| Author | Message | ||
     Regkittrelle |
"A serious eyeopener" ? If it is, then I'd be a bit concerned if I was you. What is it about the graphic pictures that surprises you? That people die, and sometimes, horribly so, on a motorcycle? That the human body is quite fragile? That spread about the landscape the body can create a real mess? What DID you think happened when someone t-boned a car, or did a header into the grill of an 18-wheeler? And if it scares you off the motorcycle, that's probably a good thing. From Day 1 I've been acutely aware of the potential for death and maiming while riding; it's there,it's a fact, and we all have to deal with it. To me that means the continual training, and the proper gear. It also means the total avoidance of alcohol (and drugs of ANY sort... 'cept mebbe IBP)prior to and during a ride. Sounds preachy, doesn't it? Better that than a eulogy. And btw, I don't for a second believe that site, or the many similar ones, was created with "good intentions." | ||
| Tom_b |
I tend to agree with reg on this topic. the website is just an exploitation site. Seen to many bad things not to be acutely aware of my mortality | ||
| Buellisti |
eboos, I really wonder what this person's agenda is. I could put up a website showing pedestrians that died graphically and give pointers about walking safely. Those two pictures look suspiciously like someone who was drug underneath a large truck for a fair distance. My question is where did the pair of sneakers come from? | ||
| Angelwild327 |
Reg, It wasn't as much an eye-opener for me as it might be to just some-ONE out there, just maybe...I've seen all this stuff ad-nauseum in my line of work. As I said, I realize when your time's up, it's up..but maybe it might shine the light on just one person to gear up, or pay more attention or not believe they're invincible...that's all..because I believe that as gross and negative as that sight may be, there will be just one person, maybe more, that might positively benefit from seeing it. That's the point..people learn things in all different kinds of ways...even hit-you-over-the-head blunt graphics like these... | ||
| Regkittrelle |
...327 I've no issue with YOUR intent, but only agree with you to a very limited extent. One of the many worrisome things about sites such as this is that hey will scare off not only the people who shouldn't ride (that's a good thing) but also those who could become competent riders. Almost as bad is that the graphic representations will cause an inexperienced rider to become too tentative.. a very dangerous trait. Another aspect is the effect it can have on our non-riding partners. I would not want my wife to see this site; she worries about me enough, as is. | ||
| Skyguy |
First, That website will not convince me not to ride. There is nothing there I do not already know about. Here are some simple rules I use when riding in traffic to try to avoid becoming hamburger. 1. There are no green lights, redlights or stop signs. All intersections have been designed to kill a motorcyclist and should be treated as a serious hazard. 2. Every car on the road has bad brakes. Always move between two cars at an intersection if possible. If not legal in your State stop early, in a position to be able to accelerate out of danger. Leave the bike in gear and monitor your mirror until all cars behind you have stopped. 3. Assume all cars are about to suffer steering failure. Leave yourself a route that "will hurt the least" in a crash. Have a plan in your head for how to bail in the least painful way possible. 4. All cagers are stupid, coffee spilling, cell phone using, child screaming constantly distracted fools. Treat them as such. 5. Tailgaters kill or get killed. DONT TAILGATE 6. No matter how hot it is or how envious I get of riders wearing Nylon/Cordura mesh gear I will not succomb to wearing crap gear. Armored full length boots, good helmet, great gloves and at minimum a pair of heavy blue jeans. (BTW Levi's are junk try the wranglers they are thicker and more durable. (I mic'ed em and drug a weighted patch behind my truck). Hey if your gonna wear jeans you should wear decent ones. 7. A beer with lunch is ok, Two is not. I have a whole nother set of rules for "spirited" canyon riding but am tired of typing now. | ||
| Djkaplan |
The only thing I learned from any of the posts is that Wranglers are better than Levi's. I've been a lifelong Levi's wearer but they seemed to have gone down in durability lately. | ||
| Regkittrelle |
Levi's fan, I am. However, the problem with denim is that it grabs traction on your skin. Not only can it seriously abrade your skin, it also has a tendency to wrap your flesh about the denim. Fun thoughts. Yes, I do ride in Levi's quite a bit. | ||
| Oldog |
The mesh gear I have specificaly is a polyester mesh jacket, with pads in various places, fore arms / shoulders and back, jeans are what I wear when the temps are above 70f I have chapps, I have to loose some weight to get into the gear that I would want, and get the coin together too.. so to all would a mesh jacket with pads be better than a t shirt? I would think so. | ||
| Chasespeed |
I would like to hear from folks who have worn mesh gear in an accident did it protect them Oldog, I still have whats left of my Joe rocket Phoenix after a wreck last summer. The Base used it in their trainning, course for a few weeks, as well as the gloves, helmet, and pants I was wearing, blood and all... funny how many riders on base were wearing leather after that... If you want, I will try to get some pics of it to you.. Better than just a t-shirt, sure..but, how much better? One of the buttons MELTED into my arm, the only place where I didnt end up with road rash was where the pads covered my shoulder and underside of the forearm... 35mph crash...on a regular surface street. My jeans did I better job of protecting my flesh, than the jacket..I was bruised, and have some road rash on my legs as well, but not as bad as the jacket... That is the only mesh jacket I have ever had, and I will never buy another... I continue to wear leather, and I have a set of pants from Vanson(denim and kevlar). Even in these HOT South TX days, 95+ high humidity... I get people that ask why? all I have to do is lift my shirt, or pant legs, and show off the road rash scars. scars from the pins, and surgeries to put my leg ack together, etc... I have been in more than my share of wrecks, 2 that were BAD, woke up in a hospital...etc... But, I have worn gear ever since, and though, there have been times I sought medical attention, I have always walked away..... Its like this, IMHO, if you havent grapsed a glimpse of your mortality, or you dont KNOW you arent invincible, you have no business on/near a bike, OR around me. Yes, I do stupid things aplenty, BUT, I KNOW every morning I leave the house, that I will die, and, I am greatfull everytime I dont... Believe me, months of skin grafts, pins hold bones together so they can heal, and now, a permanent limp, that I have been dealing with physical therapy for, for 4 months,..kinda helps to invision that. At even 26, my body isnt healing from the abuse like it used to. I have been taken off the deployable lists, I am not allowed to re-enlist when my time is up in Nov 08..will I stop riding? Hell no. I have just gotten more carefull. Hell, since the last wreck, I think I have done 2 wheelies...and 1 stoppie, all unintentional...I just flat mellowed out alot...it is still painfull to walk, ride, going up and down the stairs in my townhouse is brutal... The point is, I dont think that site is overkill at all...I think its spot on... cause even some people seeing the after-effects of a wreck, they just dont get it... Sorry this post is so long, and kinda off the point...but... it stands.. And I know most here, agree as far as weearing gear, and all that.....so, dont take it as preaching... Chase} (Message edited by chasespeed on July 31, 2006) | ||
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| Paw |
Skyguy, you say wear a good pair of jeans there is no such thing except for these. They are called Draggin' Jeans. They are the best pair of jeans to wear and the only pair to wear when on a motorcycle. The jeans are reinforced with kevlar in all the right places. The company has an add in most motorcycle mags. | ||
| Angelwild327 |
Court Gold Lame` is NOT good protective gear!!! | ||
| Court |
What can I say . . . I am a party animal! | ||
| Chasespeed |
They are the best pair of jeans to wear and the only pair to wear when on a motorcycle. Actually, Vanson makes a set now, of which I have a pair... needless to say, I got rid of my dragginz, gave them to someone else... The vanson, well, they are vanson...so, quality is great... PLUS , they have velcro inside, on the hips, and the knees for their soft OR hard armor.... I dont know that they are being retailed yet, I picked them up in their outlet store in April... Chase} | ||
| Court |
In consideration of Badweb non-sponsor policy, I add the caveat that the author has received promotional consideration from the aforementioned vendor | ||
| Light_keeper |
Periodic safety course is good preventative medication as well.  | ||
| Angelwild327 |
Well, I have read that motorcyclists around their 48th month or between 2-5 years of experience, tend to have a lot more accidents than newbies and more seasoned riders... maybe that would be the "cocky" years...and a great time to re-do the class or ERC. | ||
| Macbuell |
I don't see the point of that site. If you don't know that riding a motorcycle is a dangerous hobby you shouldn't be riding. I didn't find any redeeming value to all those pictures, etc. | ||
| Oldog |
Chase, first welcome back you have been absent for a while.. yes post the pix of the mesh stuff. I am wearing that in leu of going with out a jacket, I have a wilsons jacket, which is leather, and an HD jacket which is leather, I am trying to determine if mesh is useless or not, as of today I am 49 and I dont want to do the road rash if avoidable. | ||
| Skyguy |
I had an Aerostitch for a long time. Was lucky to never road test it. I always wore leather one piece suits when out riding hard. I thought the stitch was great but kinda bulky, leaky in the crotch and pretty darn hot in the summer. I have seen pics of Mesh, ballistic Nylon and Cordura melted into peoples skins. Very damaging wounds to say the least. Very painful recovery and treatment process. Come next spring I will be able to afford what I think may be the ultimate riding suit. Kevlar mesh with removable Gortex winter liners in both pants and jacket. Custom made setup is around 1,200 so. Much more expensive than any other option but I think worth every penny. That site is gruesome for the sake of gruesome but I do see value in noobs seeing the potential reality of riding bikes. | ||
| Chasespeed |
Chase, first welcome back you have been absent for a while.. yes post the pix of the mesh stuff. I am wearing that in leu of going with out a jacket, I have a wilsons jacket, which is leather, and an HD jacket which is leather, I am trying to determine if mesh is useless or not, as of today I am 49 and I dont want to do the road rash if avoidable. My unit had an exercise in Hawaii, with no access to a comp... Anyway, IF I can jack a camera, I will try to get a few pic to ya... Like I said, better, than just riding with a T-shirt..sure..but, how much so? I was wearing it, knowing that it wouldnt be GOOD protection, BUT, it was better than none. Fortunatly, I wasnt going fazst enough, fo rthe material to melt to my skin, just the buttons. Its HOT down here, bro, and I mean hot, heat index by the time I leave for work in the morning, is usually alreday upper 90s, and humid. I am really trying to work something out, and get one of the Vanson FULL perf'd leather jackets. I know it must seem like, I get paid by them out or something, BUT, I have crash tested gear from several companies, and, I havent seen anyway, stand behind a product, like them, OR seen a product stand up like theirs. I haev never used alpine stars, or aero-stitch.. Anyway, thats my take.... Chase} (Message edited by chasespeed on August 01, 2006) | ||
| Davegess |
Aerostitch clearly states on there site that there jackets and pants should be used something underneath. They say that the fabric can get very hot from sliding and that bare skin under the jacket or pants WILL get burned in a long slide. I, with one exception, have always worn long pants under my Darian. I do wear a short sleeve shirt so my arms are at risk although the elbow pads do cover most of the arm. I intuitivly think that a mesh fabric will offer little protection but that perforated leathers would be pretty good. The Stitch can be warm but when it is really hot I find that leaving the sleeves unzipped with my gloves inside of the sleeve moves a lot of air into the suit; and the occasional bee, man did that hurt. You can drop an ice pack in the pockets for some serious cooling. Of course this does reduce the protecion not to mention that landing a frozen pack would be a good way to break a rib. It is all tradeoffs. One piece racing leathers with full armour maximises your protection but is kinda hard to ride your bike to a meeting and show up in one of those! | ||
| Court |
I think full leathers, for riding on public roads, may be less effective for two reasons. FIRST - there is much to be said for the "sliding ability" of the Aerostich (or similar Cordura suit)as opposed to leather that tends to gain traction and set you into a roll. (This by the way is all hypothetical bullshit, I have no PROOF that leather will roll you . . . pretty much wive's tales that I adhere to PERSONALLY) SECOND - those of you who on a 100oF day (say, like today) have ever tired to enter or leave full leathers will know it's nearly impossible. Try putting on a wet suit when you are sweaty and you'll understand. I can be in the Aerostich in seconds, and out as well. The fact that it is EASY to wear makes it more likely I will use it. The fact that I, unlike my aging counterpart Gess, look simply fabulous in an Aerostich is simply a bonus.  | ||
| Diablobrian |
With the common availability of under armor type wicking clothing (even at Wal-Mart) it shouldn't be hard to find the long sleeve and pants of this type that will also help keep you cool. Thanks for prompting me Dave! I've been wearing a pair of bicycle shorts and a shirt of this type I got at the factory recently If you wear the long sleeve shirt of this type it makes the jacket slide back on easier after a stop. | ||
| Angelwild327 |
Court....photos please...you fabulous super-model you!!! | ||
| Skyguy |
Sure would like to run into a bad webber that has tried this stuff. http://www.motoport.com/detail.asp?Product_ID=900.102.302&Merchant_ID=633Pm22C&M erchant_Phone=&Merchant_Fax= It looks to be the best of all worlds when combined with their pants. I did a bunch of research on other boards and decided to do this in lieu of a "stitch" as soon as I can spend the cash. Oh and Court, you are right about getting in and out of sweaty leathers. Thats why I never took mine off. | ||
| Court |
>>>>>Thats why I never took mine off. How old were you when you put them on? How old are you now? Ever been in hot weather? And.....you're struggling to figure out why you're having problems finding chickettes? Hmmmmmm . . . I think I'm putting the pieces together! Angela....gee...for you . . ANYTHING. This male model stuff or what?  Went there to meet some interesting folks, including Harrison Ford, who ride BMW's. | ||
| Skyguy |
Court lol. I have ridden through Taft in July in full leathers. You don't know hot until you have done that! Don't suppose you know anyone selling some leathers cheap? I got rid of all my good gear when I thought I was quitting motorcycles (that lasted two years). I am poor these days but really need to find something I can trust to fall in. Any leads would be appreciated. (oh I am 5'10 and 140lbs). | ||
| Angelwild327 |
Court I'm printing it out now, so I can frame it and put it on my desk.. teehee.. Tanks! |
