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Fullpower
Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 02:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My son is working on a project for his physics class, with potential commercial applications.
the working name for the process is Boolean Reactance Anti Kinetic Energy System, acronym B.R.A.K.E.S
the intended function is to slow down or stop a vehicle without using surface friction, ie, non-wheel braking.
a rough synopsis of the mechanism: sequential time variant pulsed frequency modulated electromagnetic field induced conjugate phase delayed reversal of latent atmospheric brownian motion.
what we wish to create is a temporary local cessation of random brownian motion in a gas, in essence a fixed lattice structure maintained in a small but uncontained gas. the application of such a crystalline -structured air buffer with a specific density of around 5.5 will create a very high aerodynamic drag on a moving vehicle. we wish to maintain a crystalline air biscuit with a volume of 2 cubic meters at the leading edge of a typical motor vehicle, resulting in a negative acceleration on the order of 20 meters per second per second.
A stronger field, resulting in graduated specific density peaks around 25 could actually be used as collision protection, sort of an atmospheric air bag.
Any one wishing to assist us with the calculations, or the circuitry necessary to set up the oscillations please chime in.
Thanks. Dean





(Message edited by fullpower on September 14, 2006)
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Glitch
Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 02:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

crystalline air biscuit
MMM tastey!
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Whodom
Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 03:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

crystalline air biscuit

As Dave Barry would say, that would make a really excellent name for a rock and roll band.
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Gentleman_jon
Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 03:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Snowed in already, Dean?
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Eboos
Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 04:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Cracker Barrel has great crystalline air biscuits and gravy. If you order ahead, I think that you will be able to get 2 meter sized ones.
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 04:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Heavy trucks already use hydraulic & electromagnetic retarders, & hybrid vehicles use the energy produced to recharge batteries.

There's not a significant mass gain for the braking effect, will this system be light enough to be viable?

Is the retarding effect going to be controllable? I can see aerodynamic problems by suddenly slapping a flat parachute on the front of a vehicle at high speed.

If you seriously want funding, find a military application for it, such as a portable force shield or something.

Then you can sell off the rights to civilian applications & make enough boodle to keep you in Buells for ever.
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Djkaplan
Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 05:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You're doing what with the what-what?
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Captpete
Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 05:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Your son's physics class...

That would be at MIT, right?
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 05:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You're gonna be carted off to a town called Eureka pretty soon.
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Fullpower
Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 07:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Calling the quantity of atmosphere in question crystalline may be misleading, in actuality the state is closer to a coherent ordering, or a geometric "lining up" of the gaseous air molecules.neither gaseous nor solid in property, it is almost like a matter laser, or a stationary beam of air.
We are using off the shelf technology here, just a novel approach to the wave induced conjugate matrix density gradient with respect to time. as the local field effect decays we get more or less a small puff of air for our efforts.
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Bake
Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 07:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That certainly straightens it out!
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Buellerthanyou
Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 08:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Whodom said:

"'crystalline air biscuit'

As Dave Barry would say, that would make a really excellent name for a rock and roll band."

Ha, ha! Some friends of mine in college DID have a band called "Air Biscuit". I don't think any of them were engineers, though...
...more of a flatulence reference, I believe! Here's where they used to play a lot:
http://www.geocities.com/mainstreetsaloon/welcome.html

HellBuelly J
"We wanna be free to ride our bikes and not get hassled by the man!"
--Peter Fond-a-buells
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 08:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You left out entropy. And there seems to be an overload of it in the project.
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Fullpower
Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 09:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

the resultant lattice structure describes a local net REDUCTION in entropy on the order of 10 to the 23rd power
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 09:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don't even know your son but I see one of two things happening.

He gets 2nd place in the science fair and we're all going to be pissed.

or


He wins the GRAND PRIZE and is conscribed to a life of moderating a Buell Owners Bulletin Board and living in Texas.

Your son has a tough choice....tell him to throw the contest!
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1313
Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 11:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Air biscuit?!?!

I much prefer rubber biscuits!!!

1313
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 02:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

LOL I agree, THROW THE CONTEST! LOL
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Gowindward
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 10:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It sounds the the poor kid was born with "The Knack" It may be to late for treatment seeing how he is already entering science fairs. Tell his mother it will be okay...Texas is not that bad a place to live.
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Road_thing
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 10:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Air biscuits in Texas will, inevitably, end up covered in cream gravy.

rt
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 12:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Is that before, after, or with, the chicken-fried steak & homefries?
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Dano_12s
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 02:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sounds like somebody is drinking too much "Moose Juice" up there in AK.
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Road_thing
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 03:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Mr. G, since you're, um, not from Texas, I'll let you in on a Texas secret:

Chicken-fried steak is traditionally (and properly) served with mashed potatoes!

But the answer to your question is "yes."

rt
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Bomber
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 03:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"That's right, You're not from Texas
Texas wants you anyway"
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Court
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 03:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Words written by another riding buddy. . : )


quote:

(Lyle Lovett/Willis Alan Ramsey/Alison Rogers)
You say you're not from Texas
Man as if I couldn't tell
You think you pull your boots on right
And wear your hat so well
So pardon me my laughter
'Cause I sure do understand
Even Moses got excited
When he saw the promised land
That's right you're not from Texas
That's right you're not from Texas
That's right you're not from Texas
But Texas wants you anyway
That's right you're not from Texas
That's right you're not from Texas
That's right you're not from Texas
But Texas wants you anyway
See I was born and raised in Texas
And it means so much to me
Though my girl comes from down in Georgia
We were up in Tennessee
And as we were driving down the highway
She asked me baby what's so great
How come you're always going on
About your Lone Star State
I said that's right you're not from Texas
That's right you're not from Texas
That's right you're not from Texas
But Texas wants you anyway
That's right you're not from Texas
That's right you're not from Texas
That's right you're not from Texas
But Texas wants you anyway
Oh the road it looked so lovely
As she stood there on the side
And she grew smaller in my mirror
As I watched her wave goodbye
Those boys from Carolina
They sure enough could sing
But when they came on down to Texas
We all showed them how to swing
Now David's on the radio
And old Champ's still on the guitar
And Uncle Walt he's home with Heidi
Hiding in her loving arms
That's right you're not from Texas
That's right you're not from Texas
That's right you're not from Texas
But Texas wants you anyway
That's right you're not from Texas
That's right you're not from Texas
That's right you're not from Texas
But Texas wants you anyway
They're OK in Oklahoma
Up in Arkansas they're fair
But those old folks in Missouri
They don't even know you're there
But at a dance hall down in Texas
That's the finest place to be
The women they all look beautiful
And the men will buy your beer for free
And they'll say that's right you're not from Texas
That's right you're not from Texas
That's right you're not from Texas
But Texas wants you anyway
That's right you're not from Texas
That's right you're not from Texas
That's right you're not from Texas
But Texas wants you anyway
So won't you let me help you Mister
Just pull your hat down the way I do
And buy your pants just a little longer
And next time somebody laughs at you
You just tell 'em you're not from Texas
That's right you're not from Texas
That's right you're not from Texas
But Texas wants you anyway
That's right you're not from Texas
That's right you're not from Texas
That's right you're not from Texas
But Texas wants you anyway


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Fullpower
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 04:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Some years ago my mother returned from a long trip somewhere, I asked if she was glad to be home. There was an extended silence....... She blurts "It's minus 15 degrees, the wind is blowing 20, it's still dark, and there is 2 feet of snow on top of the 4 inches of ice on my driveway."
within the month she had sold her condo in Anchorage, Alaska and was building a house in Texas, about an hour from Austin.
A rumor of good pie will send her riding across 3 counties to get lunch. sometimes she says "y'all"
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M1combat
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 04:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I was born and raised in Alaska... I've been to and through Texas.

I think I'll stay living right here in Arizona and visit Alaska when the mood strikes me : ).
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Road_thing
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 05:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'll refrain from quoting Ray Wylie Hubbard on the subject in this forum...

rt

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Road_thing
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 05:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

M1 is obviously of one mind with General Phil Sheridan.

He's the one who said "If I owned Hell and Texas I would rent out Texas and live in Hell."

Misguided gent, but a fine general...

rt
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Easy_rider
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 10:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The women they all look beautiful
And the men will buy your beer for free


Wonder which happened first.
Then again, after free beer I may not care!
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Swampy
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 11:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Mr Grumpy,
I live in a town called Eureka.
When I arrive at home I joyfully exclaim "Eureka!, we made it"


Court,
Texas is the promised land, I just got back from Alabama, and it appears the promised land has annexed some land East of the Mississippi River.

Now back to the original post,
electro magnetic retarders are used in heavy equipment, I understand they can generate alot of energy. Is there a technology available for what you want to do? Not having a physical connection with what you want to slow down? Is an electro magnet used to suspend, and create locomotion and braking for the high speed rail in Japan?
Electromagnatism, the invisable energy. Stored? released?
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Fullpower
Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 03:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The latest iteration of output signal transducer is (a) harmonically co-phased asynchronous counterrotating assymetrically opposed supercooled electromagnetically commutated array of 3 folded toroidal polyhelical solenoids in a vacuum with magnetic suspension bearings.
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 03:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Only problem with electromagnetic retarders is a weight penalty as the whole thing has to be carried, whereas the mag/lev system carries only part, as the rest is built into the track.

I'm going to have to make a another trip to

Texas soon just to go visit everybody so they can buy me free beer.

I had a Chicken-fried steak last time I was there which was '94 I think, & it still starts me drooling just thinking of it.

Also ate the biggest steak I'd ever seen, & the truck driver at the next table told the waitress that he didn't want one like mine & to be sure & bring him a proper one, his was hanging over the edges of the plate!
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