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Microchop
Posted on Saturday, August 05, 2006 - 09:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hi all.

My Girlfriend is close to buying a Blast.

What should I expect in dealer fees?

Thanks!
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Josh_cox
Posted on Saturday, August 05, 2006 - 10:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ours are 410 on new XBs. I don't remember off of the top of my head, but they are a bit less on the Blasts.
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Microchop
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 10:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Update:
I decided to buy an 07 Blast at California HD in Harbor City.

They knocked the price to $4395 (from $4695)

But they want $538 for "freight" and $680 for "handling!"

Is that insane or what?
They are giving me back $125 in a "gift card."

I know that this is the cheapest bike in the store, and I am all for capitalism and making a profit, but the freight on a Duece is $290 (a figure given to me by the salesman.)

I see how they are getting a little extra profit out of the Blast.
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Diablobrian
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 11:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That sounds very close to criminal. What do they base the freight on weight or size?

Oh wait the Blast is also the smallest and lightest bike there. At most it's crate would be the same size.

I've seen Handling/set-up padded before, but never freight at a reputable dealer.
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Wes12185
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 11:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

go for the 06 and walk in with 4000 and tell them to take it or leave it.... Then again, I hear things go different in california then everywhere else
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Aldaytona
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 11:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Harley-Davidson has a set charge for freight, some dealers use it, some don't.
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Vaneo1
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 11:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I bought my 06 Firebolt from California HD last August and they didnt deal at all with me. Hell they didnt even take my Honda CBR as a trade-in even with the big white sign by the fron door saying , "we want your trade-in". Anyway I got a $250 gif card out of it, and two free Buell T-shirts (that were size med so they kinda fit me tight). I noticed that place doesnt even give a 10% off at the parts counter like glendale HD does for HOG and BRAG members. Even Bartels HD does it if your in the military.
See if Bill Swift is still there and try to talk with him, maybe he can deal somewhat, but good luck. They need all that profit for those "free" BBQ's they throw every Saturday.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 12:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Don't get me started on Cal Harley

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Indy_bueller
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 12:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm sorry but a $1200 surcharge borders on the rediculous. Auto dealers don't charge that much for FULL SIZE CARS AND TRUCKS! I'd tell them they are out of their minds.
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Daves
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 12:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

the dealer is charged 210.00 for shipping of a Blast.
So they are marking up the shipping by 328.00

680.00 for handling is waaaaaay too much too.
We charge 180.00 for setup on a Buell.
So they are marking that up 500.00

828.00 in extra mark up.
That's a lot more than the mark up in the bike itself!
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Rkc00
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 01:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My Long Island dealer wants $995 for shipping and prep. What a crock of S---!!!!

Mike
Long Island, NY
06 XB12X Black of course
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Jayvee
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 01:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Just buy a used one, they are relatively plentiful and cheap, and guess they haven't really improved anything on it since 2002.

I see them all the time from $2500 to $3000 sometime with like 350 miles on it.
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Buellgirlie
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 01:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

totally insane. plz shop around. that dealer doesnt seem to understand that information flows pretty freely these days.

D
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Pwnzor
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 01:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

go for the 06 and walk in with 4000 and tell them to take it or leave it.... Then again, I hear things go different in california

you said that right. I walked in with $12500 in cash in my pocket and rode out on a bike. I tried to start at the sticker price of $10589 but the salesman and the OWNER didn't care. They basically challenged me to find one anywhere else.

I had to have it, I bought it.

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Microchop
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 03:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks for all your input.

I decided to buy new this time because it's for my girlfriend, an I wanted a minimum of potential problems.
They don't have any 06 Blasts, and only a white one on the floor, Black in the warehouse, no sense of urgency about having it delivered.
I left a deposit, so I am committed to buy from this dealer, but I'll never buy another bike from them. They misled me about when I could pick up the bike (it's a surprise gift,) and don't seem to think that the fees are excessive, even though I am getting NO added value from them.

Oh well...As long as she's happy riding it.

Thanks again.
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Skyguy
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 03:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Skip Fordyce offered me a new 12R for 10,000. As long as I just bought it and did not ask any questions that is.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 03:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It's not too late to get your deposit back.

LET ME TELL YOU ONE THING ABOUT CAL HARLEY.

When I was searching for a 2004 XBR in August of 2003 Cal Harley's sales manager told me on the phone that if I came in and paid cash in full that he would BUMP someone who had already made a deposit OFF the WAITING LIST for ME.

That is 100% bad business. To tell a stranger that over the phone espcially, I could have been Erik Buell for Christs' sake.

Have you checked Glendale? I haven't been there but everyone raves about their service. Real Buellers up there. I think if you gotta wait anyway you're better off waiting with them.

This is my opinion, based on my personal experience. Stay where you like, but I think you will kick yourself later if you stay with them.





(Message edited by pwnzor on August 08, 2006)
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Pwnzor
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 03:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

And another thing. If they give you grief about the deposit, go over their heads to Buell Customer Service and have the bike delivered to another dealer and pay the remainder of the money to them.

There has to be an out. They are dicking around with you.

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Wes12185
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 03:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I agree with the shopping around, right now is definantly the best time to buy if you are willing to take an 06. Not sure how much your deposit was, but if daves says they're ripping you off 800+, they are ripping you off 800+. If your deposit is less then that, even without bothering with a call to BMC, it may still be cheaper to shop around.
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Kuuud
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 08:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

RUN!...very quickly away from that crooked dealer. Your problems with them will get worse before its over. Get your deposit back and start making some phone calls!!!

Bret
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Brucelee
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 09:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The net price of the bike to you is all that matters. Offer what you are willing to pay for the Blast. If they take it, fine. If not, fine.

The cost of freight is irrelevant.

It is the number on the check you need to come up with.
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Microchop
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 03:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Here’s what went down.

I bought the Blast from Cal. HD.

I know I could have gotten out of the deposit if I wanted, but I endure enough confrontation in my life, so I decided to press on.

I got an additional $200 knocked of the price, I know I could have gotten a better deal elsewhere, and I will apply that lesson next time. This dealer is the closest to my house, and they had a black one, in addition to a bunch of other Buells on the floor, 10 times what Bartel’s has. I know they ream Buell buyers because they have no chrome do-dads and custom paint to artificially inflate the price with, like the big twins.

The high fees are now water under the bridge, the good here is that everyone at BadWeb can add them to the list of dealers to be wary of. But if you’re in the area on a Saturday, go by and have a hotdog, I paid for it!

Thank you all for your help, including a couple offers from other dealers. Had the timing been better, I’d have taken you up on them. For sure, I will be directing any potential Buell buyers to you guys! (you know who you are!)


Most importantly, my Belinda is very happy with her new ride (and more than a bit surprised!)

So I would ask all of you to extend a warm BadWeatherBikers Welcome to the love of my life, Belinda, SoCal’s newest Buell rider!
(pics to follow, she doesn't use Badweb....yet)
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Buellgirlie
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 04:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

congrats to you and belinda. if you're happy with the deal, then its not anyone else's job to doubt that you did whats right for you.

welcome to the family !

D
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Swampy
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 04:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Welcome Belinda,
Don't forget to check out the Thumper forum for all the modifications you will be doing soon.
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Bomber
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 04:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm thinkin the extra couple of hundred bucks will fade from your memory long before the grins fade form Belinda's face --

good for you guys -- enjoy the ride!
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Diablobrian
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 05:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm glad that she's happy with her new ride!

How long until the modifications begin?

The gang on the thumper forum will be glad to help you I'm sure!
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Steve_mackay
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 06:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

WOW, that's a lot for Freight and Setup. I didn't pay a dime on our CityX for F&S last January. *AND* got a hefty discount under retail.

But Hals tends to like me for some reason : )
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Pwnzor
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 01:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I paid too much for my bike too, sometimes it's actually better to get the one right in front of you right now rather than wait.

Welcome aboard Belinda.



(Message edited by pwnzor on August 10, 2006)
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Kuuud
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 11:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Welcome and we ARE glad it worked out.

...and what Pwnzor said!

Bret
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Jlnance
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 01:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Congrats on the Blast! She will love the bike. If you get to ride it, you will to.

Sometime, when you are in the mood for a 400 mile ride, go up to San Francisco and meet Ezblast. It's worth the trip.
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Microchop
Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 11:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks everyone. She's really enjoying it.

We had a great rdie to dinner last night, we'll see what the weekend holds.

No power mods planned, but we will probably install the dual headlight assembly and flyscreen from a Lightning.
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Dfbutler
Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 07:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Now that you own it, be very cautious of Cal Harley service. They charged nearly $1500 for 25K service and among the horror stories, they left the clip off the plug in the oil drain hose, which could have easily left a stream of oil in the road right in front of my rear wheel.
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