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Aesquire
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 08:29 pm: | 
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Canada once made great planes. The Avro Arrow was an almost great, that did not fail, so much as was killed.
http://www.avroarrow.org/index1.htm
http://archives.cbc.ca/IDD-1-75-275/science_technology/avro_arrow/
The Canadian Defense Force guys I knew who flew the CF-18, loved it. ( they never had a chance to fly the descendants of the Arrow ) I'm not surprised they had crack problems, everyone has since before metal frames were popular in airplanes. Canada got their moneys worth on the CF-18 I bet.
Since Canadian ROE required positive identification, the CF's had a unique hyper searchlight built flush into the side of the nose. They delighted in using the data net capability to have one plane use radar to track the Mig's that routinely violated Canada's airspace, while the wingman quietly snuck in behind the Mig. Then, the Mig is lit up from behind with a light so bright the pilot was sure he'd been hit by a nuclear bomb. Since the CF-18 was built with hotas (hands on throttle and stick) controls, the Canadian pilot only had to twitch & squeeze to shoot down the plane coned in the light beam. Thanks to the brave Canucks for protecting the continent.
Back to Avro.
14,525 workers laid off all at once? that rivals GM or Kodak, eh?
England threw away their aircraft industry too. A "white paper" was leaked where some bozo's thought the Empire was best protected by rockets, and manned planes were obsolete. Now they have too few planes,(and fewer all Brit ones) and, last I looked, no rocket system to protect the isles from bomber or ballistic missile.
Heck there used to be 2 great aircraft factories on Long Island alone. ( Republic & Grumman ) How many laid off in Long Beach, CA this decade?
I also have rants on former employers. Many bothans died getting that knowledge. |
2kx1
| | Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 08:13 am: |
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Hey Court,
Ive'been holdin my breath long enough,
WHERE WERE THE TUBE FRAMES MADE!!!!
The story behind them is also necessary. |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 07:09 pm: |
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Some were ALLEGEDLY made in bicycle factories.
Rocket |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 07:25 pm: |
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A bicycle factory?
Erik would never have anything to do with a lowly bicycle manufacturer
What's that written on that bicycle swingarm? |
Ducxl
| | Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 07:55 pm: |
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WOW! here's mine with a trademark Mert Lawwill design suspension.As you know,met uses a variation on his "Streetracker/Sportster".Funny how bicycle design ties to motorcycle design.Is that really a frame design by Erik Buell??
Also,i wonder just what bicycle manufacturer made our beloved tubers?? The question still is unanswered?? |
Dtx
| | Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 10:29 pm: |
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I am betting on Paramount... |
Court
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 05:45 am: |
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>>>I am betting on Paramount...
You'd loose. |
Dtx
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 04:34 pm: |
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Darn! |
Dtx
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 04:48 pm: |
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How about Trek...aren't those made in Wisconsin? |
Lake_bueller
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 04:59 pm: |
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Is that really a frame design by Erik Buell??
Close but no cigar. Look closer at the bike...see anything that looks similar to a part from a tuber???? |
Ducxl
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 05:03 pm: |
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Rear suspension...Probably lowers ground clearance though and,that's a bad thing on a mountainbike.
Wishin' we knew just who made our beloved tuber frames  |
Ducxl
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 05:06 pm: |
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Also that style pivot has been debunked because it alters the wheelbase as it flexes.It also does the "bobber" thing as you pedal.Mert's design keeps the wheelbase constant and moves parrallel to the fork geometry.And reduces the bobbing. |
Lake_bueller
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 06:03 pm: |
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Yeah....but that frame/suspension was designed over 14 years ago!!
Do you think we'll ever see this on a Buell...
Single sided front suspension |
Lake_bueller
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 06:09 pm: |
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Remind me to tell you what else Erik was patenting in 1989
Hey Court....would that be the XBRR bodywork? |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 07:18 pm: |
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The year the Buell/Paramount was made the US olympic team won a Bronze on it. IIRC |
Court
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 08:17 pm: |
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>>>>The year the Buell/Paramount was made the US olympic team won a Bronze on it.
That is correct and Glen Adams missed a silver by something on the order of 0.002 second.
It was quite amazing. Erik outdid himself doing the first bicycle with a REAL suspension. Suspension prior to that had been stuff like rubber mounted bars, not the best for handling.
Mert Lawwill, the only person to be in the Motorcycle AND Mountain Bike Hall of Fames, kicked a bicycle career (that continues to this day) off in 1977 with the Pro-Cruiser. Mert later dabled with suspension.
A bicycle presents unique problems, most noticious of which it how to keep the energy imparted by the rider directed toward forward motion, not loading and unloading the front suspension.
In the catalog (1992) Erik was hailed as a "design guru" (I never let him off the hook for that) and it was a fabulous piece of work.
As luck, or lack thereof, would have it Schwinn, owner of Paramount, soon went bankrupt, I've heard from their failure to defend the Aerodyne patent.
Whatever. . . . I have my bike sitting here next to me in the office and, like all things Buell, it begs to be ridden. |
Firemanjim
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 08:47 pm: |
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I am betting it was a frame with fuel in it,and it was sitting on the shelf waiting for how long??? |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 09:30 pm: |
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You mean the chassis that was "too radical" for the vr1000? |
Toona
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 10:36 pm: |
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Remind me to tell you what else Erik was patenting in 1989
United States Patent 4,964,484
Buell October 23, 1990
Motorcycle fairing
Abstract
A motorcycle fairing for enclosing the engine and other components of a motorcycle includes a pair of body portions, each of which has a forward segment and a rear segment connected by a leg receiving recess. Air introduced at the front of the fairing to cool the engine is released from the engine cavity at a point adjacent the leg recesses so that the laminar flow of air around the motorcycle is not disturbed by the leg recesses.
Inventors: Buell; Erik (Mukwonago, WI)
Assignee: Buell Motor Company, Inc. (Mukwonago, WI)
Appl. No.: 335097
Filed: April 6, 1989
United States Patent 4,989,696
Buell February 5, 1991
Motorcycle front and rear disc brake system
Abstract
A front and rear disc brake system for a motorcycle utilizes a first large diameter disc for the front wheel and a second disc of reduced diameter for the rear wheel. The second disc has an outer diameter less than the inner diameter of the first disc so that both discs may be stamped from the same sheet of material with a minimum amount of waste.
Inventors: Buell; Erik (Mukwonago, WI)
Assignee: Buell Motor Company, Inc. (Mukwonago, WI)
Appl. No.: 385244
Filed: July 25, 1989
I always wondered why if the ZTL front brake worked so well, why not adapt it to the rear wheel as well. Economics 101.
(Message edited by toona on July 10, 2006) |
Court
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 05:24 am: |
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Those are not the patents for the frame. But the frame patent was applied for in 1989 and granted in 1990 as well. |
Crusty
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 05:31 am: |
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Toona, that disc brake system is how the rotors for the Blast are made. |
Ducxl
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 07:22 pm: |
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To Quote from a board i can't post to:
From Mr. Mackay
"Steve_Mackay
Rider
Member # 1084
posted 07-25-2006 03:16 PM
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How about that Italian made Buell frame with the Milwaukee motor and the Japanese brakes, with the Italian Pirelli tires, made in Rome, Georgia?
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You may just wanna re-check your sources. Yes 03-06 frames were made in Italy.
The '07s are, or will be made in Illinois by what I've heard. "
Is this true???? Are '07 XB frames made in USA???? WOO-HOO!! Way to go Buell!!!!} |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 03:43 am: |
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Are '07 XB frames made in USA????
According to my calendar, it's still 06 
Rocket |
Court
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 10:57 am: |
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These are, doubtless, the same "insiders" who clued us in that HD was "pulling the plug on Buell in the next 6 months" back in 1998.
T'aint so....but, hey...it's the internet. |
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