circumvented the system" and got it taken care of within an hour. The system is not good now. It's getting better. I understand the "canned response" but it's like an insult coming from an "on the leading edge of technology" firm. | ||
| Court |
>>>I am sure Buell would like to have the traffic of us going to the buell site more often. who knows what they may set up...could be updated daily.... The reason behind part of this is to start moving Buell owners to the Buell website more frequently....be expecting more changes and some fun ones. Don't hold your breath for an owners chat area.
Just my guess. But be on the look out for some really neat stuff. | ||
| 98s3sns |
Its not so good for this Canadian enthusiast.Paid BRAG in full and now cant register as an owner and no longer able to receive FUELL. I hope that Ill still be allowed in at hospitality events. Shawn   | ||
| Steve_mackay |
But, I dont like that our established clubs are basically out on out asses. Yup... That part does suck. | ||
| S1eric |
Just a something to pass up the ladder. The "MY BIKES" section of the Profile needs some attention. Does not recognize us poor S1 owners. As well as those pesky hand built bikes from earlier I see us S1 owners as ------- Well------- TROUBLE ! The original hooligans. C`mon you know it. doing wheelies every where we go. Burn outs here and there. always concerned about performance instead of HD trinkets. And hey Buell knows it too. remember the promotion. Were loud were ugly and were not going away. Well were still here. We wern`t included because we are expected to CRASH the party anyway. Pun intended.} S1Eric | ||
| Court |
>>>I hope that Ill still be allowed in at hospitality events. My bet is you'd be warmly welcomed and that the Canadian issues are solvable. Let's see if we can't sort it out, Eh? After the night I spent in the hold of a Canadian Merchant Marine freighter in the Port of San Diego in 1973, I feel a deep and abiding kinships with the Canadians. Remind me to tell you the story......if you get in the tent. | ||
| Jlnance |
This has been discussed I'm sure someone discussed it. Since M2nc, the president of our BRAG chapter, hasn't mentioned it, I'm betting it wasn't discussed with him. Here is my point. There are a lot of people who really like Buell and are willing to do a lot of free work to promote the brand and make the ownership experience better for everyone. You're one such person obviously. The more people like this, the better off we are, and the better off Buell is. People are willing to do this work, again for free, because they feel like they are part of a community. Maintaining that sense of community requires communication. As a company, Buell is very good about listening to its' customers. But it isn't so good about talking with it's customers. (I believe we have had this discussion before with respect to the sidestand recall ) In this specific case, I know that Aydenxb9, M2nc, Ulywife, 1313, & Southern_marine put a lot of work into starting our BRAG chapter. At the same time we all realize that what really holds us together is badweb and not BRAG. If someone had contacted our officers and asked their opinions on this proposed change, I am sure they all would have thought it was great. But to just be informed that all the work you did is going to be thrown away is a bit insulting. | ||
| Daves |
Nobody called me either That doesn't surprise me I "was" the director of a BRAG group for about 7 years in 2 different states. | ||
| Lost_in_ohio |
So Jlnance keep it going...... If you have an active chapter just drop Brag affiliation. I know most Wing/beer places have meeting room that you can use for no charge. Or heck just have the meeting after a ride. | ||
| Steve_mackay |
Buell is very good about listening to its' customers. But it isn't so good about talking with it's customers.  It is a bit of an insult to those of us that *DID* have strong BRAG groups. I'd really like to know what Buell owners & dealers they discussed this with... Because they didn't seem to discuss it with the 2 closest dealerships and BRAG groups to Buell. That being Appleton, their Brag group, Hals, and Brew City BRAG. I just can't see many dealer sponsored Buell groups any longer. The insurance thing will be the biggest reason. Brew City has a meeting on Thursday, which was going to just discuss next years rides, and our Christmas party. But now it will be mostly about the fate of the club, and the involvement from Hals. The whole thing doesn't completely surprise me however. | ||
| Court |
Don't cancel your dinner plans waiting on me to argue with you. I'm pretty well on record as having said precisely what you just did for the last 9 years. If there is any comfort, it's not for lack of desire on Buells part. I was contacted by the head of HD's communications group once about writing a monthly column for the Buell website. I thought it was a marvy idea. I've seen a lot of places, had some pretty darned interesting experiences, got a few tales to tell and met a few darned interesting folks on Buells in the last 20 years. The legal beagles, even though I'd offered to submit columns for vetting 60 days in advance, would have no part of it. I was thinking more along the lines of interesting tales (the folks headed to Argentina now, Brat headed to take a Uly though Southeast Asia, Badwebbers driving the Space Shuttle around and so forth) and this would have been the perfect mouth piece to communicate something like the B.R.A.G.-no-more news. I think it's a good thing, but communicating it, via the dealer network, is a poor choice of conduits. Absent someone like Dave Stueve sharing it here, I'd suggest we watch and see how long it is before we are contacted by our local dealers with the news. Fact is, some folks would be waiting in line at Homecoming next year waving a card for a group that didn't exist. Don't get me wrong, I think the idea is grand and I think it's progress. B.R.A.G. (remind me to tell you the story someday) kind of occurred by accident. Don't let anyone try to convince it was planned as any kind of an owners group. hey...there's your first interesting story..some of you recall what B.R.A.G. originally stood for. I'm excited, optimistic and looking forward to the events the next year and hoping that Buell hears the rumble, listens and acts. Court | ||
| Khollister |
I think most of this is positive news. The part I think is unfortunate is cutting the clubs loose from the dealers. Buell should have continued to encourage dealers to sponsor clubs and offer some financial incentive to dealers to do so. |
