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Skyguy
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 11:34 pm: | 
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Lowflier, LOL
BTW I was screened by the Secret Service about four years ago as I am the only Tandem Paragliding Instructor to have taken a U.S. Senator (and his wife) for a flight. Who? Senator Patrick Leahy!
Kinda funny but when he landed one of the Joint Cheifs of Staff called and all Pat could do was interupt him and go on and on about what he just did.
I still have the letter thanking me. In that letter he said he even talked about the experience with the President and told him what a great instructor I was.
ThansXB9rs, I am not left, right or center. I have voted democratic, republican and green. I am one of those very rare people that looks at issues and make my decision independent of party.
I think it sad that anyone who does not like the current administration is called leftist.
I was also a hardcore symbolic logic freak in college and I love political and religious debates. I even debate points oppisite of what I personaly believe. Unfortunatly it is very difficult to find people with such a background to argue with. So every once in awhile I throw something out to see if there are any like minded folks. So far "spreadem" has been just about the only one to clearly and logicly stated his "counterpoint" without getting emotive. |
Cataract2
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 09:37 am: |
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Little thing to think about Sky, if someone starts a thread and it's not political. Don't try to pump in your "logic" to make it political. This thread wasn't started that way and from the looks of it your tried to make it so. |
Bomber
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 09:48 am: |
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Duck -- not sure if pellets are the right term, but there's some stuff in my lower back and legs that occasionally makes airport security pay me a lil more attention than might be warrented ;-}
BluzM2 -- I think part of the reason it's casuing such a flap is that we've come to expect full disclosuer about durned near everything fromour elected officials -- whether this is a good thing is debatable, but it is the case on both siudes of the aisle, I've observed
I've seen almost everything on this thread turned into a political or religious debate -- by folks on both sides of the aisle (and in the middle, as well), including some that are moderators -- it never occured to me that what I thought was a humorous story (due entirely to the cast of characters) would have brought the worst out oin so many --
sorry I posted it -- I'll know better next time. |
Brucelee
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 10:02 am: |
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It is amazing to me that a hunting accident has generated the kind of response that it has.
It was an accident and sadly theses things happen all the time in this sport.
Too bad the American press and our comedians have so little to chat about but this kind of stuff. I didn't know that THEY were perfect and never commit a mistake of any kind (Did they cover Dan Rather's blow up with such zeal>?.
My wishes to the BOTH victims for a speedy recovery.
And comments about a potential injury to the VP are clearly in poor taste. |
Buellbozo
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 10:19 am: |
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How can a thread that starts with a joke about the vice president {"especially in Tejas") not have a political aspect?
I am guilty of making comments on occasion that I know will ruffle somebodies feathers.
White House press spokesman McClellan and the spin doctors are already blaming the man who was shot, not the man who shot.
Skyguy, if you're like me, you expected an unfavorable response, just as I do for this post. We're not allowed to yell fire in a theater either. you know that.
But boy oh boy these bushies sure are getting touchy these days. Maybe I'll get banned 'cuz I think they're a bunch of incompetent idealogues.
Nomex on. |
Lowflyer
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 10:22 am: |
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Cataract,
I hate to disagree with you, but any thread with a high-profile political figure as the subject is political by nature. I don't like anyone badmouthing the President or his administration, but it's sort of fair game when somebody starts a "Dick Cheney shot a man" thread.
I could see your point entirely if this was a "Ronald McDonald shot a man" thread, for example.
That said, anyone that threatens to physically assault the President's nads and "jokes" about killing the VP should spend time in a federal pen and then be deported to Iraq. |
Buellbozo
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 10:51 am: |
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Clarification.
"Incompetent idealogues" is in reference to the current administration-NOT to those on this forum whose opinions are different from mine.
Nomex still on.Wish I had some Kevlar... |
Blake
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 01:54 pm: |
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"This apology was forced upon me BTW."
Wrong. And that then is no apology. You simply are not welcome here if you are unable to put forth a sincere apology. No one is forcing you to do so. It is entirely your choice. Try again? |
Blake
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 01:56 pm: |
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Bomber,
No shit! I am so sick and tired of the political divisiveness. Been there, done that. Live and learn I guess. |
Blake
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 02:22 pm: |
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Bozo,
If as reported the victim failed to announce his approach to a group of men all carrying loaded shotguns guns and all intent on shooting any quail flushed from their immediate area, who do you propose is to blame?
It was an unfortunate accident, accident, meaning unintentional. The veep obviously didn't see the man and didn't know his location. Who's fault is that?
I bet if the victim were a bit younger and more alert, he could have seen what was transpiring and hit the deck in time to avoid being shot. If he were smart, he would have yelled out to indicate his close proximity to the group of hunters.
I do also think though that the entire group should have been helping him locate his downed quail. |
Henrik
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 02:42 pm: |
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Was this a professionally "guided" hunt?
I don't know how that kind of flush hunting is done here in the US, but there are very strict rules for these scenarios in Europe. Everyone in a hunting party have very specific places assigned, and must stay within the "marching order", and everything is meticulously "choreographed". No way this should even have been a possibility.
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Skyguy
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 03:01 pm: |
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Blake, You demanded a sincere apology for my Cheney post or you would suspend my account. If you feel the need to suspend my account because of a jest then go for it.
It blows my mind that you are allowed to throw your weight around in such a manner. You called me ignorant when I said that the R-1 would smoke the XBRR and you offered no apology. Personaly I think calling members of this board names is reprehensable and more deserving of suspension than my political opinions.
You also overreacted to the Cheney post and clearly wish to take it out of context in order to make trouble for someone you previously flamed over a non political opinion. If you look over all of my posts (which I am sure you have) you will see that I have never called anyone on this board any names or flamed anyone on this board. for their opinions. I may have my opinions about the current administration but I have treated everyone that posts here with respect. Which is more than I think a few people here can say about you.
I would ask the other moderators of this board to make a decision regarding my participation here. If they feel I am out of line I will not make any more political coments. But an apology for my comment will not happen. Why? Becasue I did not make a threat against Cheney. Can't you read? there is a big difference between "IF I was hunting with" and "I AM going to shoot"
It is more than apparent that you simply dont like my politics. Be a man and talk about this on an open forum. Because until the secret service knocks on my door (which they won't) you are showing a petty litle bias that is unbecoming a moderator. Notice I still have not called YOU any names? |
Bomber
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 03:04 pm: |
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H -- don't know if it was pro guided ... given the cast of characters, I would guess pro semi-guided (who's gonna tell the Veep what to do?) --generally things are run in a similar manner as you described here in the states -- not seeing a diagram of where who was when, I don't know what happened here -- a number of factors could have influanced things -- a group of old friends in too relaxed an atmosphere, the gunner shooting up range (rather than down), the shotted wandering without paying enough attention
some of the press is already blaming the shooted -- interesting turn of events, as the folks that taught ME weapons safety (my dad and a buncha very tought Seargents) pounded the gunner's responsibility in this regard into my noggin -- as a result, I'm proud to say, many many rounds sent down range, no friendlies ever hit.
I trust the gent recovers from his wounds. |
Road_thing
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 03:33 pm: |
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Skyguy, the Cheney post was out of line. An apology was/is in order, Blake (as owner of the site) is perfectly justified in demanding it.
rt |
Skyguy
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 03:59 pm: |
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Lowflier, Arghh! I did not threaten to kill the VP. I think BuellBozo is right you Bushies are getting a little touchy.
One of the things that made this country great is the ability to practice a little something called "free speech". Political debates are what keeps this country strong. If you jailed everyone that has said they want to kick the prez in the nads or anything else even similar then this would be Iraq. I think Saddam jailed everyone that did not agree with him also........
Go take a look at Craigs List rants and raves section and you will see that there are a lot of people with thoughts much nastier than a swift kick in the nads. There may be to many to jail.
Being a patriot does not nessecarily mean agreeing with the current administration. My dislike for Bush and Company does not extend to our armed forces. I have huge respect for them and given the opportunity I would enlist in a second flat.
I would have served when I was younger except I grew up with hippie parents and it took a long time to see past the "brainwashing" I received as a kid. They were as narrow minded as some of the Bushies are. I am pretty well known in the little town I live in and trust me when I say that not a single member of the armed services has paid for a cup of coffee when I have been around.
My best friend in the world is a pro bush, pro life, born again christian republican. We are great friends and both recognize that opinions are opinions. They do not nessecarily define what kind of person they are. We define people based on their dedication to family, friends and their ability to do the right thing. We have awesome political and religious debates but it never gets nasty. In fact he sent Clinton an email offering to kick him in the nads....... Thats why I sent mine heck I did it right in front of him!
I do think it sad that a lot of people can not agree to disagree on some things and get along anyway.
Anyway I will drop the political comments not because of the threat of suspension by Blake but because I do not wish to rile some of you guys up. To bad though it could have been fun!
BTW the R-1LE will Smoke a XBRR! |
Road_thing
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 04:02 pm: |
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Henrik, Bomber, I've not hunted on the ranch in question, but on a 50,000 acre S Tx ranch, I can't imagine anything less than a full-time guide, probably an employee of the ranch. Add in the fact that the VP is a repeat guest, and I'd be astonished if it were anything less than first-class all the way.
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Lowflyer
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 04:04 pm: |
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People get shot while bird hunting all the time. Dogs probably get it even more often. I don't understand what the big deal is if the VP shot an old lawyer dude. |
Skyguy
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 04:06 pm: |
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Road thing thanks for the heads on the ownership of the site. It explains why he was ok with calling me ignorant regarding my R-1 vs. XBRR post. Given that knowlege consider my participation in this forum over. I don't like hypocrits.
(Message edited by skyguy on February 14, 2006) |
Lowflyer
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 04:10 pm: |
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Bye Bye Skyguy. |
Lowflyer
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 04:12 pm: |
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Seriously, we all need to be praying for this accident victim. I just read that he suffered a mild heart attack and is in ICU at the moment. |
Road_thing
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 04:13 pm: |
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I will drop the political comments
Excellent! We've had a policy of avoiding them on this site ever since the last presidential election. It looks like you've joined the BWB since then, so it's understandable that you missed that.
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Road_thing
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 04:18 pm: |
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Nice parting shot, there, skyguy...
...so much for dropping the political comments.
rt |
Blake
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 04:22 pm: |
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Skyguy,
Okay, you prefer I handle the issue publicly, fine by me. I had hoped to spare you some embarrassment, but as you wish.
I had zero recollection of you being the target of my "ignorant" accusation. Either way, that is entirely irrelevant. That dialogue has/had ZERO pertinence wrt the issue at hand. I do stand by that characterization wrt your knowledge of the XBRR, as I know that you have ZERO knowledge of the relative performance capabilities of the XBRR compared to an R1. Thus, along with me and many others, you are indeed ignorant on that point. Your statement was pure conjecture and it was entirely unfair and very likely inaccurate. Could I have tactfully worded my rebuttal to your BS assertion? Sure. I suggest however that if you cannot stand the return heat, don't throw out the firebombs, and don't pretend like you know something you really truly do not. Again, entirely irrelevant to the issue at hand.
My last private request to you via conditional suspension of posting privileges was merely that you post a sincere apology or cease contributing to this forum. You had to agree to that in order to regain posting privileges. That has nothing to do with my personal feelings and everything to do with protecting the integrity of this discussion board.
Twice now you've explicitly agreed to honor official BadWeB custodial requests, twice now you've done so disingenuously. You've yet to honor either of the requests to which you have agreed choosing instead to argue and excuse your unacceptable behavior. This is strike three.
Should you decide to honor board policy and the requests of board custodians, you may petition us for reinstatement of your posting privileges. Until then, your contributions here are unwelcome. We simply cannot afford to support the type of commentary that you feel is appropriate here. Period. |
Buellbozo
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 05:04 pm: |
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Blake,
I didn't quite mean to play the blame game.
I'm not a hunter.
Accidents are accidents. That doesn't mean that no one is responsible for one happening.
In my ignorance, I assumed that the ultimate responsibility belongs to the person who fired the gun.
If that ain't the way it is, IMHO it oughta be.
Please note that liberal fuzzy thinking me also called the offender on his totally inappropriate post.
Peace. |
Bob_thompson
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 05:09 pm: |
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Coming in to this discussion a little late but being raised this way and whenever hunting any birds within a group I was taught correctly to fire only in "my line of fire", i.e. person on left, shoots straight ahead and to the left only, person on right straight ahead and to the right only. middle person only straight ahead. Never crossing avenues of fire. And never turning around to fire under any circumstances and trying your best to stay on line and not getting ahead or behind your party. It can be casual and fun but some rules need to apply. It can be deadly. Guns can kill, period. Everybody has to look out for everyone else. No quary is worth a human life. Not knowing all the circumstances but if any of these basics were violated all in the hunting party could be partly responsible. Now lets hope that Mr. Whittington makes a full recovery and hunts some more. Its a great sport and we can all learn from this and hopefully keep politics where they belong. Not in the hunting fields. Now lets ride. |
Brucelee
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 10:20 am: |
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"Now lets hope that Mr. Whittington makes a full recovery and hunts some more. Its a great sport and we can all learn from this and hopefully keep politics where they belong. Not in the hunting fields. Now lets ride."
Well said! |
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