| Author | Message | ||
     Psyclonej |
I've been enraptured by my CZ-52 and my makarov 9x18. Cheap and dangerous. | ||
| Cmm213 |
Beretta seems to keep refining there products- looks like a great pistol | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
Tramp, ahh the old 9mm vs. .45 debate. Not the first. Won't be the last. Loved my friends Kimber .45. What a sweet gun. I could shoot tight groups @25 yards all day with it. My Glock 19 on the other hand, looks like I took a shotgun with 00 buck to the paper at 25 yards. No grouping to speak of, but I've put about 20k rounds through it and it always works. Not one jam that wasn't caused by me. It'll be there to get me out of trouble. No experience with a real 1911, but they have a real serious mystique about them. A manly gun for sure. | ||
| Cochise |
There you go T-Poo, a 5 star. | ||
| Cochise |
I personally like the Magnum P.I., not very much kick back, but it'll break the skin. | ||
| Roadrailer |
{the reason i brought the sam '11 up on this thread (maybe a few missed that) is that the extra stopping power precludes the need for more rounds. it's also a very relaible sidearm...carrie done for years until i was compelled to switch to a CZ 85. the '11 makes the 9 feel like using a 410 for geese. oh, look- i was 'one-starred' in my first post. some strong feelings regarding sidearms on this board.... There are a lot of factors that go into stopping power (including shot placement), and to make a blanket statement that a .45 has increased stopping power over other defensive calibers is simply untrue. Personally, if I'm in a firefight, I want a gun with which I can place multiple rounds center mass as quickly as possible. If I can place two rounds with a 9 mm in the time it takes me to place one with a .45, money has it I'll be better off with the 9.} As far as the whole "if you can't get it done in XX rounds..." business, if I'm ever in a situation where I need a handgun, I'll take as many rounds as I can get. I'd rather not find out that 8 rounds was one short of what I needed. | ||
| Buelltroll |
Way I see it is you can NEVER have too many rounds going out. NOTHING more useless than an empty gun. But shhh this IS California after all.   | ||
| 99buellx1 |
Slightly modified Glock: http://www.ifmracing.com/video/Glockwithdrummag2.wmv | ||
| Roadrailer |
Looks like a Glock 18 with an aftermarket drum mag. \clipart {007smile} | ||
| Freeflyer |
Love my Kimber polymer, full size 1911 holds 14 rounds plus 1, the grip even though mag is double stacked is about the same diameter as a standard 1911 cause the synthetic grip is thinner and shorter front to back, so the grip is alittle more square rather than oblong. The accuracy is amazing and it handles the 45acp rounds very smoothly. As far as the firefight comment, Ive read many times of rappers/ gangsters taking like 3,4,5,6,7 rounds of 9mm and living through it. Personally though I look at it as a sporting toy more than something that Id ever have to use even thought I do keep it fully loaded, cause a unloaded gun is as good as a rock (Message edited by freeflyer on June 21, 2006) (Message edited by freeflyer on June 21, 2006) | ||
| Diablobrian |
I really like the 40 S&W and .357sig cartridges myself. I had a H&K usp40 that I really regret getting rid of. Best auto pistol I have ever owned. For revolvers I have a soft spot in my heart (or head) for the .41 magnum. I miss my old .41 Dan Wesson silouette gun. I hunted bear, and boar successfully with that gun. I always wanted to try the .414 supermag Dan Wesson. I did not like my friends .500 linebaugh. | ||
| Tramp |
Roadrailer said: "There are a lot of factors that go into stopping power (including shot placement), and to make a blanket statement that a .45 has increased stopping power over other defensive calibers is simply untrue. " the higher grain projectile, esp. in shorter profile, has more stopping power. "Personally, if I'm in a firefight,..." ( } Exactly- "IF" you're "in a firefight... "...I want a gun with which I can place multiple rounds center mass as quickly as possible. one or two well-placed .45 rounds will do what several 9s won't. until you've dropped combatants with both rounds, it's speculation and armchair expertise (Message edited by tramp on June 22, 2006) | ||
| Djkaplan |
Oooooh, gasoline on the fire... the US military is planning on going back to .45 ACP sidearms in the future according to SGN. | ||
| Tramp |
that is a factual statement. drop a sig, or a glock, a browning hipower or s&w 59 into the mud (or crawl around in the mud or slush with one of the aforementioned weapons holstered to your person)....now, draw and fire. now, repeat same with the ole' sam '11. kinda takes the "armchair weapons experts" outta the picture. please: be my guest. strap one on each leg (a 1911 and the 9 of your choice), and crawl around in gritty mud for a few days, maybe some roadside slush, leap into some salt water, lather, rinse, repeat.... crawl around in mo' mud....draw the weapon, and fire. ....and post the results. | ||
| Ricky |
I still stand by belief that anyone who posts about what weapons they own on the internet is an idiot. | ||
| Road_thing |
Interesting article in this month's NRA mag about the US military looking for a new issue sidearm. Main prerequisite: it's gotta be .45 cal. Reasoning being that the military must use ball ammunition (as opposed to LE or civilian SD which can use HP) and, given that constraint, bigger bullets have more stopping power than smaller ones. So it seems, to me anyway, that the 9mm is a fine round with adequate stopping power, if you choose HP ammo. But the military doesn't have that option, so they're going big. My experience (admittedly almost entirely with 1911's in various configurations) is that ball feeds better than HP. I'd really hate to have a mis-feed at a critical moment...I'm gonna stick with the .45. rt Where did I read this: Never get into a gunfight unless your pistol's caliber begins with a "4"? | ||
| Wardog3187 |
That slightly modified Glock video looks like it was taken at Knob Creek, Kentucky. | ||
| Ratyson |
I love my Kimber. I have the stainless pro-carry. I used to have a Colt Officer .45.. that was a GREAT gun, but alas, I fell in love with the Kimber the first time I saw it and traded the Colt for it. The kimber is a bit more smooth and a little less recoil than the Officer. Those that talk about using there .45 for home protection; Remember, the .45 round will travel through a couple of walls before it stops. If you live in an apartment, you risk some serious law related issues in the unfortunate event that you have to use your gun. A shotgun filled with buckshot has 2 distinct advantages: 1) Aiming is really not important with a shotgun, just point in the general direction of the target. 2) In most cases, buckshot will loose most of it's energy when it hits a wall. | ||
| Roadrailer |
one or two well-placed .45 rounds will do what several 9s won't. until you've dropped combatants with both rounds, it's speculation and armchair expertise Man, and they say the Buell Kool Aid is strong...  My experience (admittedly almost entirely with 1911's in various configurations) is that ball feeds better than HP. I'd really hate to have a mis-feed at a critical moment...I'm gonna stick with the .45. 1911s can be very sensitive to ammo (and cleaning, and lubrication; a fact that makes me chuckle at Tramp's statement about the 1911's reliability). Most modern handguns have no problem feeding hp ammo. | ||
| Djkaplan |
"I still stand by belief that anyone who posts about what weapons they own on the internet is an idiot." Anyone that talks about anything on the internet is an idiot. That's why we're all here. | ||
| Swampy |
BUELLTROLL, I shot an MP 5 in 10mm. 2 shot burst. Any guess as to who uses it? | ||
| Bcordb3 |
This what I'm talking about .45 caliber black powder  | ||
| Tramp |
Roadrailer said: "1911s can be very sensitive to ammo (and cleaning, and lubrication; a fact that makes me chuckle at Tramp's statement about the 1911's reliability). Most modern handguns have no problem feeding hp ammo." chuckle away. I've worn .45s when stepping off c130s and hueys into the ocean, and I've crawled and slept on them in mud and grit. I've also done the same (well...not the jumps, save for the CZ)with the smith 59, the CZ 85 and the Browning HP. None of the latter three would fire consistently without jamming under such conditions. When your target is something which fires back, believe me, reliability in grit, mud and seawater is no 'chuckling' matter. ONE .45 round to the k5 or the face stops folks pretty quickly...and they don't get back up. the same isn't always the case with 9mm rounds. | ||
| Diablobrian |
Actually at the ranges you are talking about in a house you DO have to aim a shotgun. The shot remains more of a column of lead for the first 15ft or so. Especially with buckshot. I prefer a #3 shot if I was using it indoors. Less likely to over-penetrate that way while still carrying some serious THUMP. Yes I have been trained in defensive shotgun, both as a member of my ship's security alert team, and as part of training for drug interdiction joint ops with the coast guard. | ||
| Bomber |
i was really accurate with the .45, if you were within ten feet -- i consistantly threw to the left beyond that ;-} never could shoot the old dear with any degree of accuracy my favorite side arm was a radio connected to air assets (outside of the artillery fan, that is) Ball ammo, aye, like RT sez -- outside of military forces, your choices grow a great deal only short gun in the Entropy Armory is a Churched Up Peacemaker -- | ||
| Spatten1 |
Doesn't the .40 address most of the advantages of the .45 as well as those of the smaller cartriges. Good knockdown power, can hold a ton of bullets in the mag, reasonable recoil. | ||
| Tramp |
the looser clearances of the '11 (in combination with the fat goose eggs it lobs), are part of it's combat superiority ...of course, you'll find many experts who've never used one in combat who'll refute that point..... imagine someone who's never raced a given sportbike extolling the track virtues of it. | ||
| Sleez |
guns...what guns...i don't have any guns...!!!! | ||
| Mikej |
There is also the 10mm, and the .357Sig, and a few others, but many people always end up coming back to the .45ACP. It kind of just works, like the 1911. As far as what I have at home? I have an ax and an old bicycle inner tube, with those and any nearby tree I can jiffy up a slingshot in shot order and start flinging any debris laying about at any attacking critters, and if I don't have time to make the slingshot I can always use the ax to subdue them and the innertube to secure them until help arrives.  | ||
| Spatten1 |
"imagine someone who's never raced a given sportbike extolling the track virtues of it." I assume you intended the irony, and I laughed out loud. I don't have to imagine, I'll just look at every thread on site. |
