| Author | Message | ||
     Cyclonemick |
I was reading an article about a company in Brownsburg indiana (not far from my home) that has created a brake that uses a 360 degree brake pad. Have any of you heard of this yet? It was designed to create a clean look on custom bikes since it doesen't use a conventional rotor or pads and is very small in size (hub)After testing is has proven to have a much better stopping distance than conventional brakes. | ||
| Mattwhite |
Sounds hot. I think the rest of the rotor gets to cool down a bit while it's off the pads. The first stop could be good, but I would expect it to get worse as it warms up. Fine for a chopper that doesn't really use front brakes anyway. | ||
| M1combat |
Once you have enough power to lift the rear or lock the front... braking distance is "ALL" about geometry, not braking torque. Any modern sport bike should have WAY more power than what's needed to face plant the rider. Adding more torque will do nothing at all for the stopping distance. Only adding rake, lowering the CG, moving the CG rearwards etc can reduce stopping distance. On a chopper the same is true but you generally end up locking the tire as opposed to lifting the rear. Raising the CG may help in this case. My point is that once you do have enough power... Only geometry changes will help. That said... A brake setup that's easier to modulate at the threshold of tire grip may allow a less skilled operator to stop quicker. | ||
| Blake |
"Have any of you heard of this yet?" Drum brake?  | ||
| Roadrailer |
Drum brake? Beat me to it... | ||
| Cowboy |
I wish some one would post a drawing of it, If it brakes at the drum as stated instead of braking 2 the rim as does the XB models it will require one hell of a lot of energy to function | ||
| Tq_freak |
I saw these guys in daytona and talked to them for a while about it (they even gave me a free hat) its a pretty cool but bulky set up, it bolts to the hub of the bike and uses clutch plates and a basket for the brake. so when you squeese the master its like disengauging the clutch, there is a slave cylinder in the basket and it applies pressure to the plates and makes resistace and slows the bike down. When I talked to them they only had the front brake figured out and they were working on a rear set up. It did help to clean the front wheel up but the hub on one side of the spokes was bigger then the other side and in my mind looked alittle weird. I dont think they had any applications for the sport bikes but was more geared towards cruizers and choppers like everything is anymore. (Message edited by Tq_freak on July 06, 2006) | ||
| Cyclonemick |
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| Roadrailer |
Why not just post the link, CM? http://baldwin-wilson.com/360.html | ||
| Cowboy |
OK tks. I can see force is applied from long leaver going to HUB | ||
| Blake |
There is no free lunch in brakes. The heat produced will be the same no matter what brake is used. A smaller mass with less exposed cooling surface will result in higher temperatures. Unless it has some kind of forced air cooling system. I'm very skeptical about applicability to sport biking. Is there an exloded view drawing of the thing anywhere? Not much detailed information on the web site, or I didn't see it if it is there. | ||
| Roadrailer |
On another note, they do have the first-hand account of this "expert" on their FAQ page: “You have to ride it. It is so amazing; the controlled feeling is like nothing you have ever felt before. On a panic stop locking up the rear tire at high speed, (60-70 mph) you have a very controlled skid, no rear wobble or kick out feeling. I get goose bumps talking about it because it is such a safe feeling brake. I’m confident that it will help prevent many possible accidents in the future. Part of the stopping distance testing that I did with the 360 brake performing better than either a factory Harley or a factory Yamaha V-max, could possibly be, that with such a safe feel you are able to apply more braking knowing that you have a much less chance of loosing control.” Comments made by test rider Gary Miller June 2006 Locking the rear at 60-70 mph?  Sounds like a good way to die. And how, exactly, is is a locked rear with the 360 brake any different than a locked rear with any other brake? | ||
| Diablobrian |
Harley and v-max brakes are hardly the benchmarks of the industry. | ||
| Blake |
Sounds like pure huckster scam to me. | ||
| Hattori_hanzo |
Have you guys seen this?  I read an article at motocycleusa.com about them in February, "A patented counter-rotating brake rotor design is the brainchild of inventor Robby Kasten, who believes the new innovation will reduce steering effort at high speeds and eliminate tankslappers." Looks interesting. Check out the videos on their website here: http://www.reverserotatingrotors.com/ | ||
| Blake |
"Have you guys seen this?" Yes, looks like a truly viable solution to eliminate gyroscopic effect in the front wheel, but it adds a bunch of unsprung mass. Interesting though. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/32777/176078.html http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/4062/177487.html | ||
| Cowboy |
My 00.2 worth from my point of view the XB bikes have the best system out to day, | ||
| Sleez |
plus, there will be some parasitic drag to counter rotate! | ||
| Microchop |
Isn't The "patented" 360 brake just like a Multi-disk brake found on a DC-9 or other large plane? This also points to the inappropriateness of this design for motorcycles, that is, airplanes only have to really stop hard once per flight...at the end of it, leaving plenty of cooldown time before the next use. | ||
| Microchop |
Isn't the "patented" 360 brake just like the brakes found on the DC-9 or similar large aircraft? the cooling time for these brakes after stopping an aircraft is measured in minutes. I don't think that a brake like this, scaled down, has enough surface area to offer cooling on par with that of 1 or 2 large rotors...not a good brake for a bike. | ||
| Microchop |
Oh, my first post DID go through....  | ||
| Aesquire |
Well, Norton used to have a triple leading shoe ( most cars use leading/trailing shoes, so the brakes work in reverse, & the geometry lets you use 1 slave cylinder ) front brake with big air intakes for cooling. Best working drums you can imagine. Unless it rained. | ||
| M1combat |
"My 00.2 worth from my point of view the XB bikes have the best system out to day," Apparently some moto-gp racer guy agrees with you. | ||
| Swampy |
Yes but the brake only has to function once, to stop the chopper when it slowly pulls up to the bike show..... |
