| Author | Message | ||
     99buellx1 |
Oh, no, not this again. How many pages was the last one? | ||
| Lpowel02 |
uh...where did the first post go? | ||
| 99buellx1 |
????? | ||
| Sik_s |
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/3842/147855.html?1149930962 Maybe it got deleted and Blake messaged the poster that link in the hope that the thread would die? | ||
| Lornce |
Maybe I missed something from the Badweb history books, but trail braking's a pretty simple concept/practice. Used mainly on the track, trail braking simply involves using limited applications of front braking force upon corner entry to load the front tire and compress front suspension (minimize rake and trail dimensions) to allow later/faster entry and a tighter cornering radius/line. It works. | ||
| Bomber |
trailbraking is used the car wolrd as well - at its simplest, it's the application of brakes through some portion of the turn, as opposed to completing all braking before the turn in like many things, there are experts who claim to have the holy knowledge, and are willing to brow beat you with it ;-} | ||
| M1combat |
Is it only front brakes? Lets use that other thread though... really... There's already some very good information there and it IS the knowledge vault you know  . | ||
| Interest |
I would certainly stay away from rear-braking while turning. | ||
| Eeeeek |
"Used mainly on the track, trail braking simply involves using limited applications of front braking force upon corner entry to load the front tire and compress front suspension (minimize rake and trail dimensions) to allow later/faster entry and a tighter cornering radius/line. " I don't agree with that. Trail braking can be using LOTS of front brakes as you enter the corner. Trail braking is way to increase your entry speed into a corner. What you're talking about is preloading the front, which is different. But don't take my word for it, here it is in Freddie Spencer's words: "Braking for a corner loads the front tire, compresses the front suspension and tightens rake and trail, allowing the motorcycle to steer quicker. Trail braking well past the turn-in point allows the rider to continue slowing the bike and help it steer, adjusting the line if need be while maintaining the load factor on the front tire." | ||
| Bomber |
many reasons to use your rear brake in trail brakeing, depending on the circumstance, as well | ||
| Lornce |
Eeeeek (did i get the right number of eee's?) Not really interested in wandering off into the semantical land of nod, here. We're basically in agreement on what trail braking is and I'm guessing we both have a pretty good, real time, idea of how it works. Or maybe you just read a lot of Freddie Spencer manuals? In fairness, some of my comment relates to a few corners at the infamous Mosport circuit where you use the trail braking technique in corners that don't actually require much in the way of "real" braking. Turns 1, 2, 4 and 8 are entered without much braking beyond a light drag to set the chassis and sharpen geometry as you rail through under power. On the track you're either trail braking or you're getting passed by the guys who are. Think I'm starting to get an idea of the controversy surrounding this thread. Counter-steering, anyone? | ||
| Eeeeek |
Freddie pretty much preaches to trail brake into every corner and that doesn't work for me (but hey, I haven't won any world titles). In some corners, I like to get it all done before tipping it in. Vik |
