| Author | Message | ||
     Lowlife |
Hats off to our armed forces for stomping this cowardly bum! I was actually happy to watch the news this morning! | ||
| Imonabuss |
YES! Let's send lots more of these scumbags to "martyrdom"! | ||
| Brineusaf |
Funny... I was just watching the news. 1 down.... a million more to go. | ||
| Blake |
Way to go American and Iraqi military! Would sure be good if bin laden and his crew soon follow suit. | ||
| Slaughter |
I woke up to this good news at the hotel this AM. Love it when a plan comes together! I've posted this elsewhere but I'm wishing that his 72 "virgins" turn out to be MALE, cloven-hooved and HORNEY! | ||
| Ceejay |
72 "virgins" turn out to be MALE, cloven-hooved and HORNEY!  | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
I bet our little buddy Osama is already dead. The asses are pretending that he's alive to coerce more recruits I think. | ||
| Curtyd |
WOW, traditional human intelligence seems to carry the day, "He is in THERE..." KABOOM!!! | ||
| Oldog |
A well done to the TRUE freedom fighters in Iraq! Osama Bin Hiding "we" have not forgotten you your day IS comming, You to will make it to your marterdom and your 72 clovenhooved male virgins. Proof that If you have their purse strings their mind will follow, the Iraqui PM says that the Reward will be paid! | ||
| Curtyd |
"Iraqui PM says that the Reward will be paid!" Local news says no pay, since tip came from Al Quaeda insider, I guess they figure it would end up funding the terrorists. | ||
| Old_man |
Even if the information didn't come from an insider, I would say it did to keep them guessing about each other. | ||
| Mb182 |
1 down  and a bunch more to go!!!  MB | ||
| Wardog3187 |
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| Cyclonecharlie |
He gets to go to his grave with his head attached,doesn't seem fair.Maybe we needed a third 500 pounder..........Charlie | ||
| Whodom |
You know, there's an old piece of internet folklore (since discounted by Snopes) that General Pershing discouraged Muslim fanatics in the early 1900's by executing a bunch of them and then burying them in a way that was particularly offensive to Islam (something about wrapping their bodies in pigskins and facing their butts toward Mecca IIRC). Now Snopes claimed that this story was untrue, but if there is some method of burial that Muslims find particularly disgraceful, I say we subject the bastard to it as far as possible. | ||
| Kdan |
but if there is some method of burial that Muslims find particularly disgraceful, I say we subject the bastard to it as far as possible. Yeah, because we hate all Muslims? For what purpose? | ||
| Whodom |
Yeah, because we hate all Muslims? For what purpose? No, I don't mean that at all. I want to do something that would offend HIM if he were still here, not other Muslims. | ||
| Sgthigg |
About time the Airforce did something. Semper Fi!  | ||
| Jimidan |
They should coat his body in lard and then bury him in a couple of weeks with his head pointed towards Disneyland. Even that is too good for him. I wonder what these cats think when they wake up dead and there are no virgins? Surprise!  jimidan | ||
| Seanp |
Zarqawi is dead, and that's a good thing. But in the great scheme of things, it's not going to make much difference. One thing that any military power looks for in a war is the enemy's center of gravity. What one thing does the enemy have, control, own, or foster that your forces can destroy, and in doing so, will break the enemy's will or ability to fight? Sometimes the COG is obvious - Yorktown in the Revolution, Adolf Hitler in World War II, or Washington D.C. in the American Civil War. Sometimes it's not so obvious, or even untouchable due to treaties, rules, or the Law of Land Warfare. What was the COG in the VIetnam War? If we had killed Ho Chi Minh, would the North have fallen? What if we had taken Hanoi? Unfortunately, these were not possible objectives, due to the strategic situation at the time between the US and USSR. In a counterinsurgency, the COG is extremely difficult to pin down, because the insurgents are so spread out. They operate in a cellular manner, so there's no single figurehead that will bring the whole thing tumbling down. The fight against the Viet Cong in the Vietnam War was difficult, because even if you killed a few dozen in one province, it had no effect on the surrounding provinces, and in a few weeks' time they'd be replaced. So Iraq is going to be difficult to win, and is definitely not a short fight, unless we can stand up a powerful Iraqi democracy, backed by a powerful Iraqi Army. As far as the whole "Global War on Terrorism" goes, that's an even tougher nut to crack. Even if we caught and tried Osama Bin Laden, or even killed him outright, it would merely cause a hiccup in terrorist operations around the world. There are plenty more jihadists waiting to pick up the cause and run with it. And this is why a counterinsurgency, especially against a culture so foreign to ours, is so extremely difficult. And the fight against terrorism itself is even more difficult. What do we have to do to beat them? There's no easy answer... | ||
| Rocketman |
Bin Laden wasn't in favour of Zarqawi's killing of fellow muslim's. There could well be a change of pace in Iraq without that murdering evil bastard around. They should bury him in pig skin too, I agree. They should leave his head on the gates of Baghdad for the buzzards to pick at, and let it be a message that any evil •••••• that beheads a hostage, one day their's will roll too. Rocket | ||
| Panic |
It had all the effect it was intended to have. It prevented anyone from discussing the generals's request that Rumsfeld be dismissed. Just out of curiousity: in which court was he convicted of a crime? Who was he attacking when he was killed? What legal authority do we have to kill a foreign national outside the US? And finally, since the answer to these is fairly obvious, how is this different from some student planning to kill the Canadian PM? | ||
| Seanp |
Panic - So what do you suggest, that we wait until we have the opportunity to capture him, (probably years from now, with a much higher potential for loss of life, both American and Iraqi) and then try him in court? And I'm pretty sure that this mission wasn't planned to draw attention away from the retired GOs' calls for Rumsfeld's dismissal. (Unless you're one of those conspiracy theorists who thinks that the tail wags the dog. If so, I'm sorry - not for my mistake, but for you.) | ||
| Blake |
You apparently think the answers to your questions are obvious. I think you might be surprised. "Just out of curiousity: in which court was he convicted of a crime?" It is called war. Al qaeda of which zarqawi was a member has declared war and perpetrated acts of war upon America and our allies. There is no court hearing or conviction required. However, the Iraqi government has likely officially convicted him of murder and designated him as a primary target. I know that the coalition military has. I believe that the government of Jordan had also officially convicted Zarqawi of murder and terrorism. "Who was he attacking when he was killed?" It is called war. How is this relevant? However, he was engaged in a prolonged campaign of terror and murder against the Iraqi people and coalition forces in Iraq. Meaning he was engaged in waging war upon the citizens of Iraq and the coalition military and civilian police of Iraq. "What legal authority do we have to kill a foreign national outside the US?" It is called war. However, the current government in Iraq is fully recognized and supported by the UN. The Iraqi government fully authorizes the efforts of the coalition military in Iraq to hunt down and kill or capture known terrorists. The UN also recognizes the right of every sovereign nation to defend itself against those seeking to destroy or harm it. Al qaeda has declared and made war upon America and our allies including the democratic government of Iraq. We have the right to eliminate that kind of threat. "how is this different from some student planning to kill the Canadian PM?" The Canadian PM is not a known terrorist leader, nor a convicted murderer, nor is he engaged leading in a campaign of terror against his civilian population, nor has he declared and perpetrated war against "some student." "Some student" is not empowered by UN mandate or international law to wage war against the Canadian PM. (Message edited by Blake on June 09, 2006) | ||
| Cowboy |
Way to go Blake my champion speaks again.......TKS | ||
| Blake |
"Bin Laden wasn't in favour of Zarqawi's killing of fellow muslim's." Careful with that kind of assertion. UBL sure was in favor of killing fellow Muslims in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and in the WTC towers. My understanding is that UBL was concerned with too much bad press after zarqawi saw fit to blow up a wedding party, and that is all. Pretty sure UBL is fine with slaughtering all the shia muslims he thinks he can get away with. | ||
| Blake |
Thanks Cowboy.  | ||
| Blake |
From: http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/09/D8I4NUB00.html | ||
| Skyguy |
Someone was a little heavy handed in pulling my post! At no point did it violate any BADWEB policies. Or maybe it was just late when I posted it and I never really posted it? I did not get an email so maybe I was just tired. IMHO another "leader" will spring up behind him. I have a little inside information about an Iraqi security consultant to our goverment that has stated that "the insurgency will not end until two generations of Iraqi's are killed". It is a way of live for them. While there are exceptions it is nearly impossible to escape thousands of years of hatred. As far as Zarqawi is concerned? I hope he died in great pain. He was a superb scumbag and deserves a burial that is in dirrect oppisition to his beliefs and the beliefs of his followers. However, What kind of further violence would such a burial invoke? Would it escalate problems rather than solve them? Who knows food for thought though. | ||
| Bomber |
Blake -- with all due respect, it IS called "war" but it isn't. "war" is a decalred state of hostilities between to sovereign nations, and no such state exists at present please note I am not saying the individual didn't deserve his fate, nor am I saying it was wrong to give it to him, but our work-around regarding international law HAS given us a bit of a black eye, internationally, and does move us a step or two down from the peak of the moral high ground that I beleive we should occupy. You're an engineer, and favor proofs and numbers, and hold them dear (as you should) -- words and terminology has an equal amount of power, and we should use them right this is not mere rhetoric, but law we are discussing you may be perfectly comfortable with our actions and there results (as I amy be) but not all are, for perfectly valid reasons questions are never unwarrented (not that you said they were) -- it's examining our reasons for our actions that can make them better focused |
