| Author | Message | ||
     Eboos |
I would like to see Buell do a liter sized liquid cooled bike that would go up against Ducati 999s, Aprilia RSVs and the like in Supertwin classes. The Revolution package seems rather large, and the weight not in the right places. With modification would this engine work, or would it need a complete re-engineering? I have heard that a Revo-powered Buell would be possibly coming in the future, but what kind of potential does it have beyond just power and torque? | ||
| Indy_bueller |
I don't think you will ever see that. A more likely candidate would be a derivative of the XBRR engine. I think that is probably at least a couple years in the future, if ever, based on what I heard Erik say at Homecoming. | ||
| Barker |
First step in "re-engineering": Drain all that water out. I would prefer a XB14R (a la the XBRR powerplant) than a XBRod. | ||
| Diablobrian |
Too: 1)Long, 2)tall, 3) heavy. It would need a clean sheet re-design to be viable.  | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
Now...a Revo engine in a long haul Sport-touring Buell might be a different story. Full fairing, hard bags, room for two. It could be a FJR, Honda ST killer. Wouldn't have to be that concerned with a super short wheelbase, and bike height. | ||
| Anonymous |
Wide, heavy, etc, etc. Just not a sport engine in any sort of package. If you call a 650 lb bike sporting I guess it could be one, but that's not a Buell. It originally started out to be a Buell engine, but H-D felt they needed a big water-cooled cruiser motor, so took it over and changed it. It's a cool heavyweight cruiser motor, and that's that. Diablobrian is right on target. | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
Anonymous, a circa 600 lb bike is not unusual in the ST world. I agree that it would not be optimal for a sportbike, but if Buell wanted to branch out a bit... | ||
| Anonymous |
Oh, we're branching out, just not that way. It also would be very expensive. Expensive plus heavy just doesn't work for us. | ||
| Indy_bueller |
Oh thank goodness! I was hoping you would say that Anony. The thought of a 650lb Buell makes me wanna toss my cookies. Violently. Branching out? You teaser. Grrr. Buellmas is only a month away but I can't stand the suspense. | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
Anony - 10-4  | ||
| Tramp |
"we're"? | ||
| Smitty808 |
I thought it was common knowledge on here that Anony was our factory connection??(Someone that possibly is humble enough to not want to flaunt his position...but still wants to get a feel for what the peoples are thinkin'??) I usually pay close attention to the anony posts...there are tidbits of info in some of them you can't find anywhere else! | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
How different are the VR1000 and the revolution engines? | ||
| Brucelee |
How much does the VROD motor weight right now? How much does the Sportster engine weight? How could both be lightened? | ||
| Blake |
Eboos, Good news! In its debut race, Rico Penzkofer took his Hanover Buell XBRR to victory against a full-on 999R in the Supertwins race at Daytona this Spring. | ||
| Sparky |
Possibly the fact that the V-Rod, VR1000 and other European race V-twins are wet sump designs would work against them for being in a Buell application. Dry-sump Buells shine as wheelie-prone stunt bikes, for example, with no oil starvation issues, AFAIK. | ||
| Anonymous |
For you numbers guys. The VR1000 and Revolution share no parts, just a basic layout design. The Revolution is MUCH bigger and heavier, and the VR itself is long obsolete in size and weight for sportbikes. It was about 165 lbs. The V-Rod motor weighs 205 lbs, the XB 170 lbs. Then add radiators and water to the V-Rod motor. A modern 1000cc V-twin is around 140 lbs, and in-line fours weigh 120 lbs. Adding to the 60 to 80 lb penalty is the size, as the V-Rod motor is just plain BIG, so the bike has to get big to wrap around it. | ||
| Barker |
"Good news! In its debut race, Rico Penzkofer took his Hanover Buell XBRR to victory against a full-on 999R in the Supertwins race at Daytona this Spring." ~Blake Blake, Didn't the 999r driver have a problem with his helmet was flying off on the last straight away. I heard he was holding his helmet, and that was the only way the XBRR could pass and take the win. Is my buddy lying? Did the XBRR overpower the duc for the win or did it win by beating a limping Duc. I know, A win is a win! | ||
| Madduck |
I doubt very much that Harley would want there v-rod motor associated with the "sportbike" market that buell occupies. Harley is about marketing and image and Buell doesn't have the "image" harley is seeking. My guess is that a replacement for the long dead FXRT will be next for the v-rod market and should sell "poor" numbers for Harley but "exceptional" numbers in the "sporttouring" market. There are probably 40k to 80k potential customers for such a beast with a Harley name on the tank. I also believe that if Erik asked Harley for permission to design a Buell around the Revolution motor they would turn him down. Just look at the Buell and sportster line. They are drifting apart not coming together. | ||
| Outrider |
Buells are for sport riders that appreciate a fine dance in the twisties. Harley's are for the kick-back's who like beer and drag racing. Trust me, I have one and I don't fit that mold either. I make mine dance and my wife loves the comfort.  | ||
| Anonymous |
"Good news! In its debut race, Rico Penzkofer took his Hanover Buell XBRR to victory against a full-on 999R in the Supertwins race at Daytona this Spring." ~Blake Blake, Didn't the 999r driver have a problem with his helmet was flying off on the last straight away. I heard he was holding his helmet, and that was the only way the XBRR could pass and take the win. Is my buddy lying? Did the XBRR overpower the duc for the win or did it win by beating a limping Duc. I know, A win is a win! The Ducati rider claimed that his face shield fogged on the last lap, causing him to slow just before the finish line. He and Penzkofer had been dicing all race, and the 999R was definitely faster on the banking -- as is to be expected for a WSB spec Ducati. Penzkofer and the XBRR were faster in the infield, and, in the end, around the racetrack. It was the first, but not the last time, that an XBRR has beaten a 999. McWilliams in a AHRMA race at Daytona was pulling away from that same Ducati and rider and a Moto Guzzi MGS at 5 seconds a lap (he pulled in on the last lap for politeness, something that we won't do again as Moto Guzzi later advertised this race as a win against the XBRR), and there have already been CCS/ASRA SuperTwins wins. Vallejo Buell wants an XBRR just to compete in the equivalent Twins class in California races, where it will be racing fast Ducatis. | ||
| Slaughter |
WE MUST HAVE SHAWN HERE AT WILLOW! Jeff Dixon can come in second in the Twins classes on Higbee/Bartels Buell - it'd be way too cool to see an RR go up against Kopecky and Ibarra. Crack some Duck Eggs!  | ||
| Outrider |
he pulled in on the last lap for politeness I don't understand. Could somebody explain this too me. Trust me, I am not being sarcastic. I just have not heard of this before. Guess I am naive, eh? | ||
| Slaughter |
I don't understand. Could somebody explain this too me. Often times if a rider is just out for one race (to get valuable practice time or setup/tuning) or if a bike is racing in a class that it hasn't been determined to be "legal" - the rider will go out, race his socks off for the seat time and then on the last lap, just pull in. Happens all the time in Club racing when "name" riders and teams come out. Does here at Willow Springs. We'll see some of the big boys out for practice and setup start the race and pull off on the last lap so they don't take points away from the Club racers who are competing once a month in a year-long series and can't afford to lose points and the "big name" racer really doesn't need the points in a local or regional club series. It's a gentlemanly sorta thing to do. (Message edited by slaughter on June 05, 2006) | ||
| Anonymous |
he pulled in on the last lap for politeness I don't understand. Could somebody explain this too me. Trust me, I am not being sarcastic. I just have not heard of this before. Guess I am naive, eh? The Buell teams at Daytona were let in the AHRMA (a vintage racing association, but with a serious Twins class) races at the last minute (past the official close of registration) so we could get more test time. The AHRMA chief tech inspector asked that we not smoke all the amatuers, so we pulled over before finishing any of the AHRMA races. As I said before, we won't do this again. | ||
| M1combat |
Anyone have an e-mail to the proper marketing guru so I can send a big FU to them? That's just not right. | ||
| Outrider |
Thanks for the Heads Up on the pulling in thing. I learned something new today. |
