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     Xb12burner |
Got an email today with a video attached talking about Denny Klein and Hydrogen Tech. He has a car that runs on water. The video states that he uses 4 ounces of water per 100 miles. However he later tells that the car is a hybrid. He's now working with the US military developing a Hummer that will run on both gas and water. And Congress has invited him to DC for talks about using his technology. We'll never see this materialize!! Anyone have any more info on this??? | ||
| Oz666 |
Yes, I would like a "Mister Fusion", too. And some of whatever the person who sent you that email (and this Denny Klein person) have been smoking.   Oz | ||
| Xring |
There are a lot of Google hits on it. Here is one example: http://ecofinance.blogware.com/blog Sounds unbelievable. Bill | ||
| Oz666 |
To be honest, I have heard of it (go off the grid, run your house with a small hydrogen power plant - secrets the government and big business don't want you to know - just needs a little more development) flim-flam, balderdash, poppycock. If the government and big business didn't want you to know, YOU WOULDN"T. Right up there with the wood box, you pour in sea water and gold dust ends up in the tiny drawer at the bottom. There is not enough energy in the chemical bonds of 4 oz. of water to move a car 100 ft. let alone 100 miles. But, hey, maybe he accidently stumbled onto cold fusion, stranger things have happen. And THAT, my friends, would be truly wonderful! Oz | ||
| Spiderman |
If he discovered cold fusion there would have been a story on the news, just maybe. And if he is seperating hydrogen from water then it would take a TREMENDOUS amount of energy. So much energy that it would not be economical... | ||
| Xb12burner |
His basic theory is that hydrogen fuel cells in their current form are too unstable to carry around the way most manufacturers have them set up now. So he is making his HHO gas on the fly, and injecting the HHO into the normal gas mixture to increase horsepower and fuel mileage. The report was on Fox News which may or may not lend credibility to the story. His website shows that vehicle tests have been going on since 2003, which makes me wonder how real this could be since no one has really heard of it. I think I'll try to put an electrolyzer on my XB tonight!  | ||
| Kdan |
I remember a show back in the early 80's where some guy claimed the same thing. Then you never heard of him again. He had a VW powered rail he claimed would run from Chicago to LA on about 12 gallons of water. My guess is he stopped in Area 51 and was never seen again. | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
TANSTAAFL translation "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch." | ||
| Firemanjim |
Good old Robert Heinlein classic--Farnham's Freehold. | ||
| Jima4media |
There are a couple of other companies working on hydrogen injection. One is Hydrogen Innovations at - http://www.burnh2o.com And the other is located in Morgan Hill, CA. I forgot the name of it. Do you remember Jim? More from Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_fuel_injection (Message edited by jima4media on May 12, 2006) | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
"TANSTAAFL" is from "the Moon is a Harsh Mistress" | ||
| Crusty |
That water thing is a gaff, but I have an invention that's guaranteed to work(or double your money back to me!).You'll never have to buy gasoline again. Basically it's a shaped funnel that fits on your butt attached to a small suction motor. Once you eat the special mix of B&M Baked Beans, Green Giant Broccoli with Low Fat Cheese Sauce and Stove Top stuffing, I guarantee you'll have enough fuel to travel long distances! I just need a little more money for development, and we'll never have to give Exxon another scent; uh, I mean cent! All you need to do is send me enough cash to fund final development costs.  | ||
| Reepicheep |
Is that the one they had on Mythbusters? They ran it right after the "add Acetone to your gas" test. It was not a "get energy from water deal", it was a "expend electrical energy to get hydrogen from water and burn hydrogen in your stock internal combustion engine". The results were suprising. The Acetone, as expected, lowered fuel economy by about 1 mpg. The hydrogen, as expected, was not generated fast enough by the rig advertised as being suitable for hooking to the car. What was unexpected was that they took a hydrogen tank (those folks are both braver and stupider then I am apparently) and ran a tube right into the air intake of the carb for a car with no gas, and the thing ran like a champ for a several second interval before they pulled the tube. Of course, they tried it a second time just because it was cool, and got a pretty nasty flashback and near fire... All of the "hydrogen power" plans I know about are not getting power from hydrogen, they are really using hydrogen as a battery. You take electrical energy, pump it into water to break the O2 and H atoms apart, and run your car off one or both. You get less energy from burning the O2 and H then you put in to split it apart in the first place though... so it's just a really good battery (provided you can figure out how not to let it kill you). The most exciting plausible alternative energy scenario I have heard of is genetically engineered alge... that takes sunlight and produces hydrogen as a byproduct of it's lifecycle. Again, it's not "creating" energy, but it would be a potentially elegant solar power plant, and really environmentally friendly and sustainable. I would much rather live next to one of these hypothetical "hydrogen farms" then a refinery... especially if they stocked it with Bass  | ||
| Oldog |
Yeah: we had some guy in here years ago with his motley crew of "partners", the deal was that he had a tech that reprocessed tires into amongst other things Av-gas, They wanted us to build a pilot plant( At our expense ) When the pitch man was finished, I inquired how did they know it was Av-gas? The response was "'cause it's blue" aviation gasoline is commonly DYED one of 3 colors to allow the airman to visually determine the grade of the fuel. you can guess the rest  | ||
| Firemanjim |
HMM. Might want to go back and recheck that as FF was published before TMIAHM and I am pretty sure he had that on his freehold/pub/trading post at the end of the book. (Message edited by firemanjim on May 12, 2006) | ||
| Norrisperformance |
I remember hearing the same kind of story when I was a boy back in the seventy’s . Supposedly the big three bought the rights and the whole thing disappeared. So who knows, could be. Remember new technology has made the impossible possible many times though the years. | ||
| Swampy |
A long time ago, I worked with an engineer at Rochester Products that talked of his dad back in Spain running his car on watergas. From what he said there was a small fire built in the car and water was dripped into the fire. The hydorgen gas was drawn up into the engine through a hose. Not a very efficient way of doing things, but at the time after the war fuel was in demand. I suppose thats what all the hub-bub is all about! Not only would you have to carry water, you would have to carry your firewood around. Right now in Michigan, there are transport bans on moving firewood, so obvously this type of thing would never take off, unless you were burning coal or fuel oil or gas or something.... | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
There was also wood gas cars. Bake some wood in an enclosed container and flammable gas is released. Best use for a YUGO: http://freeweb.deltha.hu/zastava.in.hu/wood-gas.htm |
