| Author | Message | ||
     Jon |
Yeah, that's it Tramp! Then I can (dare I say it?) RULE THE WORLD!!! Case in point: I am taking my tribe up to Oregon for a vacation/roadtrip/exploration thingy. We are going to be off the beaten path often as I am checking out South Eastern Oregon dropping down into Nevada, and then back into Crazyland. Packing heat would be pleasant. Nothing silly mind you, just a little 40 cal. Ditto on the sinner thing and God's forgiveness that is available. I've been thinking I should start a biker BB for bikes AND disussions about God. No censorship. I love talking about God and the scriptures. | ||
| Cochise |
I've been thinking I should start a biker BB for bikes AND disussions about God. No censorship. I love talking about God and the scriptures I know a place, wink, wink  | ||
| Skyguy |
Jon, I also love talking religion. Sadly it can't be done in person with most people much less from behind a keyboard. I have some really different ideas! in fact I could give Art Bell a run for his money and likely end up with an entire show dedicated to my observations.  | ||
| Pwnzor |
A religion-based bbs is a can of worms. Giant worms with venomous fangs and forked tongues and multiple heads. What I've seen is that religious discussions go up to a certain point and then they mostly seem to degrade. It just gets too emotional I think. | ||
| Kdan |
Holy Moly, how come every discussion on this board turns into a god fest? I thought you weren't supposed to hate people if you were a christian? Or is that just "you're not supposed to hate people who aren't Muslim's or Cops"? I got my 10%, let me in! | ||
| Skyguy |
A Catholic priest, a Rabbi and a Muslim cop walk into a bar................... | ||
| Jon |
Cochise, After our Scientology thread got "Gitmo-ed" I was seriously going to ask you, but didn't want to put you in a spot if that would be bad for ATC. I'm game! | ||
| Cochise |
A Catholic priest, a Rabbi and a Muslim cop walk into a bar................... ....bartender says, "What is this, some kinda joke?" (Message edited by cochise on July 12, 2006) | ||
| Jon |
Hah! Let him in! Let him in! He's got 10%!!! Now where's that plate!? | ||
| Cochise |
Jon, bring it. | ||
| Jon |
Brung... | ||
| Blake |
"Holy Moly, how come every discussion on this board turns into a god fest?" You said "holy."  Seriously though, exaggerate much? God bless, Blake | ||
| Blake |
My view is that scientology is a cult. | ||
| Blake |
Oops, forgot to respond to... "I thought you weren't supposed to hate people if you were a christian?" Correct. "Or is that just "you're not supposed to hate people who aren't Muslim's or Cops"?" No. In fact, Christians believe that we must not merely not "hate" our enemies, but that we must love our enemies. The true meaning of that tenet however is in my opinion often misunderstood by secular society and even many Christians themselves. Just like our commandment is mis-stated as "Do not kill" when in truth its original meaning is "Do not murder." Just like "Do not lie" is more correctly stated as "Do not bear false witness againt others." Interesting stuff. Nothing wrong at all with talking about it here. The problem starts when folks cease respecting others and commence posting hateful stuff, you know via gross overgeneralizations and wild exaggerations and stuff like that.  None of us would do that kind of thing though would we? | ||
| Jon |
"My view is that Scientology is a cult". I agree. | ||
| Pwnzor |
"My view is that Scientology is a cult". third that | ||
| Dbird29 |
Jon Check out Denio Junction on your Nevada travels. That is one desolate area! Who cares about all this religion talk anyway? DBird | ||
| Aesquire |
I never met L. Ron, but people I know, who knew him long ago, insist that the "church" was a science fiction writers joke, that got out of hand. 2nd & 3rd hand info. I won't swear by it. It fits my perception that when faith becomes business, it loses the point. I now have a habit of getting a temporary job as night guy down at the convenience store for a few months when I move to a new town. It helps with the police/strange guy issue, and I get to give away free coffee. I get angry, confused responses from people I'm having political arguments with, when I say, "The heck with the personalities of the politicians involved, never mind that we disagree on what percentage of blame to give each one, they all get paid by us & are not making us happy." Then the killer. "Doesn't your (political group/leaning) believe that mostly, we should mind our own business?" That one shorts them out. Since they want to say yes, but have taken the busybody jerk position. I'm also sarcastic. Have a nice day. No, really, I mean it. (maybe I shouldn't put it that way....hmmm) | ||
| Jon |
Tell me about Denio Junction... | ||
| Kdan |
You said "holy." Seriously though, exaggerate much? Exaggerate? Me? Not in a million years! I'm never sarcastic either.  I know, I'm going to hell for that. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Observe the battle to open the door of ultimate knowledge and wisdom of religion.  | ||
| Seanp |
All you cop-haters amuse me, especially those of you who've only got bad experiences with cops. Let's see, I've had a group of people (Iraqis) try to KILL me, but I never hated all of them because of it. I hated the ones who actually tried to kill me, but not the ones who I dealt with every day, and the little kids I saw outside our basecamp, or any of the other millions of Iraqis who were basically good people. And I don't see cops trying to actively KILL anyone here. They're writing you a ticket, doing their job, trying to keep you from being a danger to others. I've had a few speeding tickets, and got pinched once. But I deserved every bit of it, and I respected the cops that did it. And yeah, I may have been pissed off when it happened, and the cop was the focus of my anger. But I got over it quickly, and realized that he was just trying to do what was right. To dwell on it, and hate all cops from then on - well that's just unhealthy. Sure, there are some a-holes, as there are with any profession. Name me one profession in which every single member is a saint. Hell, I'd bet that there are even a-holes working in the Vatican. And any single one of you who says "I hate all cops - they're all a-holes", well, I'd bet that I can think of an instance where I found an ••••••• in your profession, and could make that blanket statement about you. I don't know where I first read this, but it's a good article. Read it, and figure out where you lay in the scheme of things: http://hobbes.ncsa.uiuc.edu/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html | ||
| Tramp |
nice post, seanp. very nice. with combat comes great human revelation. Scientology's been well-lampooned in several movies. Repo-Man comes to mind as a really great one. do scientologists even consider it to be a religion? | ||
| Seanp |
Thanks, Tramp. I think that indoctrination video that was posted on here a few weeks ago made the explicit point that Scientology is a religion. Although I believe it was more for the tax-exempt status than anything, because in the same video they said something about how anyone of any faith can be a Scientologist. | ||
| Djkaplan |
One of my best friends when I was growing up is a cop in my hometown. He used to drive by mom's house every night on his shift to make sure everything was alright. 20 years later, I heard from the same story from another guy we grew up with - he'd drive by his parents house every night, sometimes stopping by to say hello. He's a good guy, but I'm sure there are people he's encountered on the job that don't feel that way (at all). I'm damn glad there are people like this willing to do the job. | ||
| Bomber |
I get stopped every now and again, bout 90% of the time, it's for good cause -- the other 10% of the time, I figure the LEO may be havin a bad day, made a mistake, and chalk it up to my Karma -- I try to remember all the times I COULDA been rightously busted, and wasn't, and figure that I'm still way ahead of the game wow, the religious leakage into threads lately has gotten pervasive, ain't it? a target rich environment, but, with respect for the politically-correct leanings of the board in this regard, I'll avoid comment ;-} | ||
| Skyguy |
Seanp said: "Hell, I'd bet that there are even a-holes working in the Vatican". Did you know that the Vatican has one of the largest and most secretive intelligence agencies in the world? Don't think for a second there are not A-holes working at the Vatican....................... | ||
| Skyguy |
Bomber, using that logic it makes good sense to spank your child every once in awhile just because he probally deserves it. I feel that there should be more adherance to the spirit of the law than the letter of the law. If you are putting no one in danger by you actions other than yourself a ticket is B.S. Speeding in any residential zone is a good reason for a ticket. Speeding through a busy commercial zone is a good reason for a ticket. Speeding on an empty freeway, passing no cars, wearing good gear, on a race designed bike is not desereving of a ticket. Nor is tearing up a canyon at below race pace. I have had one ticket in 13 years and I carve canyons a lot. Been pulled over quite a few times and have always been able to get out of a ticket by having my paperwork in order, saying nothing that I do not have to. When asked how fast I was going I usually just say "oops did not notice this darn HARLEY has a bad speedo sensor and it takes forever to get parts sometimes. I must have been going fast enough to get pulled over though, sorry I was not trying to ride like an a-hole. Works for me I have been pulled over five times in the last two years, no tickets yet. | ||
| Dongalonga |
Skyguy Wrote: I feel that there should be more adherance to the spirit of the law than the letter of the law. If you are putting no one in danger by you actions other than yourself a ticket is B.S. Speeding in any residential zone is a good reason for a ticket. Speeding through a busy commercial zone is a good reason for a ticket. Speeding on an empty freeway, passing no cars, wearing good gear, on a race designed bike is not desereving of a ticket. Nor is tearing up a canyon at below race pace. I actually agree with you completely on this. I believe tickets are deserved when you put others in danger. I have two nieces 3 and 4. People constantly blow the stop sign well above the posted speed limitin front of my house a 25mph thickly settled residential area. That pisses me off and deserve the full punishment the law alots. This is jus one of hundreds of scenarios that deserves tickets. I also wouldnt lie and say I never speed, but like you said I save it for where I will only hurt myself. | ||
| Pwnzor |
"All you cop-haters amuse me" "and could make that blanket statement about you" Funny how you OPENED with a blanket statement. Ok that's out of the way. What is it about my bad experiences that amuses you? Did you fight in Iraq just to come back here and laugh at people being oppressed in your own country? Did you come back here to break the entire population down into only three groups? Sounds to me like YOU are the one generalizing and rushing to judgement. "And I don't see cops trying to actively KILL anyone here." NOBODY said anything about cops killing anyone. "but I never hated all of them because of it." Those Iraqis that tried to kill you weren't wearing identical uniforms and carrying guns issued to them and acting under the guise of the law. Now what I find amusing is that you think a single article will define where I lay in the scheme of things. There are over 300 million people in this country. You can't break them all down by describing them as animals. That mentality is dangerous. And any single one of you who says "I hate all cops - they're all a-holes" Those are YOUR words. You go ahead and quote ME where I said anyone was an a-hole. Since you are fully aware of what it is to engage in armed conflict, let me now ask you this: Have you ever engaged in armed conflict outside your own house, right here in the USA? I have. And I didn't have any body armor, or backup. No night vision, no military training. Thank God all I got were holes in the front of my house. Thank God the other guy (i think) ran out of bullets. Admittedly, I never fired a shot. If had a clear shot, I probably would have. But it was 3am and the first clue I had was what I thought were firecrackers going off outside. At this hour, when I hear a disturbance, of course I am going to investigate, with a pistol in my hand, ready to fire. I did so, and I charged outside (foolishly) thinking to run off some kids. These "kids" had driven by once and riddled my neighbor's house with bullets already. When I got out there, they were making a second pass, and there I am, standing there. *POP*POP*POP* and I dive to the concrete, and start crawling toward the side gate. I figure, stay low, don't fire back because they will get out and kill me. So there I am, crawling for my life as they shoot up the front of MY house. *POP*POP*POP*POP*, a sound I'm sure you've heard many times in much more rapid succession. I am so thankful that I chose not to be a cowboy in that moment, because my children would probably be orphans today. So they drive off... and about 40 minutes later, the cops show up. What do you think they did when I told them I went outside with my pistol? They asked me if there are any other guns in the house. I said "yes, I have other guns here, locked up in my safe." They forced me to open my safe and they emptied it out and took all my guns away from me, leaving me UNARMED. It took almost TWO YEARS to get them all back from DOJ, and I had to pay almost $100 per gun for the privelege of having them returned. You may not think that's much but when it's 34 guns, it's a LOT OF MONEY THAT I'LL NEVER GET BACK. Not to mention I had to go buy a new gun the next day so I would feel safe in my own house. Those cops did nothing for me or anyone else that night. In my observations, this behavior among officers is uniform. Last time I checked, every cop car says the words "to protect and SERVE" on it. Don't falsely tell me I'm making blanket statements. Don't, then, in the same writing try to lump me into one of three groups. Your service to the United States of America does not place you above me, or in a position to judge me. You don't know me from Adam. However, we are all entitled to our opinions. "I hate cops" is an opinion. I never said "everyone should hate cops." I never even said "you, he, she, they, them, us, anyone should hate cops." I will say again, I don't hate the man, I hate the job. By the way, I am always polite and cooperative with police officers. Even though I don't like them. You could ask any cop I ever dealt with in person what they thought of me, and NONE of them would indicate the seething hatred I held for them. Because it doesn't come out. Because I know exactly how to deal with them. It's quite simple really. Here in this forum, a place for the free exchange of ideas and opinions, I can say I hate cops. You can all take away from that whatever you want. You don't like what I say, then don't read my threads, or any thread I post on for that matter, it's your right to do so. So long as I am polite and cooperative, the moderators here will allow me to keep posting away, which I will do until somebody boots me. It is nobody's right to post anything here, it is a privelege afforded us by our host. |
