| Author | Message | ||
     Newfie_buell |
Capt. Pete, I have heard that about Tuna. The big Tuna are fished here as well and the fishermen have to be very very careful when they are landed. You basically have to beat them out to near death just to get them into the boat. The Chinese and Japanese Buyers are usually waiting at the warf and pick out the best ones (those with the least bruising). I wouldn't be able to kill anything but bugs unless I had to eat it. | ||
| Newfie_buell |
Dog Article | ||
| Blake |
"This isnt somethign even relatively new in the scope of history, and why it shoudl be an issue NOW, is beyond me." The enslavers said the same thing about slavery. It should be an issue because it is evil. Anyone with a conscience knows it. All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing. So listen up all ye prevaricators and excuse makers and relativists. I'll make it my business any time I feel like it. It is bewildering to me that so many people are offended by my sincere loathing of reported abhorrently cruel mistreatment/torture of domestic dogs in China. Sad, really, really sad. (Message edited by blake on January 31, 2006) | ||
| Oldog |
BG: My dog was Loved and returned the K9 analog of it back to me, perhaps you are right, perhaps not ALL commentary by the scientific community on this subject is speculitive in nature as we can't communicate directly with dogs to ask them. we can observe dogs and wolves in the wild, we can observe dogs in a domsetic setting we can apply rules that fit the behaviour one set says "pack animal", the other says "PET" just like other issues say like "evolution" its a "theroy" and many accept it as fact when in fact its speculation, with observation, and some well thought out rules to go with it. I put it to you that reguardless of your view, you hate to see animals cruely treated as do I | ||
| Charlieboy6649 |
I take the Fat Bastard approach. If it's smaller than me, I eat it. If it's bigger than me, I run LOL! I'm a hunter, I have traveled, I'm a dog lover, yet I have eaten dog. Any human is liable to have a connection with any animal; be it dog, horse, or even bear. I think that lack of connection is what allows most people to say, "Hmm, I think I'll eat it..." The most important thing, and I have to agree with Blake, is the animal must not be made to suffer. Even at USMC survival school, they teach clubbing of prey. Clubbing to most people sounds cruel (think baby seals) but it's the fastest way to dispatch an animal. Technique is involved... | ||
| Chasespeed |
Okay, suffering aside,(hypothetical) IF you make it your business, to ensure that people dont eat dog, THEN by rights, the Hindus, adn muslims, can make it their business to enusre we dont eat red meat, and/or white meat.....or the fact that we raise, and keep in captivity animal, just for the purpose of slaughter? That is against...I belive(though I may be way off), Hindu beliefs..If I am correct(I am going off of memory here), they believe that each life, is special, whether an ant, all the way to a "sacred" cow... I am not condoning, OR condeming the practice.... The concept of evil, IS, different to each person. I wont even go into what I consider evil. But on the same note, there are things I do, that others consider completely evil... I got one, that shoudl open a can of worms... The Crusades...nevermind, dont wanna hijack the thread. Again, know it isnt anythign personal. I have been around the world a couple times, and I am just trying to provide a different side to the opinion... Again, i have not stated whether I agree with, or disagree with...nor will I. Chase | ||
| Buellinmke |
Blake said: The KKK did likewise towards blacks. The nazis did likewise towards Jews. Americans did likewise towards our native population. That kind of thinking is pure evil. Suggest you shun it and develop some empathy for the lesser creatures of this world, especially those who serve us so loyaly and so well. Blake, you are truly ignorant. How dare you compare the suffering of my African American brothers and sisters with dogs? Then you go on to do the same with Jews and Native Americans. Unbelievable. The worst part, however, is that you then suggest your readers 'develop some empathy for the lesser creatures of the world, especially those who serve us so loyaly and well.' What makes African Americans, Jews, and Native Americans the 'lesser creatures of the world who serve so loyaly and well'? Blake, you are truly and ignorant, racist, pig. You want to get rid of evil? Then perhaps you should start with yourself. | ||
| Djkaplan |
I think it's more brutal and less humane to breed a dog to fight to death for pleasure. This kind of thing goes on all the time in the US. It's our backyard. Where is the outrage on this thread about that? | ||
| Skyguy |
In my youth I was a very pro active "Earth Firster" and liklely would have taken up with PITA had I not been so involved in saving the planet. Truth of the matter is back then we changed nothing. The forests still got cut, the building built and the rivers dammed. All we really succeded in acomplishing was the galvanization of the general public to our cause. I feel the same way about getting involved in the business of Korean dog eaters. They are going to do what they do until they evolve past it. In fact I bet a lot less people think eating dog is ok now then 30 years ago. Personally, despite my intense love of my dog and animals in general I am more concerned about what is happening in Darfur (Africa) as there are people dying horrible deaths every day. When is our dipshit president going to do something about that! | ||
| Spreadem |
Buelinmke- What you just did was the WRONG answer. You have no frickin right to use this thread, or this forum, to throw personal attacks at good people. Especially ones who created the forum. If you look above, you'll see that there is plenty of agreement and disagreement with issues Blake has brought up. You can disagree, you can say "I think the context you put these comparisons in is out of line", but you have NO right at all to take a conversational thread and turn it into a staging ground for calling people pigs, racists, ignorant, or evil. Blake has gotta be the farthest from on every one of those descriptions, and who are you to make that judgement? Take your crap elsewhere, cause I've got a pretty damned good feeling it isn't wanted on this thread, or Badweb. | ||
| Skyguy |
Spreadem said it. If you can't express a differing opinion with someone on this board without falling back on name calling.......... Maybe you are on the wrong board. Methinks the moderator should red flag your account. Next time Wham your gone. | ||
| Lowflyer |
"When is our dipshit president going to do something about that!" I was sort of following until you spat that out. You have to understand that it is not the job of the President of the United States to fix everything that is wrong with the world. You people that think he is stupid quite obviously have never held a leadership position and likely never will hold one of any consequence. I bet if you sat in the same room with him and actually spoke to the man, you would find that he is quite a normal American man like any one of us, and I doubt you would have the guts to call him a "dipshit." Calling anyone a dipshit in a forum like this is pretty damned cowardly if you ask me. So, why spew that crap here? (Message edited by lowflyer on February 01, 2006) | ||
| Spreadem |
I'm thinking this thread just needs to quietly disappear, before it gets any worse. | ||
| Lowflyer |
I agree. This is becoming a monster. | ||
| Skyguy |
Sorry Low flier. But the Pres. is not a member of this forum. I would never treat a fellow Bueller that way as I have way more respect for this crowd. I strongly disagree with many of the policies of our current "leader" and did not post anything here I did not email to the White House. Despite not likeing Bush at all I like Cindy Shehan even less....... BTW Haliburton just got another "no bid" contract for a couple of Billion dollars (hard to tell exactly how much as it is an open ended contract lasting four years). this time to build detention facilites for ileagle immigrents............ | ||
| Djkaplan |
"This is becoming a monster." Agreed. Baseless accusations are being carelessly flung about at this point. This is my last contribution on this thread. | ||
| Chasespeed |
You people that think he is stupid quite obviously have never held a leadership position and likely never will hold one of any consequence. Agreed.... One of the problems with being a leader, is making decisions, that not even will like, hell, maybe NO ONE will like them. It sucks, but thats a fact of life... YOU CANNOT make everyone happy. Thus, you are limited, to the greater good, the good of the many, etc. Being able to make those decisions, is what makes a leader. In some instances, you may have to send someone to do something, that they WILL NOT survive, but, it COULD save everyone else, then again it may be futile.... Sure, he has made mistakes, BUT, that is just human nature. Even being the/one of the, most powerful people, in the freeworld, he is still human. Any name calling, in this thread, or the board for that matter, is ABSOLUTELTY, wrong. This is a strong community..lets keep it that way. While, I may or may not agree with this topic, I went to great lengths, to make I wasnt calling anyone names, or the like....just not warranted. Everyone, has a right to their opinion, let them have, whether you agree with it or not..so, let that die there...please. I also agree with Spreadem, to a point. dont make the thread disapear, BUT, if people cant control the name calling, and limit it only to opinions on perspective, and/or facts, lock teh thread. There have actually been some good arguments in here, but..the name calling, and finger pointing, makes this a "bad" thread in my opinion. Again, I will ask, please refrain from name calling. Also, Blake has not before, in any post I have ever read, expressed any indication that he is racist. SO, even if he is(though, I suspect not), its his CHOICE, and as long as he isnt expressing those veiws, especially in a manner to offend someone, it is irrelevent.\ What I got out of his statement, that you found so offensive, is, that, IN HIS EYES, he feels that the amount of cruelty in this issue, is equal to the suffering that was dealt out in the past....no more, no less. I personally, enjoy topics fo conversation, that encourage people, to express their thoughts, and opinions. BUT, when it becomes personal, that is a problem. And this statement, is a bit ignorant as well, IN MY OPINION(that means it doesnt warrant name calling).... "How dare you compare the suffering of my African American brothers and sisters with dogs?" What I get outta that, is that you are A, really, really old, as there is no slavery anymore in teh US, hasnt been in....well, not in our lifetimes.. And, yeah, its possible, you are old enough to have lived the the era, of segregation... More than likely, you are talking of people you DECEND from... BUT, in todays society, there isnt any of that. You will never abolish racism, that is an individual thing. Just like their are 20 year old peopel now, that hate white people, becuase of something that happened, a hundered or so years ago(I make no claim to accuracy on that amount of time).. Its a fact of life. There is so much hate and discontent in the world, and in some cases, one fire, fuels another....and it creates a cycle... Basically, in that sense, the past is the PAST, you cant change it...and teh people who DID actually suffer through it..well, they are gone.. SO, no one OWES anyone anything.. WE learn from the past..both mistakes, and sucesses... Besides, african americans arent the only people who have suffered, nor the Jewsih people.. How about italian vs. irish problems???? Thats recent...but do I go around beating/hating every irish person I see? NO. Big deal, its doen and over with... Its there, and it isnt/wasnt limited to exuse the phrase please, but, Black and White... Please, dont make this more than it is. Someone was expressing, what HE considered, the severity of the problem to be in HIS eyes... AND, if there is someone who has personally enslaved you or your brothers and sisters, let us know, as I am sure everyone here, woudl go to great lengths to ensure, that stops.... This is the 21st century people... Again, expressing my opinion...and nothing more.. and if I have offened anyone, I can assure you, that isnt the intent....BUT, I also dont believe in teh "politically correct" b/s...free speech, deal with it. I could go into alot more about this, but, I wont, as I KNOW, it will raise a storm of problems.. Yeah, I am an opinionated guy aint I?....lol Chase} | ||
| Blake |
Clarification For Joe (Buellnmke): Joe, I did not intend to insult, demean, belittle, or even compare the plight of any persecuted and/or oppressed peoples to that of the dogs in China. My one and only intent was to illustrate the cost of excusing evil behavior, whatever and where-ever it may transpire. I used an extreme example for sure. You should know Joe that I don't delineate between the human races or cultures when it comes to cruel treatment, dignity, value, rights, respect, friendship, anything. I do recognize that black men in general are superior athletes.  Damn, I'm a racist pig! Joe, I view the dignity of all my human brothers and sisters equally. Period. I don't sequester myself from humanity by race, the color of my skin, or by my ethnic origins. I view with equal loathing the evil mindsets of the nazis, KKK, the WW-II imperial Japanese, the Hutus, Saddam Hussein's baathist mass murderers, the kmer rouge, Stalin's red army, or any other group, culture, or oranization that excuses the perpetration of cruelty by saying something like "This isn't something even relatively new in the scope of history, and why it should be an issue NOW, is beyond me." It is an issue because it is wrong, cruel and just plain evil. Thanks Wade for sticking your neck out for me. I really appreciate it. Thanks too to Tim, Lowflyer (name?) and Daniel. Y'all and Wade are wonderful examples of how this place can and should be self-policing. I'm sure Joe will reread my statements and my clarification above and will reconsider his vitriolic accusations. Then again, I may be a truly ignorant racist pig.  Recognizing that is the first step, right? Oink? That reminds me of the time I first met MikeyP in NJ back in May 2001. One of the BadWeB discussions about that time involved me vigorously condemning the view of one individual who held that blacks enslaved in the Americas were no worse off and in no greater number compared to white indentured servants from Europe. Apparently Mike saw my vigorous refutation of that contention and figured that such passion on the issue must be indicative of my racial heritage. As I pulled into the parking lot on my all black Cyclone and withdrew my helmet the first words out of Mike's mouth were and incredulous "You're not black!" LOL! I apologized for my shortcoming in the skin pigment and ethnic cultural areas and once he recovered from the disappointment, we got on just fine; we've been friends ever since. I can understand though how grumpy a man can get, let alone a black man, in Milwaukee during the middle of Winter. Move South Mr. Anderson! (Message edited by blake on February 01, 2006) | ||
| Blake |
Thanks to Chase too. Cross posted.  | ||
| Blake |
Actually, BadWeB could probably use an ABM to help spice things up now and again. Joe seems to fit that role pretty well. | ||
| Chasespeed |
Thanks to Chase too. NOt a prob, I try to go by this.. Judge a man, not by his appearance, views, or opinions, BUT, by hios principles, and actions. Adn whats a ABM? Chase} | ||
| Spreadem |
Blake, who the hell is Buellinmke?? I did a search of all 12 posts he's made in the last 2 years. Every one is more inflammatory than the last and involve calling people nazis, racists, etc. There was an interesting thread a while back that involved him plagiarizing stories. And then there was the alter ego "UNCBuell"...Is this a real person, or someone on Badweb trying to post their thoughts without giving away their identity? Can you track or match the IP address to see who it is? Either way, I don't see any reason why he needs to be allowed to post here anymore. He hasn't posted anything bike related, let alone contributed a single word that was positive. Merely political views meant to rile people up... | ||
| Spreadem |
Oh and no problem backing you up. I stay away when people deserve and get what they have coming, but that crap directed at you was not warranted, completely baseless, and way out of line. | ||
| Oldog |
looks like the dust settled on the above, the racist comments directed to Blake were out'a line. The buellers are easy to spot so are the "others" Blake thanks for hosting the BWB, | ||
| Skyguy |
NP Blake  . Although I have to admit I need to watch myself though as I love a good agrument! In fact I have taken sides I don't even believe in just to argue the points. lol. It is only fun until someone gets angry though. | ||
| Kdan |
I can unequivocally say that this is one of the more mature, civilized and thoroughly entertaining enthusiast websites anywhere. Blake is a good guy, most of us are decent people. Many are opinionated assholes. Just like in real life! | ||
| Ghostrider |
Ghostrider, First off I apologize to you for my remarks directed at you. Sorry! Honu/Craig - no sweat! I'm not offended at all. This is a friendly debate, at least on my end. Just because we don't always agree doesn't mean that we won't ever. I enjoyed meeting and riding with you in Colorado this year and I know you're a smart and friendly guy. Just because you're a left-wing, commie-pinko doesn't mean that I won't ride with you again!!  Just Kidding!! It's all fun and games until someone eats a dog! BTW: I don't know if I mentioned this, but I really don't like dogs at all. I'm not suggesting they should be for dinner. I just don't think they should be around when I'm around. | ||
| Chasespeed |
Honu/Craig - no sweat! I'm not offended at all. This is a friendly debate, at least on my end. Just because we don't always agree doesn't mean that we won't ever That is the spirit of this board in my opinion...thats one of the things that makes this a great place... Chase} | ||
| Newfie_buell |
Blake, I never took your comments being racist either. The thread did turn a little ugly back there. By the way if your ever up this way I'll have my father-in-law cook you up a good old feed of Seal Flipper Pie!!!! Yes you can buy that in the local supermarkets. | ||
| Spreadem |
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