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     Vividlucidity |
guess everyone has figured out i'm new at this...anyway the info on oil and changing it was very helpful, so i've decided to tackle the drive question. i decide to use SYN3 in the engine. what should i consider for the primary and will someone tell me the procedure (buell blast-03)(i think i know which is the drain plug, but it's going to take 10 days to get the service manual and i actually have time this weekend). | ||
| Glitch |
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/20164/20164.html?1157106517 | ||
| Vividlucidity |
Awesome, found my way from that link to another with full details and pix. is anyone using Syn3 in the primary? | ||
| Pwnzor |
I have been using Syn 3 in the motor and the primary for 3 years, 27k miles. No leaks, no pinging, no problems. It gets my recommendation. | ||
| Brucelee |
The problem with Syn 3 is that we don't really know anything about it except what HD tells us. | ||
| Spiderman |
syn 3 is people!!!!! | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
NNNOOOO!!!!   | ||
| Cyclonemick |
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| Pwnzor |
"The problem with Syn 3 is that we don't really know anything about it except" for what everyone who uses it has told us, and that is it works just fine. What we do know about some other types of oil is that people have burned up their stators, among other things. And of course, the factory that built our bikes recommends it. Perish the thought that they, who built the bikes, might know what's best to put in the motor. Use what you like. See you in a million miles or so. | ||
| Brucelee |
No need to get so defensive. HD makes a ton of money on that oil. My guess is about $5 per qt minimum. That MIGHT influence their recomendation, you think? Questions- What is the API rating on the oil, JASO? We don't know. What is the technical data, we don't know. VI, HTST, Kinematic viscoity? We don't know. I did NOT say to use gear oil in the trans. I am not using gear oil. Not using Syn3 either. Cheap, overpriced Group 3 oil at a Group 5 oil price. As for you, use what you want, no one said otherwise. | ||
| Pwnzor |
No need to get so defensive.  I did NOT say to use gear oil in the trans.  How can you, in the same post, say we don't know anything about it, and then go on to say something like Cheap, overpriced Group 3 oil? I agree it's overpriced, but then so is the food I eat. I can afford it, it works, I swear by it, so I use it. I can recommend, based on my experience with the product, that others use it. I continue to use it because I have not seen or heard one negative thing about it. I'd rather spend $10 per quart of oil than $5000 on a new engine, but maybe that's just me. Now I'm being defensive because you attacked me. I'm not an oil expert, but others hereabouts definitely know more than you or I do, and I have found that in general, those people's recommendations mirror my own. 2 cents, take it for what it's worth. If you're worried about spending an extra $20 on an oil change then by all means, use the inexpensive oil. It's your $12,500 investment, do as you please. Now, before you reply, I'll save you the trouble of scrolling upward to read this: I have been using Syn 3 in the motor and the primary for 3 years, 27k miles. No leaks, no pinging, no problems. It gets my recommendation. You said we only know what HD tells us, but that's not true. You now know what HD and I say about it, and if you search the millions of oil threads you'll see many others saying the same thing so your statement that we know nothing is a bit off base. You could have just recommended your brand instead of denigrating the testimony of others. | ||
| Brucelee |
Again, I did not attack you. Go back and read my post. Syn 3 is reported to be a group 3 make believe synthetic oil made by Sunoco or Chevron. Neither of these companies make a real group 4 synthetic, so this is why I said that the Syn3 is rip off. Now, we are not sure about all of the above, as HD is not willing to reveal who makes the oil or what it is made of, just that it is "a synthetic oil." No specs, no rating, just trust us. HD is also not willing to say that you can extend the drain interval on the Syn 3, simply that it is better for your engine. So, more expensive as DINO but better for you. "Trust us!" So be it. If you want to use the mystery oil, fine by me. I am really posting for others who may want to apply a higher standard to the HD oil, given its price. I use Red Line as I state above. Red Line is pretty expensive, so clearly I don't use a "cheap oil." Nor would I advocate that others use a cheap oil. Red Line is a group 5 synthetic, not a fake syn like Syn 3. I use it because it is a rated oil, it is a real synthetic, it has unbeatable specs, and because many experts believe that it is the best oil out there and because used oil analysis confirms it. I am not negating your experience with Syn3 and if you look at my posts, there is not a single negative thing about YOU in them. So, again, don't be so defensive. If you choose to use this oil, it is fine by me. Others may take caution. (Message edited by brucelee on September 02, 2006) | ||
| Pwnzor |
Ok, "attack" was the wrong word to use, sorry about that, I don't think you were directing any comments at me personally. However, as you say, you know nothing about the oil, so why not stick to recommending your brand instead of conjecturing on your perceived shortcomings of the other brands unless you have personal knowledge. I wish someone with some actual technical knowledge would weigh in right about now, but I am guessing they are ignorning this thread due to the sheer volume of identical threads in the archives. Still having trouble with your statements, however. You claim to know nothing about it, that nobody does, and yet you call it "fake syn like Syn 3". You're grabbing at straws, in my opinion. I'm sure Red Line is a fine product. | ||
| Brineusaf |
I like the sny3... it is after all recommended. I like my owners/service manual... and I like my warranty. If for some unforseen reason my dealer wants to be a d*ck and not honor my warranty because of my not using specified oil than that is money down the drain. My opinion - Use what's recommended and avoid the guess work. | ||
| Brucelee |
Well, I may be grabbing at straws but that is because HD will not inform the public about "their" product. The info on the fake syn is conjecture, since HD will not shed any light. The sunoco connection has been reported but confirmed. So, all we have from HD on the Syn3 is "hey, its a fine product, we say so!" To me not very comforting but again, folks should use what they are comfortable with. Re: Your HD dealer denying a warranty claim, that is not going to hold up. HD has lost that claim many times before. | ||
| Bads1 |
Ok I have said this in the past. I was at P.O.T. (Primary officer training) back in 2003 when it was introduced. The training was in Milwaukee of coarse the area I live in. They talked of the SYN 3 and the question did arise from the audience on where it was made. The answer from HD tech people was (Citgo) makes it for us. | ||
| Pwnzor |
27k trouble free miles, what more can I say about this oil? | ||
| Brineusaf |
Your HD dealer denying a warranty claim, that is not going to hold up. HD has lost that claim many times before. Really?! I take it you've deal first hand with Buell Germany?? Buell may dictate one thing, but when it gets passed down a chain of command and onto another continent things get twisted. So before you try to say something you know nothing about I suggest you "rethink" it. Again, unless you have firsthand knowledge of this... and for proof I would accept a scanned invoice or statement from Deutsch Buell Service Department. To me not very comforting but again, folks should use what they are comfortable with. It may not be comforting to some, but folks shouldn't just settle for what they are comfy with, they should settle for what is manufacturer recommended. It's recommended for a reason. | ||
| Bads1 |
And to say that HD is making $5.00 a bottle?? I doubt I'll bet half of that. You don't make but a penny in most cases on gas these days a gallon. And Citgo is to what I understand owned by one man and the oil comes out of Venezuela | ||
| Pwnzor |
Yep, good old Hugo Chavez. | ||
| Brucelee |
"It's recommended for a reason" Yes, it this case it is the money HD makes. If the post about the oil being made by CITGO is accurate, I rest my case. IMHO | ||
| Brucelee |
"And to say that HD is making $5.00 a bottle?? I doubt I'll bet half of that. You don't make but a penny in most cases on gas these days a gallon. And Citgo is to what I understand owned by one man and the oil comes out of Venezuela" I can tell you that the margin on a so-called "synthetic oil" at nearly $9 per gallon is JUST a bit more than pennies. Chevron sells a DINO oil for $1.09 retail at COSTCO. What do you think it cost to make it? | ||
| Brucelee |
As near as I can tell, CITGO doesn't even offer a synthetic oil under its own name (at least it is not listed on their website.) If this is true, I wonder how their HD brand SYN3 can be worth $9 per qt? | ||
| Bads1 |
So your saying that HD is making more then Citgo the supplier?? | ||
| Brucelee |
I am saying that HD is selling an oil at a retail price equal to the best synthetic oil made on the planet (Red Line, Amsoil, Schaeffer, M1 ) and yet will not publish one bit of data to support that it is even a real synthetic motor oil. Nor, will it submit this super oil to any regular testing, ie API, JASO etc. I am saying that HD is selling an oil that appears to be made by a company that isn't even in the synthetic oil business. That is what I am saying. I am saying to feel free to put whatever you want in your own bike. I am saying that I would not put it in mine without more information that TRUST ME. BTW-these are the same guys who make those famous belts we all bitch about. | ||
| Brineusaf |
Maybe it has additives that others do not... I know if I have a rash I'm not going to be sleeping with a wool blanket... even though in truth I do find them comfy! I'd probably settle for something less comfy and more rational. What are you arguing anymore? That the majority of HD products are expensive? Or just anything anymore? Just settle with the fact that the manual and obviously someone with higher input than you deems it fit for use in the Buells, more so than other oils. Like Pwnzor said - see you in a million miles. I don't have a problem investing the 30$ each oil change to protect my investment and ensure the state of my transportation as well as the state of my warranty. We have seen cases before as mentioned above about problems occuring when using other than recommended oils... kinda speaks for itself. | ||
| Brineusaf |
BTW-these are the same guys who make those famous belts we all bitch about. Same guys who make steady improvement... I have yet have my belt break. | ||
| Bads1 |
Amsoil best in the planet? | ||
| Brineusaf |
I've seen alot of Hd's on the road... must mean something. Either A - the oil they recommend is functioning as intended, or B - they are all using RedLine I'm stumped.  | ||
| Pwnzor |
Everyone switch to TAP WATER, end the debate! EVERYTHING IS OVER F'ING PRICED! I could have gotten a liter bike AND a dirt bike for the price of my Buell, but I didn't. WTF is the point of this lame argument. May as well be trying to convert people's religions. |
