| Author | Message | ||
     Superhilti |
I'm looking at replacing the lube in my 2000 M2 and was wondering what lube I should any suggestions? | ||
| Tramp |
I use sport-trans as per mfg. recommendation, but that's not a very popular tack to take, on this site. no probems whatsoever with my trans, and it's got exceptionally tall miles.... | ||
| Bomber |
suggest you take a look at the Knowledge Vault -- this particualr religious war is being fought as we speak -- when I last looked, the Old Testatment League was down by many points to the heretics, who, if they could only band together ad decide on a single majik elixer, would carry the day easily -- | ||
| Jimidan |
Use the stuff that was designed for it...why not? I hear so many folks trying to outguess the engineers on this one. Is it that Buell owners just can't leave anything alone...even recommended tranny oil? jimidan | ||
| Tramp |
thank you jimi. I'll never understand this debate. had my trans given me any problems in the past couple hundred thousand miles, I'd consider something different. weird. | ||
| Blake |
It would just be nice if they would provide specifications that would allow folks to purchase non OEM lubricants. | ||
| Superhilti |
oem it is I just wondered if there was a better alternative but I'm good with HD. Now just for kicks what about engine oil? | ||
| Tramp |
As luck would have it, I use Spectro "Heavy Duty Chaincase Oil Formulated especially for Harley Primary chaincases and Sportster transmissions" Lightspeed code/Dealer Order code: R.GAPCL (Spectro oils, Brookfield, CT., 203-775-1291 fax: 203-775-8720) I pay under $4- Qt. I use Spectro 20-w50 V-Twin formulation in my crankcase | ||
| Newfie_buell |
I've been using Motomaster 75w90 Synthetic. Motomaster is the Canadian Tire Brand. Using it for the past 25,000km and all is well. | ||
| Diablobrian |
I'm liking amsoil right now, but most synthetics will do just fine. | ||
| Jackbequick |
Superhilti, It's all in the KV. And opinions will vary. I like the pricing and availability of Mobil 1 Synthetic at the local "big box" store. I used Mobil 1 15W-50 in the engine and Mobil 1 75W-90 synthetics in my M2 for over a year and it worked fine. The 75W-90 in the primary/transmission seemed to be part of the improvements in clutch action/shifting that occurred after I started working on the bike and changed to Mobil 1 synthetic oils. There are quite a few people here using that same combination. Tramp, I'm confused. First you say you're running sport-trans and then you say you're running the Spectro oils. Is that two different bikes? I'm not familiar with Spectro so I looked for more info and found this: http://www.spectro-oils.com/oilcomparison1.htm If I understand it all, you are running a 20W-50 synthetic in the engine and a 85W synthetic in the primary. And both of those are advertised as being optimized for V-Twins. And, at $4 a quart, you getting that stuff at a pretty good price. I'd probably be inclined to try some of the various "optimized for v-twins" oils if I could them at prices closer to what I'm paying for Mobil 1 ($5 +/- a quart) and did not have to drive long distances or pay shipping costs to get them. Jack | ||
| Cowboy |
Runing 75-90 castrol synthetic in X1 (tranny) found bike shifts better have had no prob. | ||
| Tramp |
jack- the spectro IS sport-trans...they manufacture it for HD. (posted by jackbequick): "If I understand it all, you are running a 20W-50 synthetic in the engine and a 85W synthetic in the primary..." Well, Jack- clearly you don't understand it all, as the link you posted does not claim, state or otherwise imply that the charted lubricants are synthetic. in fact, the spectro which i use for my engine is listed thusly at :http://www.spectro-oils.com/gadata.htm#GA%20Chain/tran "HEAVY DUTY MOTORCYCLE ENGINE OIL ... ... An all-petroleum lubricant, Spectro Heavy Duty contains unique detergent and anti-wear additives to protect iron ....." huh. sumbitch. how do you like that? An all-petroleum lubricant gosh.....I guess tramp's not fulla sh*t after all..... Further, the trans oil I use is: "Spectro heavy duty primary chaincase oil", as I'd cited in an earlier post. here's what the website which you supplied a link to, has to say about it: "HEAVY DUTY GOLD PRIMARY CHAINCASE/ TRANSMISSION LUBRICANT ...... A petroleum based gear lubricant with advanced synthetic technology that incorporates ...." and, technically, the stuff I use isn't even on the site: it's NOT referred to as "Gold" anywhere on the label....Not that it matters, as the "Gold" is petroleum-based, anyway. I'll gladly send you an empty, if you'd like to further research my choice of lubes. I provided the Lightspeed code in my earlier post. incidentally, I'm presently running Drag Specialties "Motorcycle Oil especially blended for V-Twins 20w-50" I get it REALLY cheaply....(under $3- qt) it has an API CI 4/SL service rating, and exceeds all warranty performance criteria for Harley Davidson engines and does not void any associated warranties. And, as always, I run a WIX 51515 or a wal-mart oil filter... oh, I almost forgot: Here's a little sumfin' from the the MSDS on the Spectro Heavy Duty Golden Chaincase Oil: (http://http://www.spectro-oils.com/msds-heavyduty_golden_.htm }Product Name: SPECTROÔ Heavy Duty GOLDEN Primary Chaincase/ Transmission Lubricant .... SECTION 2 PRODUCT COMPONENTS INGREDIENTS CAS#. WT.% EXPOSURE LIMITS . Petroleum Oils 64742-54-7 80-95 5 mg/m3 TWA (OSHA/ACGIH) 64742-65-0 64742-57-0 64742-62-7 64741-884 Non-Hazardous Additives Proprietary 5-15 None Established " saaaaayyyy...maybe we can finally see what sport-trans is MADE from! Anyway- thanks for supplying the link} NEXT! (Message edited by tramp on July 10, 2006) | ||
| Skyguy |
I am partial to Astroglide but will use KY when that is all that is available. opps sorry wrong board...................... | ||
| Ezblast |
Mobil 1 15/50 - top and bottom. GT - JBOTDS! EZ  | ||
| Iamike |
Tramp-It amazes me that you jump all over people on a regular basis and then go bonkers when someone points out one of your inconsistencies. Before you make any post why don't you wait a day and cool off. I'm tired of you criticizing newbies with newbie questions or a person who donates a huge amount of time to help the Buell cause because you felt he slighted someone (Cochise). Most people really dislike no-it-alls, no matter how smart they are. | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
I am partial to a nice shea butter. If that isn't available I use virgin olive oil. You know where they get that from right? Ugly olives. | ||
| Jackbequick |
Tramp, I was floundering around there a little as none of the names matched up perfect and they have quite a few different products. I looked at the same page you linked and I guess I identified your oil wrongly. But as far as Spectro and synthetics, if you start at the top of that page: http://www.spectro-oils.com/gadata.htm and read down on various products the Platinum products are described as full synthetics, the Gold products are identified variously as a synthetic/petroleum blends or a "petroleum based gear lubricant with advanced synthetic technology" (which is ambiguous but sort of sounds like a blend). I have a different interest on lubes now with separate primary and transmission cases on the FXD. I want to buy a better oil and I'm interested in the details. I'll decline the offer for the empties, thanks anyway. I noticed that Spectro buys their base oils "exclusively from ExxonMobil" and I also noticed that their products meet or exceed all H-D requirements. And now you say that SportTrans is a Spectro product. Do you know, do they make the Syn-3 too for H-D too? The MSDS you linked at: http://www.spectro-oils.com/msds-heavyduty_golden_.htm says that oil is only 20-30% petroleum by weight and 60-80% synthetic. So maybe you're not running what you think you are? Jack | ||
| Tramp |
hoo-boy... Two Part Post: First,IAMIKE : "Tramp-It amazes me that you jump all over people on a regular basis and then go bonkers when someone points out one of your inconsistencies. Before you make any post why don't you wait a day and cool off. I'm tired of you criticizing newbies with newbie questions or a person who donates a huge amount of time to help the Buell cause because you felt he slighted someone (Cochise). Most people really dislike no-it-alls, no matter how smart they are." ?????????????????? I explained (using a very fragmented link supplied by jack) what lubes i'm using, in response to jack's misassertion that i'm running something that I'm not. I wouldn't categorize my post as going "bonkers"....and neither should you. I supplied info to clear up a misassertion. and what good, exactly, do you think you're achieveing by bringing up issues which cochise and i have left behind? i think, mike- maybe YOU should have practiced your own advice on this one, and taken a cooling-off period before posting. Now, then, }JACKBEQUICK :} jack- Again, you've repeated a misassertion. the chaincase oil is NOT described as being one bit synthetic... once again, you're confusing (which is, admittedly, easy to do with that page) the first listed lubes on the page with the one which i (spectro heavy duty golden primary chaincase/transmission lubricant...3rd listed in red font)cite (scroll down): ____________________________________________ Petroleum Oils 64742-54-7 80-95 5 mg/m3 TWA (OSHA/ACGIH) 64742-65-0 64742-57-0 64742-62-7 64741-884 Non-Hazardous Additives Proprietary 5-15 None Established" ____________________________________________ the 64741 to 64742 classification(s) indicate petroleum oil. This is the complete list for that product. The synthetics begin with a 68*** number. The trans oil I list is, in fact 100% petroleum product. Currently, they've even removed the "Golden" verbiage from this specific product name, to help quell exactly this confusion. The bottle sitting next to my keyboard does not have the word "Golden" on it, but a few empties I have still do- SAME MSDS. Jack- take a second (I know, their site sucks) look at the MSDS link which you, yourself posted... and you'll see you where, once again, you are mistaken. I know what I'm running.... I grilled the reps when i had a shop account with spectro. They also provide BMW with their synthetic oil. No shame in admitting a mistake. Incidentally, I've said sport-trans is a spectro product for many years, since the rep. advised me of same. Their bases are Mobil, they do the blending (and blending does NOT mean synth/petrol, exclusively....in many cases, it's all-synth blend of various compounds and in others, all petroleum blend with other compounds), and The bottled product for HD. I do not believe they manufacture syn-3 for HD... I don't actually know from whence HD contracts it. I DO know that I don't use straight petrol oil in big twin transmissions. In big twin Transmissions I use strictly, sythetics. The other stuff 'milks up' with ambient water. (Message edited by tramp on July 11, 2006) | ||
| Jackbequick |
Okay, I got it now. And you're right I misread that page again. I took another look. If I had used the four MSDS links from the Spectro home page and then the MSDS printer friendly links from there it would have been a lot easier to sort out the individual products. But now I have Spectro oils pretty well sorted out. I'm a well armed consumer and ready to look for a dealer. :>  I-am_mike, I'll agree that it is easy to read some of hostility or anger into email conversations whether it be intended or not. I work at not putting that in my posts and generally won't react to it because I don't feel good about when I see it later. I don't want to contribute anything to making the BadWeb the Maury Povich Show of motorcycle web sites. Tramp is a nice young man and his experience, background, and knowledge contribute on a diverse number of topics. Sometimes the "frosting" on his contributions can be misread and distract from the quality of the cake. I'm sure that will all work itself out in time. Remember, when you give someone your anger you are giving them control of your mind. Jack | ||
| Jimidan |
You do not have to go the OEM route, and yes, it would be nice if HD provided specifications for its lube, but that is the MoCo for you. As an alternative, RevTech makes a fine "High Performance Gear and Chaincase Lube for Sportsters", and it is only $4.00 a quart. The label says it is for "all 1971 and later XL and XR Harley-Davidson motorcycles". It is also widely available as Custom Chrome distributes it to many bike shops. I have been using it for years. | ||
| Oldog |
Remember, when you give someone your anger you are giving them control of your mind. Jack Nicely Put sir! }I don't want to contribute anything to making the BadWeb the Maury Povich Show of motorcycle web sites. I had a visual of that, or Jerry Springer Too funny Interesting info from both, thanks for sharing | ||
| Jimidan |
Tramp, I think what Mike is talking about is your somewhat obnoxious self-assertive tone, which I believe is just a facet of your writing style (and maybe even an attempt at humor) more than a degradation of the offending party. You were seeming to really enjoy lighting up Jack a bit there!  I have been reading your stuff for years now and I have never taken offense myself, even when it has been directed my way...cause I am a smart aleck myself sometimes. Some of my favorite people have a rather caustic humor. It may just be the way Southerners interpret your North Eastern wit...they forget where you live. I would just chalk it up to things being easily misinterpreted since these folks can't see (if...when?) you wink. Of course, I could be wrong. jimidan | ||
| Tramp |
I was enjoying some chow with mikexlr650 and injunmort last week, and mike made the observation that my online persona is much different than my real-life persona, in that I'm a VERY agreeable and positive guy offline. I told him to shove it up his .... but seriously, I'm fortunate that many of y'all understand that, if you read my sh*t and visualize me with a big grin, while saying it, it'san accurate portrayal. for all of my earnest attempts to be a good world citizen, I am, first and foremost, a New Yorker. please don't be offended by my verbiage. It is NOT intended that way. As I've aisd, Spectro's own website make sit nearly impossible to decipher which lube is which. they list half the motor oils under trans oil, they use the "Gold" monniker on their non-synth stuff....it's madness. I'm trying to stick w/Drag's products, at this point, as it includes free shipping. thanks for any/all understanding, and I apologize for any perceived obnoxiousness. | ||
| Jackbequick |
I'm not thin skinned or stupid either one. I've learned that Tramp needs more than an average amount of ignoring from time to time. And if the consensus is that I was being hammered on and Tramp feels like an apology is in order, I'll be gracious and accept it. No hugs though, too much of that going around. I was sincerely interested in the oil and wanted to sort it out. After looking around for Spectro oil in this area today, I've decided that its probably not worth the trouble to (1) figure out their products, and, (2) find them locally. Jack | ||
| Tramp |
actually, my apologies were directed toward iamike, because he was the only offended party. i understand thin skin, i grew up with a sister. jack deserved any/all sarcasm after first addressing me with it. I appreciate sarcasm, and was anything but offended. when he kept arguing a point on which he was dead wrong, wellllll...for the common good of badweb and buell posterity in general, let's say i felt compelled to right his recurrent wrong. while he might feel that i warrant some ignoring from time to time, i couldn't return the favour, lest some actually begin to belive him. ignoring him would be .,.............ignorant. | ||
| Iamike |
Yeah, maybe it's just a cultural thing between Midwesterners and Easterners. We had a very intelligent engineer from Boston fired from our office because he couldn't help but piss people off. He just couldn't understand that we don't like being talked down to. I still contend that an argument can be handled without slamming the writer, hence my original comment. The tone of his replies when questioned reminds me of the spoiled kid running to mommy when it is pointed out that he is wrong. I still read that he uses Spectro, which isn't specified in my Buell manual. I was slow getting back to this not because I was taking a breath (which I had before my earlier post) but because I do work for a living so I can support my family and pay my bills. I am trying to make up for the time I missed last week while Cochise was graciously showing us around NE Arkansas. | ||
| Tramp |
oh. i get it. i don't work. actually, iamike, spectro is a vendor for several HD lubes, including sport-trans, so it is, by default, indicated by the manufacturer, and your manual, for use in your buell. i guess that, by your presumtuous error, not only do i not work, but i also don't ever graciously show people around my area. huh. dude- reread the posts above. jack began with the sarcasm, not me. neither he nor i had an issue with it. why you brought cochise into this, i'm really not sure- he didn't involve himself in all this. of course, maybe offline, during your gracious riding time, you boys enjoyed some light-hearted chat. keep it offline, as cochise and i have been doing. it's none of your affair. | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
Maybe us North Easterners just like talking down to people and piss them off. Iamaike, that is a horrible generalization. I would say your engineer from Boston was probably just a d**khead, and not because of where he was from. | ||
| Tramp |
I've met many morons who claim that midwesterners are ignorant hicks. I'm fast to check these dipsh*ts on their generalizations, as well. I've met many very cool Iowans, Nebraskans, etc., who were anything but ignorant or red of neck. This generalization BS really has to stop. |
