| Author | Message | ||
     Pwnzor |
one more thing, just to point out that Tcskeptic obviously has trouble reading: I said the poll tax ended before our lifetimes began. He rebutted with the poll tax continued well into the 20th century (See the 24th amendment ratified in 1964 Since he was born in 1974 and I in 1972, you can see that I was indeed correct. The victim mentality just won't let him see the truth. In case anyone missed it. It won't do any good to argue or explain any further. He has DECIDED who I am, MADE UP HIS MIND. Good for him. Tcskeptic, please don't misread this as me being mad or upset with you or anything remotely like that. If I ever meet you, the beverage of your choice is my treat. Cheers. | ||
| CJXB |
This is a stupid thread for sure, but at least discussing racism took the attention away from pwnzor !! I answered every single argument, You started a thread "supposedly" to take a poll to see if you've been offending folks. Then when some have offered a yes you've offended them, you've simply argued why in reality (your reality) you hadn't really offended them!! Good grief !!  | ||
| Lowflyer |
"Murdering someone because of hatred for their race... yeah, that would be racism." I'll agree to disagree. I would call that murder; not racism. Likewise, when I have eaten, I don't call it hunger.  | ||
| Pwnzor |
It's my experience that a lot of people are actually offending themselves by not correctly ascertaining the meaning of plainly spoken words. People tend to jump to conclusions, often because they had already done so in advance of any discourse. I blame the public school system which is inundated by ex-hippies and baby boomers who are the foundation of the sense of entitlement and apathy exhibited by our young people. Opinion based on observation. | ||
| The_new_guy |
I'm offended by the fact that so many people have taken offense to statements in this thread. I'm so offended that I am going to hit my browsers back button. It seems like there are many good posts about Buell motorcycles there. I guess what I'm trying to say that if this bothers you, you have the power to leave. It's only the internet. | ||
| CJXB |
It's my experience that a lot of people are actually offending themselves by not correctly ascertaining the meaning of plainly spoken words. So it wasn’t your intent to actually find out if you had offended someone, but to actually show those that did feel offended the error of their ways and to point out their own stupidity in their reasoning !?? Kind of a bait and switch, not really a sincere desire to know if you have offended anyone ?? By the way, just an FYI I posted earlier you’ve never offended me and you haven’t, but it does seem at this point you only started this thread as a way to be in the Limelight so to speak and get on your podium and again re-iterate the points you made originally to those you’ve offended !! Pretty good, not only did you offend some to begin with but you got the chance to do so again !! | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Lilly-white? In England this generally means innocent or uncontaminated, I've never heard it used as a racial slur, & I've been around a few years too. There's a chain of shops in the UK called Lillywhites. If you ask the whereabouts of a person & the reply is "He's off rinsing his lillywhites" They're not hosing down a bunch of persons of caucasian origin, they've just gone to wash their hands. Get a grip, it's only words, the English language is one one of the richest in the world. If there's a word you don't like don't use it, but don't tell me how to speak my mother tongue. Grow up & stop behaving like a merchant banker. | ||
| Notpurples2 |
It's not the words that are racist it's the person using them. | ||
| Damnut |
I like vanilla ice cream......... if that helps any  | ||
| Lowflyer |
"It's not the words that are racist it's the person using them." Hey, I know...what if I teach a parrot to say the 'n' word? That wouldn't be racist since the bird is not a person and the word is not racist.  | ||
| Lowflyer |
"I like vanilla ice cream......... if that helps any" Okay, now I'm offended. | ||
| Jayvee |
As a merchant banker, I'm offended... | ||
| Tcskeptic |
Pwnzor- You asked for feedback, I gave it. We then started a discussion. I still don't think I understand your central point. If it is that "Slavery and oppression of African Americans ended long ago, therefore the word n***** should no longer be offensive." I think you should take the time to explain why. I'm not arguing for reparations, I'm not arguing for any special affirmative action programs. I am simply arguing that it should be clear to a reasonable human that that word has a unique and horrible place in our history, and as such it should be treated with care. Not only that, the use of that word to demean and dehumanize has never died out, it is still in active and vicious use today. I do not think that the word "lily white" could offend a white person to the same degree that n***** would be offensive to those who have been demeaned by its use. How that is a victocrat argument, I really don't understand. Also, please argue honestly. W/r/t the poll tax, what you actually said was: 2) Yes I am familiar with the Poll Tax. I'm sure you realize that, like slavery, it ended long before my or your lifetimes began. Here's something you may have overlooked, it discriminated uniformly against ALL poor people, not just blacks. To me the phrase "like slavery, it ended long before my or your lifetimes began" implies something that ended in a similar timeframe to slavery (late 19th century say), not a mere ten years before I was born. When you rephrase it as "I said the poll tax ended before our lifetimes began" you remove an important part of your point. To ridicule me as being unable to read in response just makes you look dumb. Furthermore, you did not respond at all to my point about how targeted the poll tax was to specifically disenfranchise recently freed slaves as opposed to poor whites. As my original point was that the poll tax continued systematic oppression well after the "Emancipation Proclamation" I don't think you have refuted my point at all. So, finally, I ask this, my original point (at least the one we have ostensibly been arguing about) was that comparing the offensive nature of the n-word and the term "lily-white" was not a reasonable comparison, in order to wrap that up could you: 1) Please explain to me clearly why the word n***** should not be especially offensive anymore. 2) If that is not your point, please explain to me why the term "lily-white" should be considered equally offensive and treated with similar care. 3) If point 2 is what you have been trying to make please explain how your desire for this extra sensitivity does not make you a "victocrat." 4) If none of the above, then what the hell point are you actually trying to make?} | ||
| Pwnzor |
*groan* Tcskeptic, You are obsessed with things that did not occur in your lifetime. You continually want to blame the living for the transgressions of the dead. I'll not play into your little distraction game, you've already hijacked and redirected this thread enough. Cjxb, If you read back carefully, you will see that I have conceded several points throughout this thread. I asked for the input, yes. But when people throw bullshit on the fire it tends to stink so I get my shoes dirty and stomp it out. Simple as that. As Lowflyer pointed out several times, no racist remark is more or less so than another. It is the intent of the bearer of such remarks to belittle another based on arbitrary standards they set themselves. It has nothing to do with color, it's about being different. I've spoken as much as I'm going to on this topic, being as I've answered everything thrown at me. The ignorant will continue to be so, it is not my intent or desire to change them. | ||
| Blake |
Lowflyer, Murder is the crime; racism is the motive for it. The degree of racism which compels one to murder is worse than that which compels another to at most tell a racist joke. Just like in your example where "eating" is the action, while "hunger" is the motive compelling it. When hunger is so severe that one is compelled to murder and canabalize the victim, the degree of that hunger is likely much much worse than that which compels one to eat stale crackers. Surely you can see that. Besides, I agree with the Grumpy one on the whole "lilly white" thing. "What are you, an anti-dentite?"  Tcskeptic, Wonderful debating, truly excellent. I applaude your logic and thorough disection of the issue. Really, very impressive.  (Message edited by Blake on September 05, 2006) | ||
| Blake |
Pwznor, Bad form amigo. You be pwned.  I honestly don't see any obsession or blaming going here by TC. Buck up compadre. It's just friendly discussion. Isn't it usually best to stick to the actual issues rather than sink to ad hominem attack? Wouldn't you agree? | ||
| Cochise |
TCSKEPTIC, I'd say it is called the 'ol Bait and Switch. | ||
| Damnut |
but Rocky Road does have unique taste and texture.............. hmmmm interesting  | ||
| Lowflyer |
Nice try, Blake, but I was ready for this.... Yes, I am an anti-dentite. And damn proud of it.  | ||
| Lowflyer |
I think some folks are confusing 'offensive' with 'racist.' My point with the lily-white thing was just to get some recognition for the fact that it can be considered a racist comment in the right context. Given said context, it is no less racist than calling someone the 'n' word. Granted, the 'n' word requires no context so long as it is uttered by anyone other than a black person. That does not qualify it as more racist. It may be more universally offensive, but not more racist. I never said 'lily-white' was universally offensive or that anyone should be offended by it. I was not even stating my opinion. Just facts. That said racism and hunger are not really comparable. Racism is a belief. Hunger is a physical sensation. Finally, to acknowledge varying intensities of racism is to condone, at least in effect, some seemingly diminished level of it. i.e. "Yeah, that's racist, but it's only a little racist." | ||
| Tcskeptic |
"Racism is a belief. Hunger is a physical sensation." Why, on that note, I believe I'm hungry... Did someone mention bait? Mmmmm.... Sardines. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Blake, you sound silly using words you still don't understand despite my explaining them to you. Good bye. | ||
| Blake |
Must be poor splainin' then cause I'm a quick study. Don't look now, you been pwned again. | ||
| Jon |
I admit I am a racist. My wife and I went to the Laguna Seca Moto GP races last year. Racist. Blake is a Huuuuge racist. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Jon, does this mean that Rossi is one of the racinest racing racists ever ever ever ever? Or am I being silly?  | ||
| Lowflyer |
Now you guys are making fun of me. Ooooohh my delicate feelings...  Everybody knows Rossi is a racionado and perhaps a raceologist; not a racist. | ||
| CJXB |
I asked for the input, yes. I gave you my input !! | ||
| Brucelee |
Well, P, you started the thread. I guess you just don't like some of the answers. | ||
| Jayvee |
I used to have a black best friend and room-mate, and often his friends came over and called each other n***** all the time, but if I say it, am I a racist? Are his friends all racist? I don't think calling them that would have shown that I'm a racist, but is certainly would be at the least, an affectation. I didn't say it, because I AM a white-bread white-boy. But still, I think he and his friends are racist, most people I know are, black, brown, yellow, most everybody I know. I know I am. Maybe this is more complicated than it should be, but it still is. I had couple of different black girl-friends too, and it does raise lots of issues, whether it should or not, it just does. | ||
| Lowflyer |
Using a racist term does not "magically" make one a racist. Sort of like using a medical term does not make one a physician. |
