| Author | Message | ||
     Sgthigg |
So if the illegals walk out today..That opens the door for alot of legal unemployed citizens to have theyre jobs.. Awesome thanks! Way to take one for the team.  (Message edited by sgthigg on May 01, 2006) | ||
| Seanp |
I believe the problem is that the citizens don't want those jobs at the pay that's offered. It's easier to take welfare... This is a huge issue, and one that can't easily be solved with legislation or demonstration. | ||
| Cochise |
I can guarantee you they did their shopping yesterday, so go to Wal-Mart and enjoy the short lines. Yesterday and tomorrow will be record days at American venues which will more than make up for one days boycott. | ||
| Ryker77 |
Don't Buy Meat on Monday A Way to Protest Companies that Support Illegal Immigration Monday is your chance to participate in a counter-boycott. It's simple - don't buy or eat meat that day in protest of these companies, whose employees knowingly hire illegal aliens, collude with immigrant smugglers, break the law with impunity, and give these same illegal aliens the day off so they can demand amnesty as a reward. Are any companies giving American workers the day off Monday to protest amnesty? Call Seaboard at 1-800-262-7907, Cargil at 1-800-CARGILL (227-4455), Hormel at (507)437-5611 and Tyson at (479) 290-4000 on Monday to let them you are boycotting them for supporting illegal immigration. I'll not buy of there prodcuts for the rest of the YEAR! | ||
| Ryker77 |
"I believe the problem is that the citizens don't want those jobs at the pay that's offered. It's easier to take welfare... " misinformed... terribly. The facts are this: Jobs Americans Won’t Do? • 79 percent of the 23 million workers in service jobs are native-born Americans. • 81 percent of the 6 million workers in construction jobs are native-born Americans. • 77 percent of the 10 million workers in production jobs are native-born Americans. | ||
| Ryker77 |
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/01/immigrant.day/index.html quick vote poll  o you think your life will be affected by the Day Without Immigrants? | ||
| Seanp |
So you're saying that native-born Americans would do all of those jobs at the pay offered? That makes no sense. If that were true, then why would a company even take a chance hiring an illegal if they could find an American citizen who would do the same work for the same pay? Now, increase the pay, and American citizens would gladly do the jobs. There are a lot of jobs that you'd have to pay me a whole heck of a lot to do. I wouldn't want to be the guy driving the porta-john truck. But if you paid me $1000/hour to do it, I'm there. I wouldn't want to work in a McDonald's. But if you paid me $1000/hour, I'm there. I wouldn't want to spend hours in the sun hauling bricks around, or trimming hedges. But if...well, you should get the point. Also, from where do you get your facts? Cite a scholarly source, please. My statement was "I believe..." which is a personal opinion. I don't need a source to back my statement up. You do. So let's have a source... Here's something put out by the Pew Hispanic Center in June of 2005: Unauthorized Migrants: Numbers and Characteristics It's interesting to see that the percentage of illegals in certain industries is pretty high, and that they make so much less money. (Message edited by seanp on May 01, 2006) | ||
| Ceejay |
Another question is not what work would you do for what pay, but how much would you pay for the work being done. Would you buy a hamburger for 6 bucks everyday if that would help you in knowing that those making the burgers are able to take care of thier family, drive a nice car, etc. Or is it more important to buy a cheeseburger at a 1.50 everyday, thus helping you to take care of your family, drive a nice car. I'm not being confrontational or saying you do or don't drive a nice car/can take care of your family. What I'm asking is the American public willing to pay for the services that may require higher costs if naturalized tax paying citizens are employed. This is of course not asking the producers of such commodities to take a reduced profit margin. I don't think that we as a people are willing to pay for certain things at the higher cost that may be required to obtain those services required by employing naturalized tax paying citizens. | ||
| Lovematt |
I saw a movie a while back called "A Day without a Mexican" (pretty sure that was the title). I live in an agricultural area and well understand the way things work in terms of economics and politics for many of the workers in that industry. I also had an uncle that lived in Mexico for over 20 years and had the pleasure of visiting him from time to time. I heard many stories from both Mexicans and Americans down there regarding the desire to move to the "promised land" of the US. However this movie showed a more drastic view of what might happen should these people not be here...it was an interesting viewpoint. (Message edited by lovematt on May 01, 2006) | ||
| Seanp |
Good point, Ceejay. The costs are not going to be sucked up by the companies who hire the workers. They'll pass it on to other folks as well. Like I said, this is a problem that can't easily be solved. But of course, folks are going to look for the easy answer. | ||
| Ceejay |
I don't believe a walkout, by anyone is going to solve anything. Nor would a fence. In the end it is probably up to the consumers, as we are like those fish, where many go we all go. If we began to look into where we are spending our money, we may be appalled at what is going on, and begin to pay more in order to support those around us instead of sending the money elsewhere. May be the best way to vote in the end...Of course this could have international repercussions. The only problem I see with immigration is that if they are looking at this country as the promised land, why do they avoid paying into a system they obviously reap so many rewards. I understand the money issue, but the accountability for the actions of illegals has a huge backlash. | ||
| Brucelee |
"A Day without a Mexican" Now, it they made this a day without an ILLEGAL Mexican, it would make a fine film. I for one, can get along just fine without any illegal immigrants here in the US. | ||
| Brucelee |
How about a walk out and a walk South, really really far South. | ||
| Ryker77 |
No Sean. I am PROVING that those "jobs americans won't do" ARE DOING THEM RIGHT NOW. Not would but ARE!!!! There are only 6-7 million Illegal workers. There is not enough of them to fill up ALL the "jobs americans won't do". | ||
| Ryker77 |
Sean from your own source : Unauthorized migrants account for about 4.3% of the civilian labor force or about 6.3 million workers out of a labor force of 146 million. (for simple minded people that means that 96% of the workforce in American are AMERICANS) ([Note that these data are not adjusted for persons omitted from the CPS. Were they corrected for omissions,the number of unauthorized migrants in the labor force would probably be about 675,000–700,000.) Although the unauthorized workers can be found hroughout the workforce, they tend to be over-represented in certain occupations and industries. The next several charts attempt to identify some of these ncentrations. From your own sources. 81% of Farm workers are AMERICAN 83% of Cleaning workers are AMERICAN 88% of construction workers are AMERICAN 89% of food service workers are AMERICAN (Message edited by ryker77 on May 01, 2006) | ||
| Ryker77 |
For the people who think Americans won't work. Illegals only make up 4.3% of the workforce. That means 96% of the workforce is made up of AMERICANS. Now there might be jobs that your "to good to do" but many middle and lower class Americans proudly work those jobs. It is treason to make a false blanket statement that "Americans won't work". | ||
| Court |
Well.....it's 5 till Noon and I am looking down on about every satelite truck in New York City. Trying to decide if I should venture out with a camera. | ||
| Spiderman |
Hell yeah I want pics  | ||
| Jugallo94 |
Cancel welfare then we wont have americans that dont want to work these jobs. They would have to in order to survive. I feel that just cause you have kids or are to lazy to work doesnt mean you get a free ride. | ||
| Buellmonkey |
A company's profit margin should never be a point when determining a person's civil rights, legal or illegal. If a company can't make a reasonable profit with a product then it's not functioning efficiently. America should start by imposing fines on those companies that USE illegal immigrants (much like, and I hate to use this as an example, johns are arrested for soliciting prostitutes. You curb the demand and the supply will dry out, the opposite of the usual (basic) business model of supplying the demand of the consumer). As stated, no business will risk losing its position if its hiring status is enforced. What I believe is a larger problem is the general greed of American companies. I know this is an exaggeration but do other countries have this problem? Are profit margins always the point of contention? Do we have to ship everything out to lower-paying labor or does the American business need an overhaul in how it is run? I don't believe Americans will refuse jobs because they are not "good enough". Conversely, us believing that this is true somewhat promotes the implied slave mentality in the presence of illegal immigrants. They wouldn't be here if we (the collective businesses) didn't use them; their use is both ethically (morally) wrong and legally wrong. This has nothing to do with the collective illegal population not being human beings. They are, but they're here illegally and are not deserving of civil rights not humane rights. Before I'm lambasted as a racist, I'm a LEGAL immigrant. I've been in the U.S. from grade school to graduate school. I've lived in two other countries and migrated legally to one before returning to the U.S. Most people don't know how good they have it here, me personally, until you compare it something else. If you've read any of my other posts, I'm pro-national but I don't want to be some d*mb*ss flagwaver who spouts "love it or leave it". It took my father 10 years to get in here. Amnesty to illegals is not only insulting to me personally, but it goes against everything this country was founded on. (And, I say that tongue-in-cheek because our founding roots started on a slave's back.) This form of labor is more insidious because it's packaged under the "well-being of those who are less fortunate". Do other countries who share borders have this problem? Is it because we can spend trillions on a war for oil but not enough on border patrol? Did it take a terrorist act to realize that we're just as vulnerable as anyone else? This, I hope, is not proselytizing. All countries have rigid immigration laws; you can't walk in and squat and then claim that you have rights and expect the government to change its laws to suit your needs. This line of thinking is wrong in so many ways. | ||
| M1combat |
So Hormel Chili goes up 10% and medical costs go down 10%... Works for me. Pay taxes or leave. There's a street corner in my town where you can go pick up migrant workers and they'll do whatever work you want them to for $10/hr. No taxes makes that roughly equivalent to $14 (not to mention free midical coverage, their sancha AND their wife collect welfare and they force my bank to have deposit slips in Spanish). If there's a natural citizen that won't work for $14 /hr... kick them out too. (Message edited by M1Combat on May 01, 2006) | ||
| Scott_in_nh |
"Would you buy a hamburger for 6 bucks everyday if that would help you in knowing that those making the burgers are able to take care of thier family, drive a nice car, etc. Or is it more important to buy a cheeseburger at a 1.50 everyday, thus helping you to take care of your family, drive a nice car." I know you were just offering this as an example, but would it really cost that much to have an American or legal resident flip my burger? No, if it cost $6, I'll eat at home, but if it is going to cost $1.75 to get it done ( a more realistic number I think, don't you?) then yes, I would pay it. I would also gladly pay .10 more per fruit or vegetable I buy in the grocery store as long as I know the extra money went to the legal person picking it.... | ||
| P0p0k0pf |
Lets look beyond the economy for a moment... Anyone who enters the country illegally is breaking American Law with their first step on our soil. It is selfish, malicious, and not to mention, unintelligent. Why leave a stagnant, corrupt country only to contribute to the stagnancy and corruption of the country you are traveling to? The welfare-draining, law-skirting aliens that come to this country are not victims with the right to demand a better life. They are parasitic invaders. They didn't feel like putting forth the effort to improve their own land, why the hell would they try it here? There was a movie about a race that tried the same thing... Independence Day. in·vade : to encroach upon : INFRINGE <invading> : to overrun as if by invading; infest: : to enter and spread within either normally (as in development) or abnormally (as in infection) often with harmful effects Notice I make no reference to race... The problem comes from all over the world, regardless of any specific race that poses the greatest problem. | ||
| Pcmodeler |
I sent this in to the local papers editorial (hasn't been published). I woke up this morning and found a family of immigrants living in my basement. However, I found they had done my laundry and cooked my breakfast. I couldn't really decide if I should kick them out, call the police or leave them be as they were doing tasks I didn't enjoy all that much anyway. Sure, they were in my house, but were they doing anything wrong??? One of my best friends is from Argentina. He came here with his family when he was twelve. They all have their green cards. He speaks english better than most americans......I have absolutely no ill will towards immigrants.....however, it's ILLEGAL immigrants that I have a problem with. As for the wages issue. The reason that most can work so cheap is that they aren't paying the taxes, etc. that the rest of us are.....and businesses find them desirable because they aren't paying taxes, social security, etc. | ||
| Lake_bueller |
From our local paper... "Dozens of Hispanic-owned restaurants and businesses in Green Bay are closed today as the Latin population shows its support of immigrant demonstrations around the country." I find that very humerous because the majority of their business is from the hispanic population. The only person they're hurting is themselves.  | ||
| Bomber |
It IS a truly complex issue -- with, of course, no simple answer -- but, for the record, many folks working illegally ARE paying taxes -- FICA, Income, many pay property, all pay sales taxes -- just a data point | ||
| P0p0k0pf |
Where is the data on that Bomber? Considering "undocumented workers" are just that...undocumented, how can any statement regarding what illegals pay be accurate? Vote for the Fair Tax! | ||
| Mikej |
Can any tax be fair? | ||
| Bomber |
P0 -- I know of many unregistered workers who do not have valid SSNs -- however, they are paid by check, so their pay is hit, like yours and mine -- if they own property, which is semi-common, they are taxed on it when they buy something, they pay sales tax (in those states so equipped) like many term's, "undocumented" has many shades of gray | ||
| M1combat |
There is a simple answer... Boot them out and let the chips fall where they may. Please don't accuse me of racism as I am not racist. Not even a little. I am against people being "Mexican American" instead of "American". I'm against people refusing to learn our language. I'm against the fact that if a hispanic LOOKING person (who is an American to the core) doesn't speak Spanish they are shunned by the immigrants. I'm against paying higher taxes due to the number of people collecting welfare (I understand this isn't solely a Mexican immigrant issue). I am against people making their own version of MY national anthem. I'm against forcing teachers to learn spanish because it takes less time than teaching 60 kids to speak English. I'm against contributing to BOTH the lack of books in schools AND the national debt AND my medical coverage costs. I'm against bottom line corporations who make a great deal of it possible. They say Americans aren't willing to do that work and I say their only interest is their bottom line. I've watched Americans can fish in Alaska. That's a disgusting job. I've watched old friends try to start land-scaping businesses but were unable to compete with the Illegal immigrant workers because there were NO costs regarding taxes, health care, SS, retirement, etc... That's wrong. It subverts our system. I say if you're willing to play by the rules, come on in. If you aren't... Go home. |
