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     Roc |
I have run a few boxes through a friend's Glock 24c. I remember it being a very accurate pistol but I don’t really remember the recoil. Compensated pistols generally put the muzzle flash right in your sight picture, a bad feature for a defensive pistol. Here is a good link regarding the durability of Glock pistols, which seems excellent. - http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=4&t=13658&page=1 (Message edited by roc on June 26, 2006) | ||
| Jackbequick |
Tramp, You efforts are only what is appropriate and will be appreciated. Consider my input here to be as necessary as the efforts you put into helping others with the minutae of BMW motorcycle history, models, engineering, and tuning. A friendly sharing of knowledge if you will. I am a strong proponent of polite dissent. I can understand and gracefully accept it when people don't agree with what I've said or see things differently than I do. Jack | ||
| Tramp |
yep- the devil, however, lies in the details of.... first-hand experience. imagine the glee that all these career czech military arms specialists (one trainer I had had over 30 years time in the czech army) will experience at having the facts handed down to them from a motorcycle forum 6 time zones away from the country wherein their weapons are manufactured and employed. I'll be a nobel laureate in no time.  | ||
| Tramp |
depeche jaques- thanks for being a sport -trampignon | ||
| Aesquire |
My Bro-in law uses a Glock 19 in IPSC ( stone freaking stock factory gun class ) matches. He loves it, so does a buddy of ours that works as a NYSDOC prisoner transfer dude. The ipsc boys put cases of ammo though them in a weekend. It's the coolest kind of match to watch, with steel plates, props galore, ( window frames, car doors etc. ) & lots & lots of brass in the air. No insult intended if you play in some other alphabet class, all the "practical shooting" matches beat classic target shooting all hollow, for the spectator. "Last century over 170 million people were murdered by their own governments, and your government doesn't want you to have a gun. Doesn't that bother you just a little?" (Message edited by aesquire on June 26, 2006) | ||
| Timbo |
Here's a pic of my SteeZee SpitzWaden AF, with a few choice rounds, ready for action. This is my favorite model as it has the long barrel for greater accuracy. It can be drug through bathroom grime, cobwebs, dirtylaundry...heck even dustbunny's, and NEVER missfires in the heat of battle! Guaranteed to stop a five year old dead in his tracks from across the hallway. EVERYTIME.  I'm pretty sure it's of Czech origin, but it could be Yugo. It's very difficult to tell as they're manufactured with no external markings for obvious liability reasons. | ||
| Tramp |
If it's the czech spitzwaden, then it's not, technically, an AF. | ||
| Henrik |
Timbo; that's hysterical  | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
If I had to guess, that looks like a cheap American knockoff of the Spitzwaden AF. Possibly from the Midwestern McDonalds Spitzwerks, circa 1998. either way both are highly collectible. Clearly this weapon chambers ball ammunition most reliably. Are those handloads or mouthloads? | ||
| Diablobrian |
I think the mini-ball (more cylindrical) ammo is more accurate in the spitzwaden. it's sectional density is better and it stabilizes in flight better. I've never had a feed problem chambering them either.  | ||
| Mikej |
The McDonalds version has a larger bore and therefore has superior stopping power at lower velocities. Mouthloads are lubricated, provide better trajectory, and have a much greater impact, and if carefully done can have a tracer effect. (ewww, did I just say that?) | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
LMFAO ITICMP!!!! | ||
| Mikej |
Ya know, laugh if you want to, but the way some laws are written which basically make it illegal to shoot a slingshot in your basement in some jurisdictions, that straw once employed to propel projectiles could actually be illegal. Uh, does anyone know the statute of limitations on spitballs for, say, oh, something that happened in a movie theater in 1965 or so, not that I was there or anything, pretty sure they cleaned the screen off by now anyway......  | ||
| Tramp |
back...and to the right.... back...and to the right.... | ||
| Mikej |
That's pretty much how the theater incident went, not that I was there, heard it through the grapevine, yada yada dee. | ||
| Cmm213 |
Wow I think this is the longest post I have ever started- anyways I did get to put some range time in on tuesday and the 24/7 fired great. Pricey stuff to junk rounds all fed and fired great- I will need to work on my grouping more because I have to get used to the trigger pull. I kept shooting low about 2", but I had a gun expert at the range fired a clip through it and was on point with it. | ||
| Pwnzor |
you people are out of control | ||
| Cochise |
There had to be a second spitter... | ||
| Tramp |
Keith Hernandez | ||
| Road_thing |
...from the grassy knoll... | ||
| Cowboy |
How about a 20 ga. 2bbl. with sawed bbl and sawed stock and #1 buck shot dont care about legal. better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6 | ||
| Pwnzor |
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| Tramp |
...the things kids do with an sks. as to the 20 ga., why not just go for 12? good news regarding scatterguns? virtually NO ballistic evidence.,,,or aiming. perfect weapon to leave with Mom or The Wife | ||
| Road_thing |
good news regarding scatterguns? More good news: They come in pink...  rt | ||
| Tramp |
New headline: "...and after serving 15 years in the state penitentiary at San Quentin, The Lone Biker Of The Apocalypse had changed his decidedly criminal, as well as his heterosexual, ways...." | ||
| Road_thing |
http://www.tigersweat.com/movies/arizona/arizona04.wav | ||
| Zradix |
Check out the Springfield Armory XD series. I have the .40 XD service model(4" barrel) my buddy just picked up the new 45 acp model with 14 rounds. Both guns shoot great. Extremely easy to disassemble.(really they are!!) Trigger pull is good. You can also have numerous mods done( target trigger, target barrel etc.) done at a very reasonable price right from Springfield armory. Look on their website in the XD custom page. You can get tritium sights (glow in the dark) I have these. You can also get a lasermax laser for them. Really cool. Replaces the spring and spring guide rod. so you don't have the big laser hanging under your gun. Comes sighted for your gun. I have one of these and it works great. Has a trigger safety like a glock and a beaver tail like safety in back like a 1911. Makes sure you are holding the gun correctly before firing. Works like a dream. you won't even feel it. But it keeps someone from accidentally firing it. The most important thing in picking a handgun might well be how it feels in your hand. When you find the right one you'll know. It will feel like an extension of your arm. Handguns come with different angles between the grip and axis of barrel. It is also important to grip a gun and quickly raise it up to a target. When you find the right one it will almost seem to point itself. You won't have to consciously raise or lower the gun to be on target. Ruger makes some of the best value hand guns on the market, if not THE BEST. I have 2 and my buddy has 3. They shoot flawlessly. They don't look like the newest and greatest, but if you want a good quality bang for the buck I don't think they can be beat. Keep in mind that the polymer frame models of any gun will have noticeably more muzzle jump than a metal frame gun. Do to the less weight. If your looking for self defense pistol go with a .40 S&W or the 45 acp. The 9mm is tempting for more rounds, but they just aren't as powerful. If you get into a defense situation you don't want to have to shoot twice. If you're looking for something just for home defense you really can't beat a 20 or 12 ga shot gun with buck shot or heavey loads of 4 shot like a turkey mag load. Put a pistol grip on the back and get one with a short barrel. Be careful not to make it too short or it will be illegal depending on the laws in your state. Pump Shotguns are very nice since most defense situations occur at night and it's hard to aim a pistol in the dark. With a lead spitter just point and pull. End of problem. Another thing to consider is a handgun bullet has a bit more of a chance of going through a wall with deadly force so you need to keep in mind what is on the other side of the wall behind the bad guy. Hope this gives some insight | ||
| Tramp |
nice post....all except the mumbo-jumbo about pistol grips on shotguns. this indicates, later, in court, that you had intentions other than skeet or sport for the weapon, and it does nothing at all to make it a superior weapon. get a pump 12, keep it stock. teach all members of household to fire it correctly. full buttstock will make it easier for smaller/lighter people to handle without nervous recoil fumble. fewer stupid questions from the ada/da at trial. take a hunter safety course: fewer stupid questions from the ada/da at trial. shoot at the slightest sign of provocation when someone uninvited actually intrudes your domicile. allow them to make an exit, never attempt to stop them from exiting. forget reason, discussions, etc. shoot for the biggest mass of their body. don't assume they're disabled when they're on the ground. keep the weapon trained on them when they're down, and do not get within leaping distance. do NOT attempt to assist, disarm or drag the subject. let them bleed. if they move toward or with a weapon, fire again. you've shot them once, so you don't need to explain your further intent. immediately call 911 and keep your cool on the phone. you will be hearing your call over and over again in court, as will a jury of your (or the intruder's) peers. stay cool. again: fewer stupid questions from the ada/da at trial. | ||
| Zradix |
tramp, Nice post as well. I see your point about pistol grips. Just sometimes in a confined area it can be harder to swing around a full length shotgun. You did touch on a VERY important fact though. Learn to use any gun you have. Get experienced with it. Know how it works, what it can and can't do. | ||
| Tramp |
I hear you, zradix. I used to leave my mom with a nice model 500 mossberg with choate pistol and forearm (prior to the release of the actual 'cruiser' model) for exactly that reason. my grandparents keep a rem. 20 ga. pump, as it's reduced recoil (for old folkssesses) doesn't equate, directly, to greatly lessened stopping power. then i attended quite a few trials where the minuteae of every possible aspect of a weapon's intent was hashed over and over by shavetail ADAs and DAs. I came to the conclusion that a nice stock 12 or 20, regardless of load, was an bunt for the homeowner to explain. needless to say, my domicile, and it's inhabitants, are secure and trained: stand back and let the tabby do the "heavy lifting"..... |
