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Skyguy
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 12:45 pm: | 
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I think part of my luck regarding tickets is due to a simple pick my places to play attitude also. I do not go to the usual spots on the weekends, in fact all of my canyon scraping is done mid week, middle of nowhere.
I have been pulled over for 83mph on the 18 hwy mid week and told to not exceed 75 anymore..............Not bad as the speed limit is 55. The lady chippie knows who I am from my weird yellow truck and thought I was riding well so let me go.
She could have fried me!
157mph on Mount Emma road. Did not realize the truck coming up the hill was a chippie.
He turned around and raced back down the hill to catch me. I was already pulled over awaiting arrest at the stop sign. The officer rolled down his window and asked (purple in the face) if I always parked my bike in the middle of the road. I replied no sir, He said MOVE IT OFF THE ROAD!!! and then winked and said "dont get caught again either...................
Two of us going 120mph through Joshua Tree 6:00am one day. Pull into the park and ride about 15 over for five minutes before we get pulled over. Officer announces we are getting tickets for 55 in a 45. My buddy asks for a break at which time the officer replies "I have been trying to catch you boys for nearly ten minutes. I told my friend to shut up and the officer that we would not be fighting this one.
Not all cops are A-holes. I can prove it. |
Skyguy
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 01:00 pm: |
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Humans are capable of terrible crimes against others. Sadly the powers that be think Americans should not have the right to bear arms. Personally I think an armed society is a polite society (Muslim countries excluded).
Pwnzor a friend of mine is going through thousands of dollars right now because he had an un-concealed gun in his truck with a loaded clip (nothing in the chamber). He was pulling into Hunter Liggett to go pig hunting (with a big pistol) when he got pulled over. The officer saw the gun and asked if he had anymore. Craig said he did and told the officer where they were. The officer found an empty beer can in the truck and a small bag of pot.
He took his guns and the D.A. is asking for 90 days in County and forfeiture of all of his guns (tens of thousands of dollars worth of collectables). Even though it clearly states in the penal code that a licensed hunter in a designated hunting area can do what Craig did. Included in the charges is carrying a concealed weapon. Kinda funny how a gun in plain sight became "concealed".
There is nothing fair about the way things are being run here in the States. It is not getting any better anytime soon.
BIG BROTHER IS HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 01:02 pm: |
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I never said they were a-holes. I said I hate them. There is a big difference.
I've been let go by a cop once, it was a motorcycle cop. I was riding my first bike home from having just purchased it. I was underaged, not licensed, no shoes(sandals), no shirt, no helmet. AND I blew through a stop sign. He pulled me over and lectured me, and let me go. Told me to put on some shoes, never mentioned the helmet. (no law here for that at the time)
It doesn't make up for the rest. |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 01:10 pm: |
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I am currently charged with the same thing, among others.
You don't have to tell me about Big Brother, he's been here quite a while now. I am fully aware of the transformation our country is undergoing. It is communism, heading toward fascism. |
Skyguy
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 01:14 pm: |
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Pwnzor, You got out of a motorcycle cop ticket?!! Now thats talent. I have never gotten out of anything when pulled over by a motorcop. I have never met a motorcop I liked lol.
In fact I hardly shed a tear when I heard that one of our least favorite motornazis up at the Crest got injured when he clipped a car passing on the double yellow recently. That guy loved to hand people tickets as they were being ambulenced out. He got me once for 6mph over. I truly wish him a long and painfull recovery.
I am not thrashing on you for your attitude Pwnzor. You have already shown me what you are all about and I think you must be a fun guy to hang out with. I am a few years older than you though and I will just bet that someday you will meet a cool cop or two.
I would like to invite you out on one of our little mid week rides. Maybe if you were on the recieving end of some fair officers (and decent riders) it would change the way you felt. Not that changing the way you feel is nessecary, it is not. It does change perspective though.
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Bomber
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 01:52 pm: |
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Sky -- funny analogy -- only difference is that I'm in charge of spanking my kid, or not ;-}
now that I think of it, I'm in charge of getting pulled over, too -- generally, if I don't break a law, I don't get pulled over ;-}
choosing the time and place of your scofflawness (izat a word) is, of course, good advice - -fully agree with the concept of putting other at risk, or not -- most laws and LEOs seem to, as well
I find it interesting that those with many tickets have trouble w/LEOs -- those with few, not quite so much --
we all make our own choices, of course -- and each of those choices has a consequence |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 01:57 pm: |
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no doubt Skyguy. I'd love to have you show me around in your neck of the woods. I've been up that way a few times, but was always "on my way" somewhere so didn't really get to explore the back roads much. Saw a bear last time, sitting on his haunches looking right at me as I rounded a curve on 138.
I don't intend to encounter any police, if for no other reason than the fact that I don't ride all that fast. I usually always bring up the rear on a group ride, somebody has to. I don't mind following another biker's pace because I'm not in a race.
As for getting out of a motorcycle ticket, I never got a ticket in the first place. He let me go, and I said nary a word. He just gave me a speech. Told me to watch my speed if I was going back into Long Beach because "they tow bikes for anything over there". Only motorcycle ticket I ever got was not actually a moving violation because it was for non-payment of toll on the 241. I had forgotten to take my transponder out from under the pillion and it didn't scan. CHP sitting there with his own scanner, and he showed me in the CVC book that the transponder MUST BE IN PLAIN VIEW. $141.85 , 3 trips to the court, and 1 trip to the chp office is what that one cost me, for a $0.35 toll.
Hey Seanp is this you? If not, this guy might be your twin.
 
I saw your profile pic, thought you might look familiar, and then searched my images and found this, damn striking similarity, don't ya think? Nice bike, in any case. That was at the American Sport Bike barbeque 8-29-2004. |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 02:05 pm: |
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"I find it interesting that those with many tickets have trouble w/LEOs -- those with few, not quite so much --"
How many tickets do I have? 1 moving violation in my entire driving history. 1 for non payment of toll. Both within the last year, since I moved here. Once again, I do have an arrest record, but NO convictions, on ANY charge. According to my lawyer, this means I have no criminal record. Tell that to the cop pulling me over who won't approach my vehicle until backup arrives. My record will be getting sealed after this fiasco is over, so perhaps the cops will act differently from here on out when they pull me over. But for now, an heretofore innocent man is persecuted because of some garbage on a screen. The cops don't look at convictions, they see your arrests and what you have been charged with. They don't bother to read any further than that. Why, when I am sitting handcuffed in a filthy urine-soaked cell should I have to listen to deputies berating me verbally about how I'm "looking at my third strike" and trying to worry me with their little tactics when they won't even read to the bottom of the screen and see that I've actually never been convicted of anything so therefore have no priors?
Perhaps you weren't referring to me? Or maybe it was just another blanket statement. |
Bomber
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 02:17 pm: |
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wellsir, since you've remarkably few tickets, I couldn't possible have been writing about you, could I
it was, in fact, intended as a broad characterazation -- hope your legal troubles get scared away, and soon |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 02:27 pm: |
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sorry Bomber, guess I jumped the gun a bit. I'm sure you understand, based on the tack of this thread.
On the ticket thing, I would actually tend to agree that according to statistics, people who get tickets, get tickets, and people who don't, don't.
My legal troubles will go the same way they always have. It's just the inconvenience of it all, robbing me of my most precious resource. Time. Few seem to mention to the fact that wrongfully accused people never get their time back. That, on top of the financial burden, can ruin a family's prosperity which was so hard-earned. This thing has cleared out all my mad money, and soon it will go into my savings. For naught. So my lawyer can buy a bigger boat.
Let's not forget it's our TAXES paying for the whole charade on behalf of the State of California as well.
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Bomber
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 02:34 pm: |
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no worries sir -- i've been known to jump a gun from time to time ;-}
law and justice are not the same, sadly -- |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 02:36 pm: |
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law and justice are not the same, sadly --
F*ckin-a right |
Skyguy
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 02:40 pm: |
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In my opinion every dime should be returned if no conviction is made. That it costs money to defend yourself when not convicted or innocent in a lawsuit is a real crime. Theft pure and simple.
Many years ago the CHP showed up at a favorite spot one Sunday and flatbedded every bike with any tpe of equipment violation. Took 25+ bikes. Cops flat out said you will all get your bikes back but this is about making it INCONVENIENT AND EXPENSIVE for you to come out here and race around.
We need to revolt. Problem is Americans are for the most part, sheep. |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 02:51 pm: |
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You're right about that Skyguy, we are letting them do it to us.
Electoral college, my arse.
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Dongalonga
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 03:25 pm: |
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I really wish you the best Pwnzor. I know it may not be possible but movin out of the "Great" State of California might not be a bad idea. I never liked the similarities of living in MA. I have to say VT is much more open minded and I think it is because we have more people like you and myself around. I believe in freedom with framework so to speak. We have to have some rules and regulations or there would be complete anarchy. I believe in the right to arm oneself completely as well. If everyone has arms I believe crimes with what are now illegal arms would go down dramatically. Feel free to email me anytime to dicuss you views on these or any other issues. I bet we have a lot more in common than you think. Just because you are in law enforcement doesn't mean you have to agree or enforce something you believe to be unfair. |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 03:35 pm: |
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I've got my eye on northern Nevada, Montana and New Hampshire. Gotta get junior done with high school first. The missus and I are fed up with the cost of living and the wacky government. When we sell this place, I'm selling my tractor too, and we're going to buy a new W9 with a condo sleeper, and my own reefer trailer (no pun intended). We'll wander the country a bit, focusing on the places I mentioned. When we find what we want, we'll settle again. Two more years here and we can get on with our lives.
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Dongalonga
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 03:55 pm: |
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New Hampshire is nice, but Vermont is far more open to what I think you might be looking for. It is really all about what makes you happy though, so I hope you can find what you are looking for. Sometimes a change of scenery can change your whole perspective on life. |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 04:59 pm: |
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More trees, less people. Critters and such. Yummy critters. |
Dongalonga
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 06:32 pm: |
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hell more cows than people  |
Captpete
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 02:21 am: |
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I've had some pretty good LEO experiences while on bikes. Got pulled over in my hometown in Florida by a young guy who didn't look a day over 16. That was probably my perspective. I was riding the two miles from one side of the island to the other. The road was more than four lanes wide, but the only marking was a double center stripe running its entire length. I ended up behind some tourists doing about 15mph, and it got to the point where I just couldn't stand it any longer, so I cracked the throttle and popped around them without ever crossing the centerline. I never saw the cruiser coming down the hill at me when I decided to pull that stunt. He turned his lights on as soon as he saw what I had done, and by the time he turned around and got to me I was off the road and standing next to the bike with helmet off, leather jacket unzipped, gloves off, and my wallet in my hand.
I couldn't believe what happened next. This young kid got out of his car and started apologizing for pulling me over. Something like, "I'm sorry, but I had to pull you over. There were too many people around and it would have looked really bad if I'd kept on going. Boy, that's a nice looking bike. You know, I've got about another two months and I'll have enough for a down payment on a bike. I’m really getting excited about it. But I can’t afford a Harley yet… that’ll have to come a little later."
Can you believe it? We talked motorcycles for another fifteen minutes or so and then waved goodbye to one another. What a nice young man. I hope he sticks with his profession, and never gets jaded with it. With an attitude like that at such a young age, I doubt he'll turn into a power abuser.
Another time out in Colorado I got pretty lucky. It was the same trip as the one I wrote about in the fishing story in the Tale section. We had found our way to Durango where we were going to hang out for a few days with a mutual friend there. I got up early one morning before anyone else was stirring and it was so darned pretty out I just decided I'd crank the S1W up and head out of town and look for some side road to investigate. I hadn't found a side road yet, but everything was going just fine. Almost no traffic, cool, great early morning light, and I was just humming along at 85, right where the wind balanced my weight on the Crossroads handlebars. At one point a state trooper on a Harley passed me coming from the other direction. I slowed down just a little for the passing, and never thought about him again. I guess I never looked in the rear view mirror again either, for a little while later I caught some motion out of the corner of my left eye. It was that trooper pulling up next to me at 85mph.
Well, we stopped, and a bunch of very gray hair fell out of my helmet when I took it off, and I think that probably helped a lot. He asked me where I was going in such a big hurry, and I just told him the truth: no place, really... just out enjoying the early morning ride. I also think that the fact that the bike had Guam plates on it, and the name on my Florida driver's license was different from the one on the bike registration helped a bit as well. I had answers for all the questions, but the story was pretty convoluted. I think maybe he decided it was just too darned complicated. Anyway, he told me to slow it down a little and enjoy my ride in Colorado. And off he went. Happy day.
I had another good one just a couple of miles from CycleRama when I was breaking in an engine. I thought it was maybe starting to sound a little funny but I was pretty gun shy, and not sure if it might just be me. Anyway, I wanted to get off at the next exit and get it shut down quick. I made the exit but don’t remember exactly what I did at the top of the ramp. I know I took a right and rode down the sidewalk for a ways at one point and then crossed the street and shut it down. Next thing I know, a cop pulls up behind me, jumps out of his car and starts screaming at me. I mean, he was pissed. But the words that stick out in my memory most are dumb and stupid. He was claiming that he came just this close to running over me. I still don’t know when or where that was. Maybe he had to drive up on the sidewalk I had just come off of? I never will know, I guess. But while he was ranting and raving, I was getting undressed, and once again when the helmet came off, I think he started feeling bad about talking that way to a dumb old man. He let me go. I don’t think I ever told Pammy about that. Well, there ya go, you good-lookin, redhead, you.
This getting old isn’t all bad. It’s starting to work on the women, too. I’m getting to the point where they’re starting to think I’m helpless. Heh, heh, heh. If I can just get control of the drooling!
Reminds me of the story about the old guy in the house of ill repute. He’s standing at the foot of the bed on his rickety old knobby legs, getting ready for action. Along with a condom, he pulls a set of earplugs and one of those nose-pincher things the swimmers use out of his kit bag. The girl is starting to wonder what’s going on, and asks what he needs that stuff for. “Well, honey,” he says, “there’s two things I can’t stand, and that’s the sound of a screaming woman and the smell of burning rubber.”
Opps… sorry about the verbose post.
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Seanp
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 03:55 am: |
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Pwnzor - nope, that's not me. Wish it were though, because that's a good-looking bike!
As far as the a-hole comment, I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. It wasn't a personal attack on you, just any of the folks who hate cops as a whole. I can understand why you hate cops, especially after reading that story about losing all your guns. That would piss me off too. But like I said, it's got to be emotionally draining to hate a group for so long. There are good cops out there. I grew up around cops, and I know a lot of outstanding men and women in blue who I would gladly share a foxhole with.
Last night I was actually talking with a cop who is a reservist, stationed out here with my unit. He was telling me that the cops in his area, (a smaller city) go through a phase after they've been on the job a while. They start to look at everyone in a bad neighborhood as a criminal, whether that person has done something or not. It's just that the cop sees so much crime occurring in the neighborhood, and it starts to seem like there can't be anything good about that place.
He said that the good cops outgrow that phase, and the bad ones either get kicked off the force or leave the force. So perhaps you've just had experience with cops in that phase of their career, and they're actually good guys, but just going through a phase.
So yeah, there are some a-hole cops. And I can see why you might hate them, due to your experience with them. But there've got to be some out there who, if you didn't know they were cops, would be cool guys to hang out with... |
Arbalest
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 10:16 am: |
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Dongalonga, I believe it was 1967 or 1968, there was one of those little column space fillers in the local paper. It stated that that year was the first year that the people population of Vermont exceeded the cow population. Has Vermont gained more cows, or lost more people? |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 10:45 am: |
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Seanp, this is the second time I've had my guns taken away now. Thanks for seeing my point of view. I think part of the problem with cops around here is that in order to be a Sheriff's Deputy they make them work in a county jail for at least the first two years before they get a car. So they are instantly and ONLY exposed to people who have been arrested. That would make me act like a jerk all the time too. But these people CHOSE to be cops. I didn't.
Now, have another look at that beautiful bike!
Whoever the owner is, I'd sure like to hear about this sweet looking turbo and custom airbox.
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Skyguy
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Pwnzor, There is no doubt sheriffs deputies are a bit more uptight than the usual folks. I also know a couple of L.A. county sheriffs and they are actually way cool when off duty. The thing that bothers me is that they both drink and drive. I think the sheriffs do that more than most.
When they are on duty they usually only mess with those with arrest records.............
Pwnzor, You and I are gonna have to get together and trade stories one day. Ever feel up for a 260 mile canyon loop? We usually ride on Wed. Fair warning though, Don't ask my riding buddies what they do for a living. Just enjoy the fact that a ticket ain't to likely. |
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