| Author | Message | ||
     T9r |
Lucky.... don't try this with your ride. http://www.dpccars.com/car-movies/09-29-06page-Close-call-with-a-motorcycle.htm | ||
| Bdabuell |
whew...lucky boy...i bet he soiled a perfectly good pair of pants... | ||
| Jimduncan69 |
i almost soiled mine watching it... | ||
| Betzy |
5 words....Take it to the track! TITTT saves lives. | ||
| Hammer71 |
I would bet that the rider thinks his "skill" kept him from going down. Training and as Betzy said.. Tracktime | ||
| Diablobrian |
Yikes, serious pucker factor. Sadly, it happened for no good reason, and like Hammer says they probably think "mad skillz" saved them not luck so they probably won't see any reason to slow down on public roads. I mean really, it wasn't even that hard or technical of a turn. I think they were too focused on the camera and not enough on the road ahead. I WISH this was a record of a wake-up call. | ||
| Teddagreek |
If you watch very close he steers toward the car.. You will see he had the corner.. He's not on track to go Hot around the corner} He gets Target Fixation once the car pops in the picture... | ||
| Glitch |
Close call with a motorcycle Close call on a motorcycle. I can't criticize as much as I'd like, because I've done close to the same thing, going wide that is. He gets Target Fixation Yes he does, you can see it plain as day. "mad skillz" Indeed! | ||
| Blake |
Excellent video. I hope everyone on BadWeB sees it and takes heed. That is THE typical scenario that kills so many motorcyclists who are not comfortable leaning their bike to anywhere near to its limit, riding WAY over one's head on a dangerous road. That rider is one very lucky person to be alive. | ||
| Blake |
It's best to consider that crossing the centerline on any road is certain death. | ||
| Diablobrian |
That includes hanging your head and body over the line while your tires are still on the proper side of the line. If any part of you is over the line then you have crossed the line. I've had many "discussions" about this with other riders. I'm always amazed by the nonchalance I encounter regarding hanging over the line. I think it's part of the "accidents happen to other people" mindset. I could be wrong though. | ||
| Bdabuell |
no "mad skillz" there...maybe mad luck to be able to avoid that many cars in that short a distance | ||
| Rocketman |
It's best to consider that crossing the centerline on any road is certain death. That's ridiculous. The safest way around a corner on two wheels might mean crossing the centerline. Rocket | ||
| Glitch |
The safest way around a corner on two wheels would be to stay in your lane, and not to go so fast you need any more lane than you have already. | ||
| Jackbequick |
Rocket, You can't be serious! Does the code of the "street racer" say that the best riders are those that usually get away with crossing the line? Even if they occasionally get badly hurt or die in head on collisions? Jack | ||
| Reepicheep |
Crossing the centerline is the fastest line.... THROUGH *** SOMEBODY *** ELSES *** TURN. (And I know Rocket was just trolling, but I have been waiting to use that line for a while  ) | ||
| Rocketman |
Is this a law thing you guys fear, or are you really that much in fear of risking your life when crossing a double yellow line? Either way, best you don't do it then. Rocket | ||
| Cowboy |
Rocket I hate to call you on this as you and I have been known to get in to a pissing match. but you should be careful what you post on this board as a lot of young riders may take you serious. If you beleave it is good to make a common practice of crossing yellow line is ok. you need to go out in the kitchen and get a large glass of prune juice. I have been rideing for way over 50 yrs. I do NOT recomend crosing the line.( and please no fighting) | ||
| Matty |
That peckerwood is on Forest Highway here in SoCal, just past the 7 mile mark where you make a left off Angeles Crest at the ranger station and head down to Hidden Springs. What a ••••.... That's exactly why it's darn near impossible to ride up there without getting harrassed by the CHP. That rider is lucky and nothing else. Great riders who weren't so lucky in that same stretch of road: Johnny Yoon - Thanksgiving morning 2001 Went wide into the front of a tow truck. Roadside CPR while the paramedics were in transit. DOA-blunt force trauma. Frankie - Crossed double yellow. September 2004  Gerkki - Crossed double yellow, slid into guard rail. March 2003  This is down on the crest just after the first passing lane, just to show we aren't the only boneheads up there.  I hope that rider knows just how lucky he is! I cringe when I see some of our guys posting videos of them crossing the yellows on the Dragon, etc. Ride smart guys! | ||
| Reepicheep |
Geesh... what's the point of seeking out some great little piece of twisty asphalt, then crossing the center line trying to straighten it out? How stupid is that! Keep it in your lane... and in fact, in your half of your lane. Then if you do find yourself in a "wow. that never happened before." moment, you have a lot more chance to sort it out before you run out of road. No matter how good a rider you are, you never know when some other idiot (and you won't find me using that term often) will be coming around a corner over *their* head because they rode 300 miles to get to Deals Gap just so they can try and make it straighter. At that point, you not only have to ride your bike, you have to ride theirs. | ||
| Glitch |
I guess I fell for the trollness. Happens all the time. If you can go fast and stay in you lane, you have skill. If you can't you shouldn't go fast. | ||
| Rocketman |
Anyone's safe to cross the double line but only a fool would cross it when there's an immediate hazard. There are miles and miles of safe places to cross double lines in the UK, and I found plenty in Colorado too. Some of you need to quit preaching like you're gods gift to motorcycling. If I didn't ride safe I wouldn't be here now some 33 years after first riding a two wheeler. Haven't you guys got some knitting to do? Rocket | ||
| Oldog |
I don't know about the target fixation, Did you catch the black mark on the bikes path as he crosses the center line? it started just before he drifted onto the center stripes and he got off of it between the first and second cages, I wonder of there was some thing slick on the surface? BTW hats off the the cager who moved over and gave him just a little room. Rocket please re-read Cowboys post when your ego is in the OFF position, I too second his comment, 30 + years of riding, 1 bad get off and 10 days in hospital, Crossing the center line is potentialy fatal 2 inches closer and that rider would be dead.... from the porch the Oldog. | ||
| Aesquire |
"The safest way around a corner on two wheels might mean crossing the centerline." "Crossing the center line is potentialy fatal" Both statements are true. Rocket's is true under certain conditions. Hitting a deer that bounces out in front of you, because you won't cross an arbitrary line of paint, is stupid. Using both lanes of a 2 lane twisty road is stupid AND rude. The lines are made up, you know. Riding with your head in the path of an oncoming fender is real, no matter how many lines are painted. " Anyone's safe to cross the double line but only a fool would cross it when there's an immediate hazard." Yes. ( And Rocket & I don't even agree on which way to turn handlebars in a turn ) Oh, yeah, that rider in the video made some sequential bad decisions & is alive by pure luck & the actions of the oncoming cars. He gets credit only for not hitting the guard rail. ( and I think THAT was luck too. ) | ||
| Glitch |
Yeah go ahead and cross. There's nothing coming up the other way. I love Wolf Pen, part of the challenge ain't how fast you can get to the other side (anyone can do that by just going straight down), but how smooth can ya go without using any brakes, and staying in your lane. Great fun!  | ||
| Blake |
I admit to intentionally passing slow traffic on a double yellow. The police in Deadwood, SD know this well.  My point is that if one does not view the double yellow in cornering situations as a barrier to avoid at virtually all costs, one will soon become lackadaisical about crossing that line and eventually it is likely to result in tragedy. The idea is to maintain a mentality that avoids a lackadaisical drift towards tragedy. It is not much different from avoiding running off the berm of the road; we only choose to do so when absolutely necessary to avoid a worse fate, we always endeavor to avoid running off the berm. By all means, in an emergency/panic situation take whateve action is most effective to avoid catastrophe, including crossing the centerline. All other times? Endeavor to stay in your own lane. Death is a horrible penalty to pay for an overblown ego. If you want to race, please take it to the track. | ||
| Rocketman |
Overblown ego's and racing on the road aside, thanks for the diplomatic approach Blake! Crossing the double yellow \ white line. I can easily argue that doing so, when the view allows and the safety to danger aspect ratio is known, calculated and clearly offers safe passage, one is not using the best line possible if they are not using all of the available tarmac. Argue all you want. We can all be a victim even with a zillion years seat time. Best no one crosses that line unless their ego is in check and their brain is totally engaged. Hope you're happy now? Rocket (live from the slippery side of the road) | ||
| Oldog |
Argue all you want. We can all be a victim even with a zillion years seat time. Best no one crosses that line unless their ego is in check and their brain is totally engaged Yes .... } | ||
| Reepicheep |
If I cross the yellow for something other then a deliberate pass, I treat it like a "virtual crash". I stop at the next convenient location, give a good hard think about what just happened, why it happened, and what I need to change (both strategic and tactical) to avoid it happening again. Thats just me. Others can treat it how they want. And I am not looking for the fastest line. Heck, I am not even looking for the safest line. I am looking for the funnest line, and that is typically trying to stay right on one half of my lane and carve a perfect and clean turn that is smooth as silk and perfectly controlled. I'll usually choose whichever half of my lane to carve through based on which gives me best visibilty through that particular turn, and stick with that half through the entire turn. Now back to my knitting |
