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Beachbuell
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 02:42 pm: | 
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El Bruto, Thug ! |
Gmc310
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 02:48 pm: |
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Does anyone know the origin of Revtech ? Don't think that is an american motor . Most people don't realize that it is imported , These Harley guys use these motors all the time and I'm not sure they even Know, I personally have no Beef with imports , but this company seem to try to hide it . |
Jackbequick
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 03:30 pm: |
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Isn't Revtech the Korean made one? The castings at least?
Jack |
Beachbuell
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 04:01 pm: |
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RevTech= Korean made! |
Cowboy
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 04:29 pm: |
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The Merech was used in the early Confederaates.= Canadain made. ( I think not sure) |
Midwayav8r
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 06:05 pm: |
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I bought my XB12Scg 14 months ago, my second Buell. I just got a new owner survey from Buell, most of the questions were about the dealership, i.e., how was I treated, salesman, financing, etc, etc. Didn't have a place in there for buying it over the telephone and having it shipped here. Never have been to the dealership. The survey didn't ask many questions about the bike itself or about the piss poor support system for it. Why, I ask myself, does every magazine in the world give credit to all of the other makes, and Buell is rarely mentioned. If we are riding such great bikes, why are they not in the mags???? When they talk about looks, ride, engine, performance, handling, nakedness; it's always Suzuki, Ducati, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Honda, and now even KTM beat Buell out. Am I missing something? |
Phat_j
| | Posted on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 07:57 am: |
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Diablobrian just out of curiousity, in what world is 180 deg not flat??? you need some geometry class bro....... roflmao... |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 12:53 pm: |
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Feuling W 3
Rocket |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 01:00 pm: |
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A lot of magazines are biased to the brands who dump the most money into them. The people writing these articles can hardly be considered "journalists" and I have trouble believing that they derive all their income from the magazines they write for, if you get my drift. They write what they are paid to write. |
Mr_grumpy
| | Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 05:25 pm: |
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If we're talking current builders. Voxan.
http://www.voxan.com/voxan/
& if we're using a time warp, Brough Superior, Vincent, J.A.P. |
Gmc310
| | Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 06:27 pm: |
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Yah ,About two years ago I used to frequent a popular v twin forum and brought up the origin of revtech ,I was wondering why the motors were a grand cheaper than all others . most of the guys didn't know ,most assumed that they were american because of who used them , I emailed a few web retailers about the origin and they wouldn't say , Finally one of them reluctantly told me Korea and stressed about the Great warranty . I relayed this to the forum and was called a flag waiver, one guy said all of my kitchen appliances alarm clock and tv were all asian made and that I should shut up , my beef wasn't with the origin but with the fact that try to hide it , turns out the guy saying most of the stuff to me was a dealer who sold like 2 milling bucks worth of the motors. |
Gmc310
| | Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 06:31 pm: |
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Sorry to get off the subject there ,it's just funny how many of these Harley guys would say "get rid of that rice burner and buy a Harley" when I was riding my Honda or Suzuki ,not to say all "Harley Guys " are like that but many are.But how can someone say something like that ,then put a Korean motor in a Harley ? |
Cowboy
| | Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 06:44 pm: |
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Now what do I do I plan to put a 100 inch
S&S in my Buell will I be banded from Bad Web. HE HE |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 10:36 pm: |
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I didn't know s&s mad 100 inch motors built on sportster style cases.
No you would not be banned from badweb. Many of us have motors that have
been "massaged a little"  Hal's built mine, but cyclerama, revolution,
NRHS, and others build bigger motors for Buells. I think 90" is about as
big as you can get on the XB. I do not know a lot about the tube frames,
so I won't go there. |
Cowboy
| | Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 10:50 pm: |
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Brian.... I have a friend who is the agent for S&S (lives near me) they have 2 models to make it easer there is a carb. model and a fuel injected model. For M2 & X1 I did not inquire about XB models. |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 12:19 am: |
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Cool! |
Jackbequick
| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 09:34 am: |
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The details as to the where and how of the manufacture of the RevTech engines is pretty obscure.
I got curious and did some searches for more info on RevTech. RevTech is part of and wholly owned by the Global Motorcycle Group (GMG) kingdom. Here is an article giving a brief description of GMG.
GMG wholly owns Custom Chrome and a bunch of other brand names familiar to the V-twin market.
I've nothing against Korea, Korean made goods, RevTech or anyone in that chain. The fact that they offer a three year 30,000 mile warranty on some of the newest engines speaks to me of something other than cheap foreign made crap.
It would be interesting to see more info and details about the manufacture and assembly of the engines and more technical detail from RevTech. They really seem to have shielded themselves from the general public through the dealers, I'm not sure I understand that.
Jack |
Regkittrelle
| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 10:58 am: |
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Pwnzor...
"A lot of magazines are biased to the brands who dump the most money into them. The people writing these articles can hardly be considered "journalists" and I have trouble believing that they derive all their income from the magazines they write for, if you get my drift. They write what they are paid to write."
You paint with an extremely broad brush, Pwnzor. Certainly there are motorcycle publications that are bought by the advertisers--as there are in every publication sector. At the same there are numerous pubs and writers focusing on motorcycles that do an excellent, objective-as-possible job. I take serious issue with your "...that they derive all their income from the magazines they write for," comment. I'd like to hear of any evidence you have that this is the case. Libeling such a large group seems a bit much.
As for me, I have written crtical articles re Harley and Buell products (and been seriously challenged for them). Concurrent with that I have worked as a contractor for HDI; I have never been paid by them for the good reviews, nor penalized for the bad ones.
That you might disagree with the opinions of a given writer does not make that writer either bought orignorant.
That said, I'd like to hear any specifics you might have to back up your assertion. I don't write this as a challenger... I'd really like to hear your opinion. For example, which magazines fall under your "A lot..." category? |
Djkaplan
| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 01:37 pm: |
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You can e-mail S&S and get a free glossy catalog and CD. The 91" S&S crate engine fits a stock tube frame or Sportster frame. Wonder how much of deal I could get on one. $10,000 is steep. |
Cowboy
| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 01:55 pm: |
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The 100" for the X1 with all the goodys elecs, new clutch and ready to bolt in $9500.00 |
Midwayav8r
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 09:47 am: |
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Regkittrelle, that is the start of what I was looking for when I first wrote a few days ago. I don't criticize any magazine. I'm not sure what any of their agenda might be. My concern is that there aren't any magazines that speak highly of Buell, other than Fuell. I am constantly flooded with HD clothing catalogs, but nothing ever for Buell clothing. The dealership here in Savannah refuses to carry Buell and will not even work on them. I have NEVER seen a positive writeup on a Buell in ANY magazine, with the exception of the Ulysses. Particularly when there is a comparison between new bikes, the Buell doesn't make the cut. Even if all of the mags and authors were receiving payola, it would seem the Buell would receive some recognition, if it deserved it. And that is the question, does it deserve it. I love riding it, but my next street bike will probably be a 'busa or a 109R. |
Regkittrelle
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 11:05 am: |
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Mid....
Maybe the "Anon." poster could list the various positive articles that have appeared recently (I'm too lazy to do the research.) In the minds of the various test editors Buell has progressed significantly from the tube frame days.
Part of Buell's problem... such as it is... is that it is attempting to maintain a foothold in an area that pays a high premium for absolutes: the absolute fastest, the absolute quickest, etc. These benchmarks must be met, or closely approached by any motorcycle wishing to hear accolades from motorcycling's fourth estate. Lacking those qualities, a contender is often relegated to the afterthought category.
This situation has come about because we, as a culture, are obsessed with absolutes; it's the "bigger is better" ethos that has driven this country for decades. The big downside to this is that perfectly good, competent products are largely ignored in the press. By way of a defense the press will argue that without the cover superlatives they'd never sell an issue.
The XBs are very good motorcycles but they rule no category save for the arcane; i.e. most torque per liter by an air-cooled V-twin over 1000 ccs, or some such. That the motorcycle is fast (but not the fastest) quick (but not the quickest)a great handler (but not the greatest) relagates it to the afterthought file. That it is one of the most fun motorcycles to ride, and more than capable of handling the needs of most street riders gets lost in the mist of hyperbole.
The Ulysses---the best Buell ever made, IMO--- rates high on the editors scales because, 1) There are only a very few different brands swimming in its particular niche pool and, 2)it is a very good motorcycle that comes much closer to meeting the needs of the "adventure" crowd than do its XB siblings to those of the sportbike group.
Buell itself contributes to this situation. First, the company (Erik) is bound and determined to become a major player in AMA racing. Gawd, I admire his single-minded tenacity, but it's hard to ignore the fact the results to date have seriously dented the XBs credibility. With only a single FX race left in the '06 season, Buell (the racer) can only retire to East Troy and regroup for next year. The fortunate thing for Buell is that the average rider knows naught of racing.
And then there's the marketing: The motorcycle has never been marketed properly and, yes, I could do a better job at it. |
Spiderman
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 11:10 am: |
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hi Reg!! |
Regkittrelle
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 11:18 am: |
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Yo Spidey |
Slipknot
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 12:10 pm: |
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For those riders contemplating high performance motors. Before spending 10K on an S&S check out Zippers in Maryland. They have two or three packages for Sporty motors. They do their own research and development, they race, they have an incredible CNC machines shop and their packages are about $4500 last I checked. But that is for the components and machining of the main cases. You do the assembly. They do recommend a local shop or two to do that if you prefer. They also have primary and clutch packages for the added power and for easier clutch pull. They can give you dyno data on their high torque and their high horsepower motors. They have a very good reputation nationwide. Worth checking out. |
Court
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 01:36 pm: |
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>>>And then there's the marketing: The motorcycle has never been marketed properly and, yes, I could do a better job at it.
that's an accurate statement, for two reasons. |
Greenlantern
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 01:52 pm: |
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>>>And then there's the marketing: The motorcycle has never been marketed properly and, yes, I could do a better job at it.
Ok then, Let's give it a whirl.
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/4062/225157.html?1157478454 |
Outrider
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 02:23 pm: |
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Reg...
Agree with your comments wholeheartedly. Is one of the reasons I feel Buell would profit from exploring different market niches. Especially those where all the "Absolutes" you mentioned are not required by the consumer.
SuperMotards and Dual Purpose bikes as well as Nostalgic Street Trackers and Cafe Racers come to mind. We both know there are many more. Even Harley is capitalizing on the old (nostalgic) and the new (high tech) niches.
Many have tried and failed as they were dreamers that outsourced engines and other expensive components on a low volume (read: expensive) basis. The demand for their products was high, but the price was simply way too steep to sell the bikes. Buell has proven they can do it with all their previous models at a price the market can afford.
I don't see any reason why Buell shouldn't compete in this realm of sporting bikes even if they never made them in the first place. Doing so just may bring the Harley and Buell owners closer together and result in increased sales within the existing family as well as attracting many new customers.
In retrospect, Buell's commitment to the XB frame may be its most limiting factor. Sure it does everything Buell claims, yet a Tube frame allows for so many other style bikes. Other limiting factors include shocks and mufflers under the engine as well as the belt drive.
Sure, I realize the benefits of the current design. I just don't think they belong on certain types of bikes where a skid plate and chain will get you back home.
Additionally, I would like to see more engine and less frame. Even though Buell is a young company, it is a division (subsidiary?) of HDI and I see no reason why they can't capitalize on some of Harley's past and incorporate the power and handling that Buell has developed over the years.
Especially, since Harley's concept of a street tracker is a real dud in reference to performance and aesthetics. Seems with all the experience, Harley could pull one off, but I assume they think they have.
Seems there are other manufacturers out there doing the nostalgia thing as well as the high tech models. Ducati is just one example. Take off the Ricky Racer/Stunta glasses and collectively we will find more examples.
Seems a shame that Buell doesn't explore the other niches. However, I trust that does not fit with their strategic planning. Hopefully, that will change someday and they won't be so myopic.
Oh well, If wishes were horses, then beggars would ride. Translation: This beggar is ready to pounce on a 1000+ cc Street Tracker, SuperMotard or Dual Purpose bike as soon as one comes along at an affordable price.
Personally, I am betting on Japan to be the first to address these issues and collect my money. Trust me, I wish Buell would beat them to the punch as I would rather invest in another Buell since I know they can do it if they choose to.
Honda with the RC-51 engine would be my first guess to venture into these markets. After that, it would be an even match as all would have to re-engineer their huge V-Rod type engines if they don't already have one on the shelf. This is another distinct advantage that Buell has should they decide to go this direction.
KTM and Ducati are great bikes. Yet they are pricey and the dealer/service network is probably smaller than Buell's, which is another critical path for Buell to address.
Fortunately, I am in no rush to buy as I sold my X1 and invested the proceeds to pay for my next bike. In the interim, cruising on my Wide Glide will fill the void. |
Gmc310
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 06:34 pm: |
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if you read the long term wrap up in one of the currant sportbike mags , They speak good things about the xb ,They mention how far it has come and how much fun it is to ride, they added the city X hand gaurds to it , I thought that was cool , but overall the article was pretty positive , Triumph has the same problem , they make some great sport bikes that are slightly off the Japanese bikes performance wise ,yet the mags say how much slower they are . I know how these write ups kill bike sales around here , we used to all have the newest R6 or ninja then the gixxer 1000 came out and most of my buddies bought them ,now we're smarter and ride harleys and Buells |
Jayvee
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 01:28 pm: |
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Is Harley's "street tracker" the 883R ?
That IS a joke, they could sell one more like the one Mert Lawwill makes, if they would only make it. |
Outrider
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 02:50 pm: |
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Mert Lawwill's StreetTracker is a fine example of a specialty manufacturer that has overengineered and overpriced his creation.
Just take a Buell engine, stick it in a tube frame, bolt on the existing flat track bodywork with a slightly larger gas tank and HD or Buell has made me happy.
Don't need the wild air filters as the more traditional Sportster style provides more leg room and isn't as delicate.
Then, perhaps all bets are off as I just read about the liquid cooled Sportster in the October issue of Motorcyclist.
Safe to assume that converting to a liquid cooled line is the priority at HD/BMC and I will just have to keep looking for other manufacturers for something that is close to what I would like. |
Bomber
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 05:10 pm: |
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anyone else see the water-cooled sporty mock up in the latest Motorcyclist?
anyone else thing, "Hmmmmmmm?"
me, I don't need that motor, but it does give one pause
break break
agreed on the racing thing -- I can only think of one brand that's tried to build it's success on their track record -- Ducati, while it builds really wonderful bikes, cannot possibly be considered a successful bidness -- I'm sure Buell isn't using them for a role model (far from it), but I, too, marvel at the tenacity of Buells pursuit of racing success --
ain't bad rapping it, just don't unterstand it. I know many folks buy scoots based on their racing record, I'm just not one of em |
Midwayav8r
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 05:34 pm: |
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We would be seriously out of place if we bought a Buell based on racing records. I really only bought Buell, cuz I've always ridden Harley. And I thought they looked good. They ride nice! They catch peoples eyes. With the Specops pipe, it catches their ears too, most don't know what to think seeing a crotch rocket making that sound. However, I still wonder why Eric isn't making something more competitive with other brands. And more importantly, why doesn't Harley sponsor a couple Buell factory teams for the races and really spend some R&D money on the RR. I'm serious, I really just can't justify buying Harley anymore, particularly when you see and/or ride something like the Suzuki 109R. I love my Scg, but why doesn't anyone in the big motorcycle rags? And there are some obvious things they should do for the Buell that everyone on this site agrees: something to make it run cooler like a standard right side scoop, 6spd, more fuel and others. |
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