| Author | Message | ||
     Barker |
Just wanted to share this. Went in today to my euro bike dealer, asking to see the Aprilla SXV 5.5 motard, yall know the v-twin dirtbike/motard with 70hp and less that 300lbs. Well long story short he said I should buy the Ducati Hyper motard. Because it's going to have 100hp (at the crank, claimed HP) and only 395 lbs!!! He asked me "Now what would you do If you had a twin powered 100 hp @ sub 400 pounds and can turn on a dime?" I responded I got on that bike this morning and rode down here to ask about the SXV 5.5 Lets just say he did not understand my answer. I went on to tell him that the Buell 12R has 101hp v-twin @ 395 lbs and has a lower cg and better handling than that hyper-duc. And get this it has self adjusting valves. He responded with a "really, I have never looked at buells before." I said "Check out Buell.com. One day, they thought the world was flat, next day it wasn't, Imagine what you will learn today." Then I left. After I realized they had no SXV's in stock. (Message edited by barker on September 05, 2006) | ||
| Jaimec |
Isn't it rated 103bhp at the crank? 101bhp was the old "White Lightning" S1 as I recall (and the subsequent injected tuber models). | ||
| Fullpower |
You are off by about 70 pounds there on your Buell figures. Weight is 462 pounds, Horsepower is closer to 86 or so. They sent a RINGER to Motorcyclist for model evaluation, and their "Happy Dyno Guy" squeezed 92 very questionable horsepower off the back wheel of a supposedly stock XB12.... once. It's a great motorbike, but it doesnt make it any better by twisting the numbers. | ||
| 99buellx1 |
He's talking rated numbers, as was the sales guy. | ||
| M2nc |
FP - What vehicle has ever been rate BHP at the rear wheel? What got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning because I can not believe you didn't know this prior to your post. | ||
| Cochise |
Speaking of HP numbers. The 2000 Trans Am WS6 had the same horsepower at the rear wheel as the 2000 Corvette, but the Corvette was rated at @ 345 h.p. and the T.A> was rated at 320....Why? Corvette has to be the best. | ||
| Brineusaf |
Way to harness the force young padawan. Turn another... | ||
| Blake |
Great story Barker!  | ||
| Barker |
For all you haters, Here's a screen capture from buell's website for the XB12R specs. This is where I got my figures. I also saw some references to the blast? WTF?  | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
That is pretty odd there. Anyone here actually load up an XB with gas and oil and weigh it? I am pretty curious. | ||
| Fullpower |
XB12S weights 461.5 Pounds. The Manufacturer's claimed dry weight is 100% pure bull-out-product | ||
| Altima02 |
Cochise, the vette's tranny is in the rear. I have always wondered about the XB's weights, because different sources say different things. Anyone else weigh their bike? | ||
| Jayvee |
You know they even empty the air out of the tires, no oil in the crankcase, tranny, forks, probably even the shock. When they say "dry" they mean it. Not even any lube on the cables, or grease on the bearings. | ||
| Jimidan |
FP sez: "XB12S weights 461.5 Pounds. The Manufacturer's claimed dry weight is 100% pure bull-out-product." Where did you get your figures? Have you hated Buells all of your life, or has it been a rather recent occurrence? Are you what they call a "troll" on here? I cannot believe any reputable company would try and fudge the numbers by nearly 70 lbs. That would be unconscionable. They would never get away with it if they tried such a thing, that is for sure! jimidan | ||
| Ceejay |
That air can get pretty heavy!! | ||
| Smcnamara |
Jimidan Says: FP sez: "XB12S weights 461.5 Pounds. The Manufacturer's claimed dry weight is 100% pure bull-out-product." Where did you get your figures? Have you hated Buells all of your life, or has it been a rather recent occurrence? I took this to be a slam on manufacturers stated performance specs, not a slam on Buell, but of course I could be wrong. Much like the 21-billion RPM limit on the recent Yamaha R6, manufacturers seem to overstate their numbers on a regular basis for marketing purposes, while the real-world number often seem to be much different. A 70 lb. difference would be pretty huge, but the spec-sheet was purportedly from the XB12R, and the wet weight was given for the XB12S. These are not the same machine, so a difference in weight wouldn't be out of the question. I'm not sure, but I think 40 lbs. for fluids on an air-cooled bike wouldn't be out of the question (Fuel & Oil.) I know some people calculate wet weight with 1/2 tank of fuel where others use a full tank, so it's not always apples to apples. My apologies to Jimidan, and FYYFF to FP if it was actually a Buell slam/troll.  | ||
| Roadrailer |
http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/performancedata/ Where did you get your figures? Have you hated Buells all of your life, or has it been a rather recent occurrence? Are you what they call a "troll" on here? I cannot believe any reputable company would try and fudge the numbers by nearly 70 lbs. That would be unconscionable. They would never get away with it if they tried such a thing, that is for sure! jimidan What, a motorcycle company fudging performance and weight numbers? For shame. I'm sure it never happens.  (Message edited by roadrailer on September 08, 2006) | ||
| Moboy516 |
I really love my 9R. Most magazines say it weighs about 440 when "wet". Does anyone think that our Buells can out manuever or outcorner a motard? Especially one that weighs 100lbs less? I don't. | ||
| Damnut |
holy crap the sporty is pushing over 600 HP!!!!  | ||
| Fullpower |
jimidan, i wish to reference page 2.1 in the 2004 XB12 Lightning service manual, where it states the vehicle weight as 460 Pounds, wet. You wondered whether I was trolling, and secretly hated Buell? May I now reference your "life philosophy" stated as " live and let live" perhaps you woke up wrong side of the bed, or maybe your lady has been less than cordial of late? look to yourself my friend, the solution to your happiness lies within. | ||
| Jimidan |
FP sez: "jimidan, i wish to reference page 2.1 in the 2004 XB12 Lightning service manual, where it states the vehicle weight as 460 Pounds, wet. You wondered whether I was trolling, and secretly hated Buell? May I now reference your "life philosophy" stated as " live and let live" perhaps you woke up wrong side of the bed, or maybe your lady has been less than cordial of late? look to yourself my friend, the solution to your happiness lies within." Perhaps I waz just joshin' ya' and razzin' those who label those who post anything other than a "Go Buell" cheer on here as a "troll" or "Buell hater". I knew I shoulda added the smiley face, but I thought I was being so outrageous that it was obvious. Sorry, I should have winked. Live and let live! jimidan | ||
| Marty12s |
all you guys are trolls. GO BUELL!!! YAY BUELL!!! p.s. this is what part of the alphabet would look like if q and r were missing. p.p.s. don't get caught ridin' dirty | ||
| Fullpower |
OK thanks Jimi. I'm all better now. unrelated side note, there is a nother XB in town, got to go ride with a guy on a black firebolt on some twisted asphalt last night after work. a rare treat for me. mostly harley's around here. | ||
| Blake |
"those who label those who post anything other than a "Go Buell" cheer on here as a "troll" or "Buell hater". " That is a troll's bait if I ever saw it. Bad form amigo. I haven't posted a "Go Buell" cheer in days. By your definition I am seen here as "a troll or Buell hater." Exaggeration is the next closest thing to a lie. Yes the demonization of BadWeB is something that irritates me. | ||
| Daves |
Go Buell! | ||
| Court |
Ohmygosh . . . now we're vexed with a serial exaggerationist! Where will the madness end? | ||
| Blake |
Is it possible to exaggerate in parallel? The single mother stripping comment was not the least bit comedic to me. In fact, I find it horribly distasteful, ignorant, disrespectful of women especially single mothers, and just plain chauvinistic. | ||
| Ryker77 |
all I know is that my X1 is a heavy b1tch if it falls over from parking in the grass on a hill in the rain. All I could do to upright the bike by myself. | ||
| Ryker77 |
has anybody weighed a buell? | ||
| Court |
Turns out it is but the total exageration of the system becomes the sum of the reciprocal exageration ("one over") of each individual exageration thus giving the total exageration of E: 1 = 1 + 1 + 1 + ... E E1 E2 E3 Next question. . . |
