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Jon
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 11:35 pm: | 
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I seem to recall the Dali painting being one in which the hands were covered by floating squares and not shown with nails. That's my recollection anyway. I could be wrong about that.
It struck me as steril and void of the blood and suffering that was Christ's as he was punished for the sins of the world. His crucifixon was anything but sterile and clean.
I should hunt for that image... |
Jon
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 11:38 pm: |
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http://www.canvaz.com/dali/small/dali-180-small.jpg
This is Salvador Dali's Crucifixion. |
Surfer351
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 03:21 am: |
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well tramp, i guess you put this out as bait-i'll bite-in the western world or at least in our part of it the Resurrection of the Christ is connected to the Jewish holiday of passover-I am sure you are aware of this but would rather deal with bunnies and such as it is probably easier than dealing with the actual historical facts of a risen Saviour who will one day return to judge the quick and the dead |
Tramp
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 07:04 am: |
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at ease, surfer.
i was stating a simple fact.
the celebration of the return of the sun, rebirth, etc., symbolized through eggs and rabbits,
was celebrated by europeans long before judeo-christianity came into being.
let's not categorize all new info, of which we may have been unaware before, as 'bait'.
sometimes it's nice to learn new things.
doesn't make anyone a bad person, or a bad christian. |
Johnnylunchbox
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 07:59 am: |
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...I'll add that even the Christmas tree was the symbol of the pagan Roman holiday Saturnalia. The Romans celebrated the evergreen as a symbol of life, since to them all the other trees "died" in the winter, yet the evergreen lived. |
Jon
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 02:39 pm: |
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I'm pretty sure Tramp is right. That's why it is a matter of personal conviction as to how a believer participates or doesn't participate in the two holidays mentioned. I look to the spiritual first, but enjoy the Christmas season tremendously for example. |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 05:42 pm: |
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Jon, Dali did paint the picture I posted. I believe it is named 'Christ of Saint John of The Cross'.
It sits in a gallery in Glasgow, Scotland.
I believe the clean sterile image was part of Dali's surreal way of showing the viewer that Christ had arrived at a place where life existed after death. That's why the cross with Christ upon it is above and facing down. He has risen, and is looking down upon an idealistic setting, giving the viewer the opportunity to lose themselves in the thought of what might be when their time comes.
The painting is certainly regarded as one of the best from the 20th century.
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Cochise
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 06:35 pm: |
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LIke me, I don't really push the Halloween "holiday". My kids go get candy from the neighbors, but that's about it. I don't dress them like ghouls and gobblins, just princesses and fairies, no, not ferries. I try to keep the Holidays that I DO celebrate to the reason of the season. Thanksgiving: Thankfulness for what the Lord has provided. Christmas: The day Jesus Christ was born, (no not the ACTUAL date). Easter: The day that Jesus Christ rose from the dead after Dying on the Cross. |
Tramp
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 09:03 pm: |
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some holidays can be celebrated simply for the fun of it.
were we to dissect everything to find which elemnts are and aren't in exact line with our own beliefs, we'd have hardcore christians celebrating christmas only in may (a roman catholic pope decided to change the dates around) with NO christmas tree; Easter with NO bunnies, eggs or peeps, but with wine and meat, instead.
Thanksgiving is an ancient pan-cultural celebration of thanks for a bountiful harvest, celebrated in some form or another by many diverse religions at harvest. |
Oldog
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 09:30 pm: |
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Thanks To Rocket and Tramp for the info:
Interesting art and history lessons,
Surfer a point to ponder
the early church had to contend with many things for instance the pagans of the time performed sacrifices as did the Jews,
some of early believers felt that it was wrong to eat the meat sacrificed to the "idols". St Pauls' Take on it applies here, most believers don't get hung up on the bunny and fat man in the chimney thing, Ultimately Its between you and GOD if it bothers you don't observe it but remember We are not given licence to down any one else if they do.
Because It's more a matter of where your heart is than when you celebrate |
Tramp
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 09:42 pm: |
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....um...when 'the church' burned 'heretics' at the stake, in the name of god, they were essentially performing sacrifices, as well.
hell, 'the church' burned st. joan of arc alive, at the stake, and later canonized her for sainthood.
historical fact which the church fully acknowledges.
when conquistadors swept through south and central america, pouring molten gold down the throats of live indian men, women nd children, by the tens of thousands, mind you, directed by roman catholic priests who read rosaries aloud, I think that qualified as human sacrifice. |
Oldog
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 09:49 pm: |
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Sadly:
a lot of things are done "in the name of GOD"
I would wager that there will be some suprized folks some day .... |
Jon
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 12:43 am: |
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Cochise,
Same here on the holidays you mentioned. All a matter of choice. |
Surfer351
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 04:43 am: |
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you may have misunderstood-Toona posted a picture and commented "Don't Miss the Real reason for Easter" the response "... celebrated across Europe for many centuries, B.C. ..."--of course the term Easter has no Biblical justification as it derives from the great mother goddess of the Saxson people " Eostre "--in fact most cultures in the ancient world had religious ceremony at the spring equinox that involved eggs and the mother goddess--this has its roots back to the queen of babel Semiramis wife of Nimrod the mother goddess a.k.a. Ishtar, Astarte, Ostera, Eastre, Ashtaroth and Eostre. This mother goddess, queen of heaven, wife of baal answer to Toona's picture is the bait--The most crucial point of the Gospel(Good News)is the resurrection--believe what you want about bunnies and such I wouldn't think of "downing" you for your beliefs--don't know how to insert smiley face please consider one here |
Jon
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 12:30 pm: |
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It is good to understand these things and not adhere blindly to mere religious prejudice. I'm impressed with the temper of this discussion.
The mixing of these various popular holidays with the biblical events that we tend to attach them to can diminish the spiritual and bring confusion. As people in Europe began to believe in Christ, some of these holidays may have been re-arranged to emphasise the Lord. I'm speculating.
BTW, I've always hated marshmellow chickies but am in favor of dark chocolate bunnies. |
Bomber
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 12:50 pm: |
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I always figured a person's faith and the manner in which they choose to celebrate it was their bidness --
back to the original topic at hand:
http://www.lordofthepeeps.com/lotp/fotp.html |
Raraf
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 12:55 pm: |
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The Mother of All Easter Turderken
http://asteroid.divnull.com/?p=70 |
Tramp
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 08:30 pm: |
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genius.raraf |
Jon
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 09:06 pm: |
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Often the thread drift is better than the topic that spawned it. No need to hang up the drift, but feel free to talk about whatever you want to. |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 05:31 pm: |
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Blasphemy! Edible bunnies must be made from only the of creamiest milk chocolate! |
Iamike
| | Posted on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 05:44 pm: |
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Speaking of holidays for the fun of it.. you should have seen me trying to explain Ground Hog day to an Iranian friend. It was pretty comical. |
Jon
| | Posted on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 06:17 pm: |
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Yeah...I guess your right about milk chocolate bunnies...but they gotta be solid then!
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Court
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Happy Easter 2009
I'm looking forward to a relaxing day of being thankful and praying for the safety and safe return of all our American Service Men and Women as well as Captain Richard Phillips.
Court |
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