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Josh_
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 03:00 pm: | 
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i'm thinking all the local bicyclists ought to be up in arms as well ... |
Bigj
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 03:34 pm: |
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No, I'm not trolling. In a general sense, a bike CAN be safer than a car when trying to AVOID a collision. But when the collision actually happens(and it will), you're much safer in a car than riding a bike. You could reasonably argue that you don't HAVE to ride a bike.
Now whether or not you're actually stupid for riding a bike, that is up to you to decide. Personal safety may not be as important to you, or you feel it is reasonable tradeoff for the benefits of riding. Factually, I think the Doc is right. |
Ryker77
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 03:47 pm: |
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I t-boned a car that pulled right out in front og me. At that point I sold both bikes-- vowed to not ride again. Bikes are just not safe. Too small to be seen. Stopping power is great but not enough to go from 65-0 in 10 feet. And provided little to no protection when in a wreck.
Classmate was on his bike at a redlight. SUV behind him saw the turn signal go green so she went... Right into the bike!
I know full well that choosing to ride a bike puts my life, income, and limbs at risk. I well never enjoy riding like I did before the wreck. I now keep 500,000 CSL insurance on my policy.
This doctor reminds me of a joke. J O K E
What do you tell a women with 2 black eyes?
Nothing you told her twice allready!
No the good doc would say its the womans fault for not having a hot supper when the man came home.
After 8 years in the Marines. Anything and everything can be pointed back at the person. |
Henrik
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 04:06 pm: |
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I guess I agree with BigJ and the Doctor about the first sentence in the first paragraph. People in general should be taking more responsibility for their actions and the consequences.
However - the rest is just a bunch of drivel. Taken to the extreme, innocent bystanders becoming victims of a drive-by shooting would then also be at fault. No reason to blame the shooter. The bystanders should simply have been somewhere else.
All in all a flawed and poorly thought through letter.
I'll work on a response tonight.
Henrik |
Metalstorm
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 04:16 pm: |
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Under that train of thought..(that of the Doc's letter)
Maybe it's the store clerk's fault that he died after he was shot durring a robbery cause..
A he was standing in the way of the bullet &
B A smart man wouldn't work the late shift.
Yep, sounds completely like the motorcycle was completely to blame just because he was on the road with vehicles. (Lots & lots of sarcasm)
I agree with personal safety bit but arn't we responsible for the safety of others as well?
I always thought I was responsible for my own actions & how they effect the area around me. |
No_rice
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 05:05 pm: |
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i believe the doctor.
i think it was my fault that i got to put 8 miles on my first street bike when i was 16. it was my fault i was driving the speed limit infront of the grade school i had gone to, and he hit me doing 60mph in town while running a yield sign.
if i had been thinking more clearly i would have been speeding too, and i would have been through the intersection before the army recruiter in the goverment vehical got there. that way i would have been safe and one of those damn little annoying kids would have gotten flattened when they went after a ball. makes perfect sense to me. survival o the fittest(sense the sarcasm i hope) |
No_rice
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 05:07 pm: |
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in the same sense, if it was my 6yr old daughter that had gotten run over by that guy if he hadnt hit me, then it would be that guys fault that i killed him in a fit of rage. he should have seen it coming and killed himself before i got ahold of him. |
Sgthigg
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 05:14 pm: |
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"Maybe it's the store clerk's fault that he died after he was shot durring a robbery cause..
A he was standing in the way of the bullet."
"A smart person would protect himself with a similarly sized vehicle. People can't depend on the law to protect them; they must do it themselves or face the consequences"
Humm... so if the store clerk even wore a bullet proof vest, but however it was not resistant to the type of bullet the robber shot at him.
Its still the clerks fault...LOL
Got to love it! |
Microchop
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 06:00 pm: |
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From the SAME newspaper, today:
Top Headlines
Breaking: Elkhart woman dies after car struck by train
OK everyone, go out and get a locomotive, it's the biggest thing out there! |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 06:49 pm: |
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Light keeper, yes. & I'm not allowed to joke about it. Actually yes, it's a poor choice for a job. Anyone need a precision machinist, tool & die, QC with SPC & milspec experience? Maybe need help building pc's? Must pay better than the semi cruddy pay at the USPS.
Oh yeah, Rozzi's a jerk. I'll see what my Cuz, the medical ethicist who's local to him has to say. |
Oldog
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 07:22 pm: |
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Glitch said (sort of)
ppl should ride a bike before they drive a car,
TRUE,
in that we should drive the safest vehicle we can I want to know where I can get an M1A1
it will be the other drivers fault if they get in the way of the shell I will lob in their direction if they turn in front of me, that way I wont be responcible for hitting them because they will be blown away 
the docs comments make me wonder where is he from
Uranus ? |
Bigj
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 08:36 pm: |
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You guys are missing the point. It doesn't matter who's at fault or who is responsible if you are the one that is dead. Fact remains: It's much easier to die on a motorcycle than a car in a collision.
I think of riding as one big game of "Frogger". But it's not really a game.
Just keep in mind. I commute 90 miles a day round trip, into LA and back. Five days a week, year 'round. That's my perspective. |
Doughnut
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 10:07 pm: |
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It's much easier to die on a motorcycle than a car in a collision.
Yes it is, but I don't think that is the point. The fact that it is easier to die on a motorcycle then in a car does not mean that the motorcycle takes on blame, or lessens the blame on the car. |
Sgthigg
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 10:41 pm: |
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"I think of riding as one big game of "Frogger". But it's not really a game."
Only with better graphics. Plus I heard there is no respaan ponts in real life. Compared to the game. |
Cataract2
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 11:24 pm: |
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Bigj, I don't think anyone on here is disputing that riding motorcycle's carries a risk factor that is greater than being in a car.
But to say we have some level of fault for the cause of an accident is not correct. The fact remains that drivers need to pay better attention and these things wouldn't happen.
There's also a sore spot with us being that each time something does happen the motorcyclist get's blamed somewhat and the driver of the cage gets away with a slap on the hand. |
Chainsaw
| | Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 09:19 am: |
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There's also a sore spot with us being that each time something does happen the motorcyclist get's blamed somewhat and the driver of the cage gets away with a slap on the hand.
Janklow comes to mind. We need to start charging drivers with Assault with a Deadly Weapon, take away their license and car, and put them in prison.
Aim your car at a cop, they shoot to kill. Aim your car at a biker, they charge you with a misdemeanor. |
Bikergoddess
| | Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 10:30 am: |
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Wow. So, how many here like the high price of gas?
It takes less energy to move a small vehicle than a large one. Therefore, it's possible to get better gas mileage. Less consumption means lower demand which means cheaper prices. So that all you SUV drivers spend less on your 8mpg behemoths.
Now, if all of us energy conscious people switched to gas guzzlers because soccer moms can't pay attention to what they're doing, who's going to pay?
I fail to see how it's *my* responsibility to ensure you're not an idiot.
Laura |
Loki
| | Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 11:25 am: |
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"A smart person would protect himself with a similarly sized vehicle. People can't depend on the law to protect them; they must do it themselves or face the consequences"
I can only hope the good doc really comprehends this statement. Also that it is shown in a prominent place in his home. For the sake and well being of his family and friends. |
Skyguy
| | Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 01:38 pm: |
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I have a buddy with the same philosophy. Crashed his Boxster while writing notes in his day planner on the interstate. A semi ran over the front of his car but he was uninjured. His answer? He bought a H-1.............. Screw skills just get a big enough vehicle that it only kills someone else. |
Ryker77
| | Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 03:22 pm: |
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It takes less energy to move a small vehicle than a large one. Therefore, it's possible to get better gas mileage. Less consumption means lower demand which means cheaper prices. So that all you SUV drivers spend less on your 8mpg behemoths. Now, if all of us energy conscious people switched to gas guzzlers because soccer moms can't pay attention to what they're doing, who's going to pay? "
which is why the wife and I drive diesel cars that get no less than 43mpg and I use biodiesel.
Not to bad for 150hp and 330ft/lbs of torque |
Blublak
| | Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 12:35 pm: |
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Hmmmm.. I guess nobody reminded this so called doctor..
The number one cuase of death in the United States.. Is DOCTORS! Don't belive it? Look at the numbers below. How many of these people are under a doctors care when they die as opposed to outside causes?
This is according to a report complied in the year 2002 of causality the previous year.
Major Cardiovasular Diseases 936,923 39.0%
Malignant Neoplasms 553,091 23.0%
Chronic Lower Resperitory Dis. 122,009 5.1%
Diabetes Mellitus 69,301 2.9%
Influenza and Pneumonia 65,313 2.7%
Alzheimers 49,558 2.1%
Motor Vehicle Accidents 43,354 1.8%
Renal Failure 3,647 1.5%
Septicemia 3,122 1.3% %
Firearms 28,663 1.2%
NOTE: Firearms Statistics Include Gang Warfare, Self Defense Shootings and Criminals Killed by Police. |
Midknyte
| | Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 12:49 pm: |
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(you guys need to take a breather)
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Cataract2
| | Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 01:22 pm: |
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The look on the guys face in the above picture just screams. "BRING IT BITCH!" |
Hdbobwithabuell
| | Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 02:11 pm: |
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"I fail to see how it's *my* responsibility to ensure you're not an idiot."
I used to say that until my failure to identify an individual as an idiot got me and my bike all broken. Now I just assume that everyone behind the wheel is an idiot and hope I can see them coming. |
Chasespeed
| | Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 02:24 pm: |
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Imagine a wheelie on that monster....sweet pic Midknyte...
I bet this doctor, woudl be singing a different tune, if he was driving some sort of roadster, and got plowed into by a large truck....
I bet he woudl be singing a different tune, if one of his children were killed in a auto vs pedestrian, OR motorcycle accident.
Anyone wanna test that theory?...j/king
My 2 cents
Chase |
Bigj
| | Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 02:59 pm: |
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There is a very extensive article entitled "Crash" in the Brit bike mag "Bike" February edition. I just picked it up last nite. Pretty much sums up what I was trying to get at.
(Message edited by bigj on February 03, 2006) |
Bikergoddess
| | Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 06:11 pm: |
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I'm not saying I don't ride defensively. I do. But I drive a small car and ride a bike. I refuse to get an SUV just so I'm on par with incompetent drivers. Make the driving test harder. Whatever. But it really chaps my tree-huggin' hide to be told that my only defense is to waste resources.
Laura |
Spreadem
| | Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 06:37 pm: |
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Some dude's selling these on Ebay...
I was working an accident one day where a Hyundai Sonata swerved into the left rear wheel of a Humvee on a highway. The Humvee cut into the center divider, rolled three times, and the passenger went through the window. Ended up paralyzed.
It doesn't matter how big, or how powerful your ride is, or anything else in life you do to protect yourself, something can ALWAYS happen to screw up your life. Just gotta go with the flow and do what makes you happy... |
Ryker77
| | Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 11:09 am: |
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The number one cuase of death in the United States.. Is DOCTORS! Don't belive it? Look at the numbers below. How many of these people are under a doctors care when they die as opposed to outside causes?
This is according to a report complied in the year 2002 of causality the previous year.
Major Cardiovasular Diseases 936,923 39.0%
Malignant Neoplasms 553,091 23.0%
Chronic Lower Resperitory Dis. 122,009 5.1%
Sorry -- But NO doctor can force a fat lazy person to not supersize that meal, eat that desert, or become active. All a doctor can do is push drugs.
Major Cardiovasular Diseases--- fat, lazy,poor diet, no exercise, no fiber, no activity, and poor oral hygine
Malignant Neoplasms --- aka cancer. not as easy to fix/prevent. But a proper diet will reduce the chances. No drug pushing doctor can help. Docs can only cut it out or zap it (RT).
Perhaps if ole shrub would spend just 1/10th of the cost he is spending on Iraq on those two AMERICAN problems then that would sure help. |
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