| Author | Message | ||
     Chasespeed |
Well, I didnt email the message home..but.. This news came over the unclass network today.. The President signed HR 5037 The fallen heros act. Which, in short makes it ILLEGAL to to protest at an active duty members funeral. There are stipulations..but, its written in plain english, and each state in encouraged to make their own laws concerning this bill... Basically, I think the government was uncomfortable with a bunch of bikers standing gaurd at funerals... On a serious note, this is a big step..as it comes close to the issue of freedom of speech and the right to demonstrate. But, it states that that right, shold NOT include instilling fear into families, and disrupting funerals, etc.. Juts thought I would post this, as i kow there are a few vets here..adn I am not the only active duty.... Again, about time.... Chase F*ck'em if they can't take a joke. | ||
| Brineusaf |
Yes, but I believe that they can still protest at the cemetary, they just cannot address or make contact with the members of the funeral, or this is what I hear. Personally, I'd feel more comfy with the Patriot Riders being mandatory, instead of regulating their protests. Of course the Patriots would be getting "compensation" for providing their services. Hint.. Kyle Brine United States Air Force | ||
| Chasespeed |
Yes, but I believe that they can still protest at the cemetary, they just cannot address or make contact with the members of the funeral, or this is what I hear. Its in teh library of congress... Anyway, by contact, you mean physical? if so, that isnt even covered... What I read this morning, said DEMONSTRATE.. Yes, they can be there OUTSIDE the cemetray, and no sooner than 60 minutes, prior, adn no later thean 60 minutes after conclusion... If you havent recieved it yet, I will email it to you from work tomorrow, If you want, i will PM you with me navy address... Chase} Chase F*ck'em if they can't take a joke. | ||
| Pcmodeler |
Right, but it's probably legal for politicians to show up and turn it into a personnel agenda for either party.  | ||
| M1combat |
Hmmm... I'm not so sure I agree with that one exactly... Please don't get me wrong though... I assure you that if I was in the mix I'd be on the side of the patriot riders, but everyone should be able to say what they would like to say. I just think that they should be able to be jacked in the teeth for it too... I guess I just mostly believe in the self policing of society. | ||
| Buellerthanyou |
M1Combat, Hear here! Nothing like getting government involved to screw up a great idea. Which would more likely be upsetting to mourners: a few "Patriot Riders" (or whatever) showing their respect by standing guard or the police arriving with lights blazing and sirens blaring to haul off some demonstrators? We "The People" can largely take care of ourselves when we're not interfered with by the the heavy (and usually ineffective) hand of government. HellBuelly J http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty (to wheelie) than to those attending too small a degree of it." --Thomas JefferBuelly | ||
| Buellin_ri |
First off this would not be an issue if people protesting had a little taste and respect. You have all heard "there's a time and a place for everything". A funeral is not the place to protest/make a statement about anything. So if someone wants to do protest at funerals, their funeral should be the very next one.  | ||
| Brineusaf |
Chase, No, I did indeed get an email about it. But before checking my AF Email, I was under the impression of everything I stated, and by contact I meant directing verbal comments directly to someone by their name. Since my original post I have read the email. Is this good for the families.... I think so. For the public rights... not too sure. Time will tell. Again, respect is key. Kyle Brine United States Air Force | ||
| Slaughter |
What is so wacky is the nutjobs who are the most recent REASON for this regulation are the WACK-O anti-gay activists who have been protesting at many major ceremonies at funerals at national cemetaries because they are claiming that military deaths are God's way of punishing the military for admitting gays. The biker "gangs" have showed up on their own mostly to act as a buffer to keep the nutjobs away from the funerals. Sometimes the bikers have been portrayed as the reason for the legislation There ought to be reasonable limits to people who cannot respect other people's grief. Yeah, I know it's suppressing 1st amendment rights but there are limits. | ||
| Chasespeed |
Post deleted so as not to stir a politcal battle..not able to delete (Message edited by chasespeed on May 31, 2006) Chase F*ck'em if they can't take a joke. | ||
| Oldog |
its important there chase not that we will fix it here, I think that some of the families were likley a little un comfortable with the idea, EVEN THOUGH the pats by laws said that they would only show up IF invited My concern is that this is a precident and that freedom of speech is in danger, Phelps WILL GET HIS, If I were a Judge an him or one of his group were hauled into my court for "creating a public disurbance" by protesting at a fallen heros' funeral to quote Jacky Gleason "I would barb-que his A$$ in molasses" WHY? he has the right of freedom of speech, he does not have the right to inflict further pain on the family in question if we squash any contradictory speech then we are no better than the Nazis' or the Taliban but a funeral is just wrong at all levels Phelps is a sick bastard The right thing is not always the easy thing, but its always the best thing, From the porch the Ol Dog | ||
| Bomber |
freedom of speech is already appropriately abridged -- yelling fire in a crowded theater will get ya in the hooscow, for instance while I almost always am very suspicious of any more limits on free speech, it seems that there are those in our society that will insist on hiding behind it so that they can act like jacka$$es -- it's sad, but this particular bill would have my vote, if I were in a position to vote for it | ||
| Southern Marine |
Your freedom of speech is not in danger. What is in danger is common respect for our fellow man/woman. No matter what the individual did during their life, you don't show up to their funeral to "protest" and especially to deride the individual for their service in the military, or for whatever they did. You don't show up and attempt to make their family, who is trying to say goodbye to their loved one, family member, friend, whoever, and shout derogatory things. When a child sex offender dies, personally I feel the world is just a little better off. That doesn't mean that I will show up to their funeral to shout derogatory things about them. I may not have any respect for that individual, but I have some for their family. If someone wants to protest something, find the proper venue. You don't do it at someone's funeral. I applaud the Patriot Riders for their attempts in protecting the families of the service members who lost their lives. They stand there peacefully attempting to shield the family from these rude, thoughtless, heartless individuals. We shouldn't have to "pen" these laws, but because too many people want to be "politically correct", we are forced to put into writing that you can't do things like this. Common sense is evidently no longer a common virtue, neither is respect. | ||
| Tramp |
absolutely agreed, southernleatherneck. I support this initiative 200%. unfortunately, most common snese initiatives have to be penned in some form, unless you want to exist, in some part, outside of society, where the laws of nature and common sense prevail. you still active? knock someone (deserving) on their a*s and see how fast the article 15 flies to your rack. | ||
| M1combat |
The nice thing though Tramp  , is that if David ever needed knock someone on their ass and face an article 15, I'd gladly do it for him . | ||
| Brucelee |
"First off this would not be an issue if people protesting had a little taste and respect. You have all heard "there's a time and a place for everything". A funeral is not the place to protest/make a statement about anything. So if someone wants to do protest at funerals, their funeral should be the very next one." Absolutely dead on. The Freedom of Speech zealots have no sense of history. This provision of the Constitution was designed to protect the government from PUNISHING and INHIBITING the freedom to have discourse on public issues, ie the government would not restrict or punish discourse. This BS of demonstrating at a PRIVATE event is out and out harrasment of the family involved. If these "PROTESTERS" want to express their displeasure with the war, their are an unlimited number of ways and places to do this. These "protestErs" are simply thugs, who would violate a private, painful moment for their moment of glory. Where is my baseball bat. I feel the need to EXPRESS myself. |
