| Author | Message | ||
     Angelwild327 |
Ok, maybe some of you have seen this before... but let me tell you, it's a SERIOUS eye-opener.. the site, I believe, was created with very good intentions...to warn riders in such an overwhelmingly blunt way, to ride safe and put an end to Squidliness... WARNING - there are some pretty graphic pics and movies... http://home1.gte.net/res0ak9f/bike.htm | ||
| 12r |
I recall we discussed the UK Think! movie a while back and although I'm all for educating the cagers it really is up to us to look after ourselves. You have to be tired of living if you ride past a junction that close to a car that's waiting to pull out. Only this week I was tearing up the twisties when I spotted a car approaching abnormally quickly and I instinctively moved away from the centre line. He blasted by, but the other 3 a**holes who were chasing him all had two wheels on my side of the road and I would've been roadkill if I'd stayed 'on line'. Assume nothing. Ride longer. | ||
| Drift |
Ok. That was completely graphic. WARNING!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Brineusaf |
Wow... certainly gets to the point. Is this Brian's website? ATGALT | ||
| Firebolteric_ma |
holly sh!t there Angelwild327! that sure is an eye opener!  only recently have i been wearing a full face helmet. finally bought one last year.  I haven't wore won since riding dirt bikes as a kid...been the typical harley guy w/ the novelty helmet since then. decided i would not spend any more money on the bike till i got some good gear. just this week bought a pair of icon pant and the icon motorhead jacket. (ebay) pants will be here today and the jacket later this week.  boots are next.(sidi vertigo).i've had 2 good friends go down this year..one not to bad, the other not to good. both are alive though. hopefully they live and learn.but really doubt it..pretty much stuck in the harley poser style of life..  . between that and setting a good example for my kids who are getting into everything that has a motor (6 & 10yrs. old) I have gone the full gear route plus I like coming home at night, and ridding the next days after that.  dang i like the clipart today...  | ||
| Bcordb3 |
Scary stuff. | ||
| Angelwild327 |
Just seeing racers crash and get up and walk away, drives home the point that good gear saves lives...and keeping mind-numbing speed on the track and not the streets! Brine... ATGATT...but I don't think Brian has anything to do with it...the scary thing is the google thing with current motorcycle accidents...now THAT's mind-numbing | ||
| Essthreetee |
 DAYAMMM!!!!! | ||
| Court |
Eric: You bring up a good point. Two things I would NEVER cut corners on would be gloves and boots. Remember when you were a kid. . . stumbled and fell? What was the instinctive reaction? Right...to extend our hand and reach for the ground. Bad news at 45 or 125 MPH. My wife got the "boot" lesson while riding in Baja with 12-time Baja 1000 winner Chris Haines. Vickie was bashing through the sand dunes when BOOM. . . the drain plug in a Yamaha blew out of the aluminum oil tank. She had on kids (she's a tiny thing) moto-x boots that didn't come up high enough and her boot was promptly filled with boiling oil and he nylon moto-x pads soaked. She jumped from the bike, but by the time the could get her boot off, the oil had burnt to the bone. We laugh about it now, because her medical treatment came from a very good . . . . DENTIST! Hey, when you are a couple hundred miles from civilization. Point is. . . excellent boots and excellent glove are an essential part of the necessary gear. | ||
| Eboos |
I wonder what happened to he guy towards the bottom of the page. That must have been some crash to blow off his gear and do the damage that it did. | ||
| Diablobrian |
Not my site Kyle. I have graphic pics to be sure, but while I push for people to wear gear I'm a LOT more subtle I think. They don't appear to be advocating safe riding so much as trying to discourage people from riding. There's a big difference. There is some good stuff on there, but a lot of it goes too far in my opinion. You can get your message across without going to the extreme that they chose to. People tend to react in unpredictable ways to extreme messages. I feel it better to approach the subject with logic and a level head. I feel that I get better results that way. I tell my story, and I'll show people pics of the bike after the crash, but not pic of the crash site, or of my injuries. I'm going for a positive message, not a negative one. I do not want people to subconsciously reject my message and try to forget it. | ||
| Angelwild327 |
I've joined a couple local south florida rider forums and there is an unhinging amount of "RIP"'s posted, with a frequency I don't care to tell about...just locally, no less.. I figure if that site wakes up 1 or 2 people even, it's done it's job. I thought, like you, Brian, that it was a site more to discourage than anything...but I believe it is more a site for the truly dense biker, an eye-opener... The other night we went to a local bike night, and there was a charity going on, the MC was standing in the driveway greeting just about every biker that passed by and somewhat comically humiliating and mocking everyone without proper gear, loudly through his microphone, to the entire crowd...I was very impressed by his tactics.. who knows, maybe he'll save a life out of their sheer embarassment..whatever it freakin' takes | ||
| Buellfighter |
Mangled bikes and bodies. Looks to me like the site was showing that no matter what you wear you can still look like a pile of hamburger. Gruesome that's all. If I want some death I'll go rent Faces of Death or something! | ||
| Brineusaf |
Brian can i get pics of your smashed bike...but also of the injuries substained? I tried to show my wife the website...she said not to show her that kind of stuff when it involves something I do, and walked away. I wasn't trying to freak her out, just trying to show her that even she needs to pay more attention when driving the car. | ||
| Brineusaf |
Faces of Death...I rented that with a buddy a long time ago... gruesome movie... pulling human arms from elevator tiles ect. | ||
| Pcmodeler |
Wow. Some of those photos almost make me want to go out and sell my bike. | ||
| Firebolteric_ma |
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| Freeflyer |
I didnt see any buells in there so I think we be safe man! Really though knowledge IS power. And that fact is as far as right of way you could be dead right, I always look for an out or escape plan, Id rather go into a ditch than an oncoming car etc. Keep your eyes open everybody | ||
| Pwnzor |
Cool site, shows you what happened in a few instances. For those of you who say it is an eye-opener I have one question. What do you imagine would happen to you in an accident? I believe the point of that website is to illustrate that sometimes it doesn't matter how careful you are, once in a while, your number is up and thats that. The guess what I'm getting at is this: I wonder how many people haven't taken a few minutes to impose upon their own minds the horrors and realities associated with a motorcycle accident. The ways in which it can change your life and the lives of all those around you. The financial burdens and emotional stress on yourself and those around you. Et cetera and so forth. Never mind the physical pain, thats the least of your worries. I see a lot of young guys around here "riding like they stole it" and I'm sure a large portion of them didn't have to actually pay for the bike either. It occurs to me that part of their fearless attitude toward riding is just their age, but another part is just ignorance. The blissful kind, where they just haven't taken a minute to think about becoming meat on the pavement. Sure, they've seen pictures, but they haven't actually closed their eyes and concentrated on putting themselves in that situation, even if just for a moment. Just something I wonder about from time to time whenever I see people pushing their skills in dicey situations on the road. I've *knock on wood* never had an accident while I was at the controls of any vehicle. I'm thankful for that, and I know there was a small measure of luck responsible for it, but mainly I attribute that to being careful. Be careful everyone, and don't let pictures scare you off your bike! Motorcycling is one of the few great ways to express individuality left available to us. | ||
| Firebolteric_ma |
court that must have been some nasty pain. i have done oil changes as a kid for a shop and got my fair share of the hot oil treatment. when them cars come in for the 5 minute oil change the oil is super hot as is the rest of the car parts. really not fun. i have always worn good gloves and work boots when riding. just always have even in the dead of summer. i push the gear on my kids and always tell them "if they don't wear it, then they don't ride it." and there is no discussing it...period! it has already saved my 10 year old some misery when he was riding the 4 wheeler through the garden (made a whopty doo for him) and when landing the rear tire/axle snapped clean off. when the piece of axle that was left hit the dirt it did an emmediate 180 and tossed him right off.(flew in the air about 10 feet) he got up like nothing happened as i ran to him. thought for sure he got hurt on that one. but he was fine...just a little sad from breaking it. | ||
| Buellgirlie |
wow. i am almost speechless, and i felt my heart racing as i scrolled through that page. it really drives home the point that when you wreck on a motorcycle, the consequences are potentially much more serious. yes i had a medium serious wreck on the racetrack - but there werent cars, trucks, buses, animals, guardrails, etc. involved -- and everyone on track is required to have full gear that passes tech before each race weekend. so in some warped way, its a bit safer. that plus the ambulance waiting to get you should something happen. regardless, a great wakeup call. thank you angel for posting. D | ||
| Oldog |
OMG! that is some of the most disturbing media that I have ever seen. for the most part I tend to agree with Diablo Brian, a positive message is a good start, I think if that ever gets to the wrong hands at the NTSB bikes will be limited to 80 mph [ the electronics are there all ready ] I'm fortunate to be alive and have steel in my left arm, gear is important, I would like to hear from folks who have worn mesh gear in an accident did it protect them or do I have a floating black fruit sack that I wear to work when I ride? Angle: I hope that you have not lost any one to an accident like these. As a CT tech I assume that you do work for a hospital and as a result an ER. so you are subjected to seeing this from time to time. Be careful, I worked In Hileah a couple of years back and trucked the X1 down to site So I guess I have ridden down there and its busy for sure thanks for sharing i think........ that is the stuff of night mares  | ||
| Kdan |
Olddawg, Sanchez of 3%'er fame here took a slide ride at the Barber Track days we did a couple of weeks ago with mesh on and they did a good job, a small amount of rash about the size of a nickel is all, but they banned all of the guys from riding with mesh for the rest of the weekend. So everyone of the pictures they all look like the same guy cause everyone was wearing Odie's leather. Check it out here: http://www.incorrect.org/videos/Barber%202006-07-08.wmv Or here: http://photoshow.comcast.net/cdthatbme/buells_and_3_ers | ||
| Alchemy |
The increase to 32 time more likely to die in a crash is a large increase from 13 a few years ago. I have to wonder about this. How much of this is due to statistical manipulation because autos are more safe due to passive restraints, ABS, etc over the years and how much has legitimate meaning that we can work with as riders? The drop off in helmet use is sure to have a negative impact. We have some control over that. Inattentive auto drivers (cell phone drunks) and the increase in general disregard for driving laws such as running red lights and failing to signal etc make the roads more dangerous to us all (especially MC riders). Perhaps increased daytime running lights can help some. All these things from safer autos to less capable drivers and fewer helmets adds up to a statistic that is alarming. Also, the mesh picture gave me some pause as well. Time to get the CE armor I guess. I also think some of the more sickening human damage probably came from being tossed into oncoming traffic and getting ground up in oncoming traffic after the initial accident. | ||
| Angelwild327 |
Pwnzor... While I understand where you're coming from on the, if it's time it's time point of view... for me it drove home the point, and especially for me as a newer rider...that you have to constantly be aware of the risk you face while riding on a motorcycle. Meaning that, unlike, say, bungee jumping, skydiving, or whatever kind of "risky" activity in which you partake, whereas your variables are typically only you, your equipment and many times not much else, motorcycling has a bajillion variables, including cars, people, crap in the road, animals, curves, trees..etc... My thoughts after seeing that sight are, crap...I have to ALWAYS think smarter and safer than EVERYONE else around me..I have to be almost psychic at times to anticipate what may happen and to better my skills every single time I ride, even if it's something small...and if I feel that I'm not sharp, I don't ride...I NEVER drink while I ride, not a drop, not ever... Also, because I have people that I love and that love me, and people who depend on me in different ways..I have to protect my body at all times, as much as humanly possible, because I don't ever want to burden others to take care of my sorry ass because I was too stupid and inconsiderate to not wear a helmet or gear. Luckily I have health insurance, god forbid I should need it, but a lot of people don't and it's a huge bill to foot when you end up in the hospital. Not to mention the burden to society when you can't pay it. I'm smart enough to realize that accidents do happen, to the most prepared and experienced riders and no amount of skill and knowledge could have saved them... but I am a believer that many and I venture to say most accidents CAN and could have been prevented, one way or another. As the saying goes..if it helps just 1 person...then it's done it's job. | ||
| Angelwild327 |
Oldog, Fortunately no one I'm close to has been in an accident quite like many of those.. crashed yes, broken bones, yes, surgery/hospital/rehab/ etc..yep...but they're still alive thankfully. I've worked in healthcare since I was 17, that's 19 years, I did level 1 trauma, ER, xray, evening/night/weekend shift... so you can say, the worst shift possible...I saw humans in various stages of motorcycle accidents from the mild to the worst of those pictures...and here in South Florida, it seems to be a damn regular occurance.. I swore I'd NEVER ride a sport bike, but... here I am...severely aware of the risks.. I love riding my bike, it's a joy in so many ways...a joy that I'd like to enjoy for many years to come...and if I never had to take care of, see or hear about another bike crash as long as I live...I'd be more than happy...ya' know? | ||
| Diablobrian |
Also recognize that although the majority of pictures on that site are of sport bikes, many accidents occurring these days involve new riders on large cruisers, most of the time wearing no gear with the exception of a very minimal helmet, if that. These people have been indoctrinated that a helmet will "break their neck in a crash, and that straight pipes will save their life instead. Perpetuating these myths is nearly criminal when you consider the lives lost each year. While there are many squids running around in shorts and t-shirts, as a whole, sport riders are more likely to be wearing at least partial gear. Usually helmet, jacket, and gloves. This can be very helpful in case of an accident. It is usually easy to spot a rider that has gone down before. They are the ones wearing full gear even though it's hot. You can probably imagine the number of times I've been asked "aren't you hot in all of that?" A fellow badwebber coined the quote I've been using lately: "I'd rather sweat than bleed" It's more eloquent than anything I came up with even though I've had the question posed to me for years. FWIW the Joe Rocket reactor jacket I was wearing during my accident is still in service, and while I did very little sliding, I received absolutely zero road rash. } | ||
| Oldog |
thanks all for the inputs on the mesh The vids have some stills that make you wonder. Angle thanks for responding. Just a thought on the I have to be almost psychic at times to anticipate what may happen and to better my skills every single time I ride, I dont know how long you have ridden, that attitude WILL keep you alive. I think what happens over time is that you learn to watch for tell tale signs of innatention, agitation, or erratic driving. say the quickness of the drivers head turn in the drive way in front of you, facial expressions movement of the car. The skills that I picked up riding over the years have saved my truck once this year I am approcaching an intersection kid in a fast food work shirt stops at light TURNS AND LOOKS AT ME and Pulls out, My read as I approached was he looked "dim" - distracted, the car did not stop completely as he moved out. with a distance of 4 cars at maybe 45mph, Im on the horn and evading, I never took my eyes from him or his car, He started in his seat and looked at me as if I had appeared out of no where, as he jerked his car to the shoulder. You will get a sense of these things, like the shift and clutch it will happen in the background, I also plan routes in town and think of traffic levels, ie, stop for gas dont just pull out, if the station is on the corner and the main road I prefer to use the side street exit and the light to enter traffic less variables yes I have to wait "to waste a second of life is a waste, to waste A Life in a second is a tradgity" Old Cuban saying, wish i could remember the spanish for it it is lyrical. | ||
| Beachbuell |
You tend to become a little psychic over time when you ride a motorcycle. I can't tell you how many times I have thought a driver was going to do something (usually stupid) and sure enough they have. It becomes second nature after years of riding, almost comical that one can assume what a driver is going to do and 99% of the time they do it. Its that 1% of the time they do not react like you expected that will get ya. Or was that psycho I was thinking of ?? (Message edited by bEACHBUELL on July 29, 2006) | ||
| Djkaplan |
I don't know if I became psychic, but on Thursday night, a kid in a Jeep pulled out in front of me and I had to swerved to avoid getting sideswiped. I had my eye on him the whole time for some reason. Friday night, I'm coming down the same stretch of road and another kid (this time in one of those Suzuki jeeps) pulls out in front of me... at the very same intersection. What's it called when a psychic has deja vu? |
