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12r
Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 08:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

MotoGP is hotting up this weekend in Malaysia with the first of three races in three weeks. Only 25 pts separates Hayden and Pedrosa with Rossi a further 13 pts adrift in third.

Rossi rates Sepang and Phillip Island amongst his favourites but Hayden finished 2nd in Australia last year and Pedrosa has won at both circuits as well as at the third venue, Motegi. Capirossi and the Bridgstone tyres always go well at Sepang and Motegi, and after the previous round at Brno Ducati will be looking to score maximum points once again at the expense of the top three protagonists.

I'm looking foward to some killer racing and I hope that there are no mechanical failures or that anyone gets skittled off. It would be great to see another straight race with these guys.

Meantime here's a picture of Hayden and Pedrosa; and no, Dani isn't sitting down



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Dago
Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 08:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well, at least Nicky knows he'll always be able to kick Pedrosa's a$$ off the track.
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Rubberdown
Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 08:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That must be some weight advantage DP has.
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12r
Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 08:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Around 50-60 lbs; a big difference at this level of racing.
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Macbuell
Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 09:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

During one MotoGP broadcast they mentioned that Pedrosa weighed about less than 110 lbs. That dude is tiny. Don't they have regulations regarding weight for the bikes? But you can throw someone on the bike that weighs about two-thirds what the rest of the competition weighs. I wonder if they will regulate total bike plus rider weight one day to try to level that out a bit. Or do they already?

(Message edited by MACBuell on September 07, 2006)
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12r
Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 09:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This year, MotoGP 4- and 5-cylinder bikes with non-oval pistons must weigh at least 148 kg but next year 5-cylinder bikes must weigh at least 155.5 kg. There's nothing in the regs about minimum rider weight although Pedrosa's perceived advantage is a contentious issue.

The 125 cc class has a minimum weight limit of 136 kg including the rider

(Message edited by 12r on September 07, 2006)
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 12:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Pedrosa has trouble at the more physically demanding tracks, so his small size isn't always an advantage. He'll probably bulk up and become stronger as he gets older though.

Stoner is also small, right about the same size as Pedrosa.

I'm not sure I'd say that Birdgestone always goes well at those circuits. They did well last year for sure with Ducati. Rumor is that Michelin is prepared better for the Asia-Pacific rounds this year.

Pedrosa has won everywhere, on 250cc machines though, no?

That is very interesting about the 125cc machine+rider weight limit.
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Jscott
Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 01:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Here's an interesting article about Ilmore's upcomming MotoGP effort. Read Mario Ilien's answer to their first question. I remember a sidebar in Cycle World or MotorCyclist stating the same thing years ago, but for the life of me I can't track down the issue. Interesting stuff.


http://www.roadracerx.com/article.php?article_id=117
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 02:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Interesting. Reality hits home...


quote:

Do you have a sponsor?
ES: No. If we want to be successful, we need to find the money to run this on a very high level. You cannot do it with $5 million. You need plus-or-minus 20 million. We’re talking to some potential sponsors, and because it’s a European project with some proven people behind it, it looks like some sponsors are quite interested.


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Blake
Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 02:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This one is interesting too...

quote:

How long do you think it will take you to catch up, technically, with the leaders?
ES: On the chassis side, I think we proved that we are already there. I don’t think we need to catch up. We need to go through testing and build up the correct setup. On the engine side, it may take a bit longer to have the proper setting, but we’re aiming, with a three-year plan, to be finally at the very top of the list. Step by step, we have to improve the package, and I think that is our big advantage, because we can react more or less overnight.


Frankly, I think he's being a little over-optimistic on the chassis issue. How many times have the KR211V team changed chassis this year, 5 times?
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Ceejay
Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 02:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

guess it depends on what you're comparing it too
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Jscott
Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 02:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"What made you want to get into MotoGP?
MI: We’ve been looking at it for many years, because we had once an interest from Harley-Davidson."
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 10:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yeah, that was interesting too. Too bad it never transpired. We might have had two or three MotoGP races in North America by now if it had. A couple here and one in Canada maybe?
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12r
Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 04:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Update: Capirossi wins free practice

1 Loris Capirossi ITA Ducati Marlboro Team 2min 1.711 secs
2 Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda Team 2min 2.021 secs
3 Kenny Roberts Jr USA Team Roberts 2min 2.563 secs
4 John Hopkins USA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 2min 2.710 secs
5 Casey Stoner AUS Honda LCR 2min 2.847 secs *
6 Makoto Tamada JPN Konica Minolta Honda 2min 2.918 secs
7 Valentino Rossi ITA Camel Yamaha Team 2min 2.970 secs
8 Sete Gibernau SPA Ducati Marlboro Team 2min 2.981 secs
9 Marco Melandri ITA Fortuna Honda 2min 3.049 secs *
10 Shinya Nakano JPN Kawasaki Racing Team 2min 3.100 secs
11 Nicky Hayden USA Repsol Honda Team 2min 3.174 secs *
12 Colin Edwards USA Camel Yamaha Team 2min 3.355 secs
13 Randy de Puniet FRA Kawasaki Racing Team 2min 3.418 secs
14 Chris Vermeulen AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 2min 3.432 secs
15 Carlos Checa SPA Tech 3 Yamaha 2min 3.706 secs
16 Toni Elias SPA Fortuna Honda 2min 3.908 secs
17 Alex Hofmann GER Pramac d'Antin MotoGP 2min 4.706 secs
18 James Ellison GBR Tech 3 Yamaha 2min 5.403 secs
19 Jose Luis Cardoso SPA Pramac d'Antin MotoGP 2min 5.958 secs
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Rocketman
Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 06:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Blake, to quote from Performance Bike

Frames and swingarm are machined from solid aluminium by the team. Having the capability and versatility to make their own chassis allows Team KR to constantly evolve the bike. They're on to frame version seven already this season.

I understand this to mean it is an advantage to be able to cut a chassis on a CNC machine in a matter of hours as a bonus. Changing the chassis in Team KR's case is no more involved than any other form of chassis tuning and shouldn't be seen as a disadvantage. For example, they have two ways of running the rear shock. There's the Honda Pro Link set-up they use, or their own configuration of rear shock mount. The Honda system takes 45 minutes for them to change the shock. KR's system takes minutes.

I imagine Ilmor will be on the money with Eskil Suter behind the chassis design \ development. He's been around GP racing for many years.

Rocket
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Jaimec
Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 08:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Pedrosa was injured in practice and may miss the next TWO races: http://tinyurl.com/j3kuj
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99buellx1
Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 08:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

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Glitch
Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 08:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

a picture truly is worth a thousand words
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Eboos
Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 09:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So one handed indian airs have made their way to road racing. Motocross influences are really starting to show.
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12r
Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 10:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Maybe another quarter turn on the rebound, Dani
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Macbuell
Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 10:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

WOW, that looks like a nasty highside. That had to hurt.
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Jimidan
Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 01:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"How long do you think it will take you to catch up, technically, with the leaders?
ES: On the chassis side, I think we proved that we are already there. I don’t think we need to catch up. We need to go through testing and build up the correct setup."

Maybe we could get these guys to take a quick look at the XBRR...maybe they could offer a few suggestions on how to make it transition a bit better ; ).

jimidan
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Jimidan
Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 01:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I guess Dani wasn't faster than Nicky on THAT lap...huh? Well, that's racing.

jimidan
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Blake
Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 05:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Just seeing that photo makes my bones ache. That's a tough break for the guy, he was up there still in contention for the championship. The racing won't be as interesting with him out, that's for sure.
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Rocketman
Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 05:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I agree Blake. It also means that there's more points to be had for Hayden or Rossi without Pedrosa coming between either and taking points off them.

Rocket
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99buellx1
Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 05:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Nicky needs to find a way to pick up some speed, or it's going to be more points closing the championship gap.

I'm hoping that he gets it figured out on race day.


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Bdabuell
Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 06:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

just watched that video...holy cr@p that looks like it hurt a lot

motogp.com says he's doubtful for Sunday...bummer
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Jaimec
Posted on Saturday, September 09, 2006 - 11:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

He participated in today's practice (before the rains fell) but needed help getting on the bike. I guess he feels the chance of getting SOME points is better than getting none at all. Rossi's on the pole, Hayden is in the #2 slot followed by Capirossi.
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99buellx1
Posted on Saturday, September 09, 2006 - 04:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Nicky was able to find the speed that he had been looking for all weekend. Hopefully he can get a good start and/or hang with Rossi.
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Heads
Posted on Saturday, September 09, 2006 - 08:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Blake.
Stoner 58kg 5'7
pedrosa 51kg 5'2
hayden 69kg 5'8
Stoner would seem to be far from close to the same size as Pedrosa

cheers jas
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Blake
Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 01:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

For sure, Stoner is a giant compared to Pedrosa. LOL. Thanks for the correction on that. : )
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Jaimec
Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 07:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

VALENTINO ROSSI!! What an awesome race! And can you believe that Pedrosa still managed a podium finish with a broken toe and a hunk of meat missing from his knee?? He's made a believer out of me; too bad he races for the Great Satan.

Capirossi is another short guy, but unlike Pedrosa, he's built like a bull. Maybe after a few seasons Pedrosa will bulk up too (but then again, with the upcoming 800cc bikes, maybe he won't have to).
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Cyclonemick
Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 12:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I was stoked that Hayden came in 4th and is still on top. GO USA!!!
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Rubberdown
Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 12:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Whew! It's gonna be a tight race. Go NH!
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Heads
Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 07:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Great racing,best season in a lot of years and i think next year will be better
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Eboos
Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 08:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

As much as I want to see Hayden win the championship this year, I also would like to see Capirossi win one.
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