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Toona
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 01:15 pm: | 
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Toona- you DO realize that all 'those other religions' make pretty much the same case, right?
Hmmm, I've never heard of any other religion claiming their leader to have been crucified, buried and rising again.
the one and only reason you're even christian is because some mean-ass romans, bent on world domination, forced christianity on your forefathers.
? If that is so, then why was it the Romans who crucified Christ? If they were so intent on making Christianity a world religion, I think they would have promoted Christ rather than kill Him.
you're simply the sheepish follower of what your parents told you, and their parents told them.
Wow, you're good. You know my whole family history and have never met me! You couldnt't be farther from the truth. I wouldn't call my family history Christian/religious based. My parents are Christians, but I wouldn't call my grandparents the same, or my great grandparents either. My brother traced our family tree back to the mid 1800's. Our family changed their name from Bacon to Baker to dis-associate themselves from a cattle rustler.
It comes down to what or who you believe in. I choose to believe in Jesus Christ and His teachings. If you don't, that is your choice.
We can agree to disagree, it looks like I am not going to change you, and you won't change me. Teachers and scholars alike have been debating this topic for years, so I doubt that our discussion on a motorcycle forum will bring an end to it. |
Toona
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 01:18 pm: |
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Pwnzor, what facts am I missing? I have tried to post facts to back up all of my statements.
I haven't seen any "facts" to support any of your statements against what I have posted.
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Bubabuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 01:19 pm: |
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Toona an Buba, your opinions overshadow your facts.
Which is what exactly - that it's not in the constitution? Ok, fact. But so? As I said either was the freedom of blacks from slavery. So your point is really meaningless.}
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Pwnzor
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 01:23 pm: |
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Oh come on, READ what I wrote. I never said you were missing anything. I'm done with this. If it's your assertion that somebody who never heard of Jesus is going to hell because of it, then you're welcome. I don't really care what you or anyone else thinks and I can't believe I've been baited into this idiotic conversation where everyone lets their emotions get in the way.
And Buba, your answer is "fact, but SO?" FACTS ARE FACTS
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Bubabuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 01:27 pm: |
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That didn't take long.
And again your statement's meanignless as I'll wager they wanted us, to this day, to still be Christian slave owners as they both were not in the consitution. Nice bait.
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Skyguy
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 02:22 pm: |
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Buba, It took longer than I thought it would........ Just once it would have been nice to see a discussion about religion or politics not get emotive. |
Skyguy
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 02:26 pm: |
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Anyone who says humans are more evolved than animals is way wrong. We might have thumbs but we have very little control over our emotions.
Bannanas all around, soft music playing in the background and off to your cages. |
Bubabuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 02:51 pm: |
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Too nice of day to bicker. I guess in matters of opinion debate really is pointless. |
Tramp
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 03:21 pm: |
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well-put, bbb.
we're all gonna die anyway. why waste any time on this stuff?
...of course, i'm clearly not going to heaven..... |
Ducxl
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 03:47 pm: |
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What would a Zoroastrian do? |
Cochise
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 05:11 pm: |
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All excellent posts. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't see as many emotions as are lead on that there are. At least my emotions are in check. I have taken a break though, to watch the best movie I have seen in a looong time....Cars. ANyway back to the topic at hand. r.e. living in a theocracy. Oops, we ARE living in a theocracy. This Nations leaders pray to the Lord daily, and ask for his guidance. In God (most of us) we trust.
2Ch 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
The Joonighty Stace will not always follow along under the Lord's guidance, we will fall from the Lord's graces. The United States will not fall because we fought in Iraq. It WILL fall, however, if the Country keeps turning farther and farther away. Shoot, it may not be in our lifetime, which I hope not. Just a few years ago, the people were saying, "Quit saying prayers in class, take the Ten Commandments out of the Schools, there is too much pressure on our kids."
Now the kids are bringing guns into school and there are fights all the time (ok, maybe not daily, but you understand) Now people are saying, "What can be done to keep kids from doing this stuff to each other and to themselves?"
How do you think this country was founded? It was founded, yes, to get out of England, but why? To escape Religious persecution by England.  Guess what now, there is the same thing going on at this time. Nobody is cramming anything down anybody's throat. Just remember, "If you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that screams is the one you hit. |
Bubabuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 05:13 pm: |
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Prayer in public school is a slap in the face of those who don't practice your religion. To say that it's a Christian Theocracy is also an insult to every Jew, Budhist and non-Christian alike. Plain and simple. Can we end this once and for all?
Edited to mention - your favorite road quote in your profile is REAL Christian of you hypocrite. That about sums it up nicely. Sheesh. I guess you felt the urge to change it a tad from the original quote. Albeit slightly, hmm?
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Buellzebub
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 05:32 pm: |
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South Park covered them all...
mormons
scientologists
catholicks
jews
buddha, mohamad, jesus, moses and god
(god was a four foot tall troll that liked to catch flies with his tongue)
did you know that god had to open up heaven to more than just mormons in order to win the battle of the universe against satan and the evil sith lord
i personally believe in motorcycles |
Cochise
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 05:34 pm: |
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Maybe I am wrong, but I don't see as many emotions as are lead on that there are
Edited to mention - your favorite road quote in your profile is REAL Christian of you hypocrite.
Nope, I was wrong
I will say that I am not perfect, nobody is.
I guess I don't see the hypocrisy in the statement about favorite RIDES, it's called comedy ZIINGGG!!!!
When somebody starts to "lose" a fight, they start looking for things to throw at you, and might I say, your stretching here. |
Cochise
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 05:44 pm: |
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South Park covered them all...
I think it's funny how Isaac could freely make fun of all the "religions", but when they said something about his, he got upset and left the show.
I can laugh about "religion"
How many_______ does it take to change a light bulb?
1. Charismatics: Only one, since their hands are always in the air anyway.
2. Presbyterians: None. God has predestined when the lights will be on. And off.
3. Pentecostals: Ten. One to change the bulb, and nine to pray against the spirit of darkness.
4. Catholics? None. They always use candles.
5. Episcopalians: Ten. One to actually change the bulb, and nine to say how much they liked the old one.
6. Church of Christ: None. There was no evidence in the New Testament that light bulbs were ever changed.
7. Baptists: CHANGE?!? |
Bubabuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 05:52 pm: |
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It's called comedy ZIINGG.
I see. Comedy at the expense of others. You're absolutely right. You're not perfect, In fact, IMO, you're most likely an 'A' typical Sunday Christian who I'd wager 6 days a week does anything but act accordingly to the doctrine you preach from. But hey, you're not perfect. Only on Sunday. I've seen quite a few of those weekend types in my lifetime. |
Cochise
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 06:06 pm: |
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Well, on Sunday AND wednesday. Here is why being a Christian is tough. No matter what, you are under a microscope. You know, about a month ago, you are correct, I wasn't even a Christian at Church, so being one on Sundays, to me, is quite a step in the right direction. Also, I will now go and change my favorite rides comment that keeps biting me in the butt, even though the first time it (Favorite rides: Your mom was) was written was when I signed up back in September of 2005, then changed when Pwnzor said close to the same thing as you and I changed it to NOT your mom, but I will change it again. |
Skyguy
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 07:12 pm: |
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Bubbabuell, A debate is fun. Digging for things to use as ammo to call names with is not............
I am not a big fan of religion but I am a fan of letting people believe whatever they want to believe.
Of course this is only as long as they don't try to hurt me in the name of their religion..............
Now play nice!
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Oldog
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 07:14 pm: |
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Prayer in public school is a slap in the face of those who don't practice your religion. To say that it's a Christian Theocracy is also an insult to every Jew, Budhist and non-Christian alike.
Realy?
In this country there is freedom to follow what ever faith you choose EXCEPT christianity.
Taking
"IN God WE trust" off of the money
"one nation under GOD" out of the pledge
The "ten commandments" out of sight
And Prayer out of schools
How long till the churches are shut?
I remember the lords prayer being said in school 1st grade specificaly,
When I was in the 4th grade one of the childern in my class was a j-witness, and was excused in class from saying the pledge, After a brief explanation by the teacher nothing else was said, and she (the fellow student) sat silently during the pledge
I dont think that they say the pledge at all now, some one got offended.
No prayer means:
That the moslem students who would pray 5 times daily bowing toward mecca, can't Or the fact that the moslem "sabbath" is Friday so they can't be excused to go to the Mosque. Carrying copies of the Quran or the Torrah, whay thats contraban
No exceptions,
most schools have or had no hats inside rules would leave most young jewish men with out the small prayer cap that they wear, possibly the young moslem women with out the scarf that they cover their heads with.
you wait till the ACLU gets that one,
has it helped conditions?
Ask the students at Collumbine Highschool
Go to India,China, or Korea Christians are beaten, jailed and murdered with regulairity, so much for Budist or Hindu tollerence.
Before the taliban was ousted Afganistan was not a safe place for women or non moslems, they were not to tollerant of any other beliefs than theirs.
Read up on Moslem history, its interesting
Muhamads last wife was 9 years old when he married her he was 63 at the time, the marrige was consumated when she was 12.
Read up on scientology or the Mormon church its interesting
Then read the bible if the truth of it is not apearent then concider me a kook
you see what Toona, Cochise and Myself have is a growing relationship with the living son of GOD, Grace and forgiveness that is what We have, you may Take what Joe says as truth as I have seen these same things happen in my life time and time again
based on the Carlin monolog quote I have to ask what is wrong with posting the 10 commandments?
what is offensive about?
1.you will no other gods before me
2.you will not make "graven" images(statues and the like) of me
3.you will not take my name in vain
4.remember your day of prayer and rest and keep it seprate.(holy)
5.honor your father and mother
6.you will not kill
7.you will not commit "adultry"
this is sex out of marage, seduction of a married or unmarried person other than your spouse)
8. you will not steal
9. you will not lie about others
10 you will not "covet"
Me.
I would like to see that if students WANT to say a prayer that they can with out interfeerence, reguardless of religion.
That Evolution is properly explained as an EDUCATED GUESS and that some choose to believe that an all powerfull creator made every thing as another possible explanation.
That Merry Christmas be acceptable for a holiday greeting, and using it is not an attempt to offend any one.
A couple of thoughts here
Christianity exploded in Russia after the fall of the Soviet system, it is growing at a staggering rate in China even against stiff punishment for the belief, and their standard of living is improving.
The U.S. and many European countries have significant christian populations, I too believe that as these groups move away from their faiths the countries will suffer decline
History bears me out here.
I am Christian
I am not perfect
If you are interested that is Great
If your not OK too, it is your choice that is FREE WILL
I hope that this thread goes on for a while
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Court
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 07:25 pm: |
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Actually the last time I spent significant time with Keith Code all I really wanted was to ride better, not a revelation.
I was not required to proclaim my religious beliefs to get in either. Although Reg and I, on separate occasions, darn near saw God over the couple of days....not sure if that counts. |
Oldog
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 07:32 pm: |
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No matter what, you are under a microscope. You know, about a month ago, you are correct, I wasn't even a Christian at Church, so being one on Sundays, to me, is quite a step in the right direction.
I'ts a journey You wrestle with it every day, some days are better than others as you move along you change.
What I have found is that most folks that react violently to "hipocracy" find that the "expected behavioural tennants" run counter to their life style, this tends to make them uncomfortable, so the hipocracy call justifies the rejection....
ask me how I know.. |
Cochise
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 08:04 pm: |
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Again you keep talking about Christian, Christian, Christian. So everyone who's not Christian or takes Christ as their savior is not going to heaven? Clarify that one for me. It's as if you're saying believe what you want but if it's not my God well there's no help for you.
I am probably going to lose some more friends here, but,,,
Yes, if a person does not believe what you have stated, they will not be going to Heaven at least IF the Bible is true, which I believe it is.
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Bubabuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 08:15 pm: |
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I stand by what I said. And it appears it is true according to Cochise as he admits the term riding your mom was in poor taste.
In this country there is freedom to follow what ever faith you choose EXCEPT christianity.
Taking
"IN God WE trust" off of the money
"one nation under GOD" out of the pledge
The "ten commandments" out of sight
And Prayer out of schools
What does that mean? The last time I looked kids in public schools aren't forced to watch others recite the Talmud or Koran during school. So why should they be forced to watch others pray to a Christian God? Again we're talking public schools. If that suites your fancy put 'em in a private Christian school. And the "one nation under God" was added in the 1950's out of fear from an atheist Russia. It's removal should be forthwith as it was not intended in the first place.
And it's called a Yamika, just so you know. And it is allowed in public schools as is wearing a cross and a burkha. If prayer IS important to you there's a plethora of private schools. To have true freedom implies just that.
That Evolution is properly explained as an EDUCATED GUESS
That's just too ignorant a statement to touch.
Christianity exploded in Russia after the fall of the Soviet system, it is growing at a staggering rate in China even against stiff punishment for the belief, and their standard of living is improving.
The U.S. and many European countries have significant Christian populations, I too believe that as these groups move away from their faiths the countries will suffer decline
Again you keep talking about Christian, Christian, Christian. So everyone who's not Christian or takes Christ as their savior is not going to heaven? Clarify that one for me. It's as if you're saying believe what you want but if it's not my God well there's no help for you.
Religion does not belong in Politics, as much as the religious right and the moron in charge would like you to believe. IMO the decline of this country will be from the extreme religious right that mandates who marries who, who can and can't have kids, who lives as stems cells needed for research are living beings. Again true freedom means what it implies -- freedom for all, and freedom from exclusion based on sex, race or religions. Not just freedom for some. |
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