| Author | Message | ||
     Glitch |
It's illegal to annoy A new federal law states that when you annoy someone on the Internet, you must disclose your identity. Here's the relevant language. "Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to originate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet... without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person...who receives the communications...shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both." Link to article | ||
| Halbard |
So.... who's gonna determine if I'm annoying, abusing, threatening or harassing anyone? Some government agent? Oh, yeah, thats trustworthy... | ||
| Aldaytona |
Come on now, you can trust the government, just ask an Indian. | ||
| Anonymous |
You are all poopieheads. You are Natexlh1000. (Message edited by glitch on January 19, 2006) | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
sorry couldn't resist  | ||
| Kevyn |
linux... | ||
| Ryker77 |
 So.... who's gonna determine if I'm annoying, abusing, threatening or harassing anyone? Some government agent? Oh, yeah, thats trustworthy... that would be NSA,FBI,CIA,IRS,DOJ, state or local LEA. the same people that have been tapping phone lines and keeping people in prison without any charges. I can't believe the law is real. But then again - we are "at a war with terrorism--9-11--blah blah trade towers blah blah al-quida blah blah WMD's" | ||
| Oldog |
Glitch: did you think all that was done in washington was harrumph, harrumph, harrumph? why shoot theres proof that your legislators are hard at work doing something,in addition to taking bribes and molesting minors. Even if it is sooo completely stupid as to be beyond most normaly intelegent folks ability to comprehend, I have to wonder what the dumbdumbs that signed it were on? thanks for the heads up Glitch, I wonder what the radio station that we wrote the letters to on the dangerous dj thread will do to all of us scooter trash that wrote all of those letters I realy annoyed them I complained to the FCC ! I guess Im gonna make licence plates. too funny a-natemous ... | ||
| Iamike |
Yeah Ryker, I'm sure you'll be one of the first to blame the current administration for not doing enough the next time we're attacked. | ||
| Sgthigg |
"at a war with terrorism--9-11--blah blah trade towers blah blah al-quida blah blah WMD's" AS IF WE ARE NOT? Were nocking off these terrorist every f@$#ing day like clockwork. And its a damn a good thing.  However its a fine line between privacy and protecting american freedoms. I feel the only thing we can do is vote, and hope that our lawmakers dont make it too hard for our intel agencys to track a KNOW DEFINETE terrorist/ or link to one. And also that they dont give to broad of authority to these agencies to get what ever the hell info they please on you for any reason they feel like. I have a feeling though that this situation america is in today. We are going to see our right to privacy erode away definetly a little. It already has. Semper Fi!! | ||
| Cataract2 |
Benjamin Franklin “Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”  | ||
| Ryker77 |
I am just amazed at how easy people are scared with this "terrorism" stuff. So scared that they are willing to give up nearly all of there rights as an American. I've got a new flash.. You'll more than likely die from cancer, obestiy, drunk driver, or a bike wreck than any terrorism attack. 9-11 made up less than 0.8% of American death in 2001. From 2000-2005 terrorism attacks in American made up less than 0.01% of all deaths. So if you'd like to give up your rights -- just to increase your safety by less than 1%. Go ahead. I like numbers - numbers are cold hard facts. They are not a liberal or a republican. Just digits. The math tells me than 350 BILLION and climbing is not a good value. $350,000,000,000+ could have been used to secure the border and choke out the illegal drug flow. Which cuases more harm, heartache, deaths etc etc than 9-11. I am sure most people have at least one close friend or family member that is an addict. The county next to mine has so many meth labs that they (cops) can't even bust them. No room in the jails. | ||
| Oldog |
Ryker: as allways you have some interesting points. the "numbers" tell it just like you say  BUT for some reason you dont seem to grasp most of us are not scared, do not mistake warie for afraid. Would you tolerate having your community, suddenly undergo a terrorist attack, alla baghdad? Where do you want to fight the extremeists that think that you can indescriminately maim and kill here or there? On the meth labs call your local fbi office or the dea if rosco and cleatus can't handle it. http://www.fbi.gov/ there is an election comming vote bush out as you seem to dislike the commander in scapegoat.  oh no I have just sent an annoying electronic response wonder how i look in bright orange? in keeping with the latest feudal ordenance my name is jbryant and my email is getlost.gov (Message edited by oldog on January 20, 2006) | ||
| Sgthigg |
Hey the 1% you came up with is correct. Another News flash. At Pearl Harbor How many americans died? Less than 1%. No biggie. I guess we shouldnt have gone into WWII either were must of been fear mongers then too. Its called protecting the innocent how few it might be. So basically If it doesnt come down to you and your percentile group statisticaly beeing affected its SEMPER I RIGHT? No! we shouldnt give up our liberties or freedoms!!! However we also got to enable people to do theyre jobs to protect us too. Its a fine line and we got to be EXTREMELY careful with what we enable our gov to do and not allow to do. (Message edited by sgthigg on January 20, 2006) | ||
| Buellbozo |
"IT CAN'T HAPPEN HERE" Frank Zappa-1966   | ||
| Ryker77 |
Pearl Harbor.. umm was a military target. and the attacker was another miltary unit part of a real government. My grandpa and his 4 brothers fought in WWII. I am named after the one that didn't come home. What JAPAN did was wrong and they got what was deserved. Terrorist is an idea. It's hard to win a war on ideas. That so called terrorist on monday might blow up a bomb. But on the other 6 days a week he is a baker. The only option is to kill them all. So instead of builing Iraq up at the cost of 350,000,000+ we should just send over a few bombs to all muslim countries. I don't really mind the war. But I don't like having to rebuild THERE country only so that in 10-20 years we blow it up again. Just not cost effective. If WE are talking care of them --- then there oil should be our oil. We shouldn'tbe forced to pay 350,000,000 out of our pockets. Olddog, I can't vote for Bush. Becuase he is not allowed to run for office again. Unless he changed the laws to allow him to become King and rule for ever. After all we are at war and should not change horses in the middle of the race... One could argue that cancer attacks the inocent. Or drunk drivers kill the inocent. Right? So why isn't $350,000,000 being spent on the "war on drunk driving" ? | ||
| Johnny7051 |
Ryker, You sound like you have done some homework and a pretty smart guy. Let me give you some insight from Iraq. Some of us are here working with the Iraqis to help them rebuild there own country. We are helping train their military so they can defend themselves. There is constant recruiting for police officers with better results than were expected. Of course there are people that don't want us here, to include some of the American public. We helped rebuild Japan after WWII and they are very well off today. What did we recieve from helping Japan? Almost nothing other than pieces of land for more strategic locations for our military bases. I know that I am rambling now, but selfless acts like the rebuilding of Iraq are what make our country great. There are people out there that say people in the military get paid too much. If thats true, then why are some of my friends eligible for government assistance? Wow, I forgot what I was talking about, what was this post about? Oh yeah my point is money is not the most important thing in the world.. Semper Fi Sgthigg | ||
| Ryker77 |
say that when your say 65 and your social security is no longer. Say that when the American government cuts funding for American schools, police, and even military. Say that when you come home and need some VA medical care. I waited 6 months to get a letter - so I could call and get an appt. I call and have to leave a voice mail. They then call back and I get an appt 30 days later in December. December comes around and they change my appt to Jan. That day rolls around - the VA calls and says they have to reschedule. So after 9 months I am still not able to see a doc. And I am priorty 1. Money --- American tax payer money should be spent on Americans. BTW you'll never ever hear me say that any Marine is paid too much. I might say that about the air force. We are spending money that we don't have.. and to make it worse we are spending it on people who don't like us. --- Back on topic. The current law is bogus. But some see it as OK. I call those people sheep. | ||
| Skyguy |
Excellent! People with opinions are what makes this country great! My 25 cents (damm inflation) on the war? First and foremost: The muslums have been fighting each other and anyone that comes close since the dawn of time. There is NOTHING we can do for them that will last. This is sad but a reality. Second: Sadly there are a large number of Iraqis' that do not want to live like that. They do not deserve to get nuked, bombed and shot. Third: We are spending tremendous amounts of money and lives trying to bring democracy to a bunch of anarchists. So rather than just bitch about it I have been quietly working on solutions. Solution #1. Overfly with entire country with b52's and spray the entire population with a sterilizing agent. We can then pull out and wait 20 years for their population to thin out. Solution #2. Rather than doing tons of intelligence on who the insurgents are we should spend that energy trying to find the famlies that have been afraid to leave their homes for the last year. We could then run operation "Iraqi Freedom". This would involve quickly gathering up all the familys found quickly transporting them out of country and then we could feel free to slaughter, nuke, and torture everyone left. Just my 30 cents (damm inflation) | ||
| Oldog |
Ryker: wanna get cheesed off about something heres one to get your saturday started the frequent and blatent abuse of emminent domain where citizens property is taken from them and given to developers so they may profit, the war and wire tapping are little things compared to this... You don't own your property even if you pay for it! NOT CONSTITUTIONAL IS IT? The other interesting smippit, Iraqui police and military are being threatened and murdered WHY because we are there?? or because the brigands want control? if they get it then what? I have to admire the courage of the post sadam Iraqui people in one light, the vermin hiding there murder and commit atrocity after atrocity, and these folks get up and fight again and again WHAT BALLS THEY HAVE! you are of course correct that "bush" will not be re-elected, I hope that you understood what I was saying, Hillary is going to run vote for her or who ever best echos your thinking, you will then be using your ability to effect a change. In truth War is the Last resort in any attempt reconcile the political, social, religious, or cultural differences of groups of people to each other. It's the only means to take the land or resources of a people against their will, Wes I am in part opposed to the fed managing any social program if it can be done another way, your adventure with the VA is a prime example of why, if you could throw the GNP at it, it wont fix the problem there, what would make things better? how about reduce the tax burden, sevierly punish corruption and graft, drunk driving, get caught loose your licence for a time 1st time, life second time, no ifs and or / buts Cancer worth wile spend defense worth wile spend seniors care; worth while spend drugs; carpet bomb the fields where the plants are being grown, penalty for smuggling, death? aids quit handing out meds tattoo infected individuals or perhaps a "lepper colony" Katrina victims too expensive to hard? YOYO? truth is if its all about the dollars then 1 or 2 hydrogen weapons should take care of it. this should make you uncomfortable it begins to sound like ..... the taliban... We have an obligation as a wealthy and blessed nation to help others when our house is in order. Sky: some days i wonder about things like that and give in to that line of thought, I oppose Genocide though. another annoying post from j bryant jbryant@getlost.gov the law illistrates the simplistic thinking of some of our law makers, its pretty Baaaaaaaaaaad (Message edited by oldog on January 21, 2006) (Message edited by oldog on January 21, 2006) | ||
| Skyguy |
OLDDOG I also oppose genocide. I don't want to get rid of most Muslms or Iraqis. I am however very frustrated because of our country being involved in yet another uwinnable war. You are also correct the Brigands are the real problem. I honestly don't see a solution to the mess that our lovely president got us involved in. I hate that man and his cronies so much that I would take up arms and fight if I could only find others that would risk life, limb, house and shiny red car..... Weird how hundreds of thousands of Africans have died and we as a nation do nothing about that. We withdrew from Somalia but we sit in Iraq. | ||
| Oldog |
Sky: heres where Rykers objections make some sense. why did we leave somalia?, every one hated us there, and did not want us in the country? they seem to be happy reverting to a "tribal" culture. In Iraq that is not the case, we have a good relationship with the kurdish in the north and some shia in the south & west as I understand it. Ask some soldiers comming home from there about "Ali Baba" Yes the iraqis have OIL so the value of the resourse weighs in, the country is in a sensitive region, and leaving an extremeist toe hold is a bad idea IMO GW Sees the same thing I do. The terrorists must, have safe harbor and resources to conduct "business". Sadam was helping to support payouts by the PLO for marters, a major member of alkida was given treatment in Baghdad. Sadam was commiting atrocities, and was in defiance of UN sanctions time and time again. If sadam had realy possesed WMD he would have used them, did GW know the truth who knows? In that Gen Powell got up in front of the UN and made a case for this I have to believe that its not the case. IMO Powell is a stand up person who got where he was by intelegence and being trust worthy Folks that find GS's "manner" abrasive need to look at some of our former presidents that are held in so high reguard, you may be shocked that manner is common. Ike was the only ringer there IF the Iraquis set up a stable government, and conditions for their people improve We have won, If in time they become Allies We have won big! GW told us that this task would not be easy, doing the hard thning is seldom popular On your comment I honestly don't see a solution to the mess that our lovely president got us involved in. I hate that man and his cronies so much that I would take up arms and fight if I could only find others that would risk life, limb, house and shiny red car..... SKY! In any other setting that comment would have brought about your detention or worse! In Iraq under Sadam you and I both KNOW that would have been fatal, I know several Cubans who fled Castro's Cuba for remarks less pointed than that. The wars in africa are tragic no doubt. I believe that if Iraq can form a stable government that we dont have to prop up that is fair and just to it's citizens we have done some thing more important than just win we have made the world a better place. Having them as an aly will be a good thing especialy in light of Irans actions that area is going to get messy soon ..... | ||
| Ryker77 |
I'd allow Bush to run for third term before I'd vote for Hillary.  ---- If you had the choice to upgrade the speed of your bike. you can buy some $3000 light weight rims and go about 1-3mph faster. Or spend 300 on a muffler and air filter and go 10-15mph faster. Wouldn't the cheapest option be better? I just hate that this war is costing so so much money. Our money. BTW oil is now 68.00 a barrel. So get ready for 3.00 a gallon. | ||
| Sgthigg |
One could argue that cancer attacks the inocent. Or drunk drivers kill the inocent. Right? So why isn't $350,000,000 being spent on the "war on drunk driving" ? Ans) Money/Tax revenue Were not at "war" it was never declared. American tax payer money should be spent on Americans. I TOTALLY AGREE. THE VA CLINICS SHOULD BE NUMBER ONE TO RECEIVE TAX MONIES!! This is a subject that pisses me off to no end. Here in Biloxi is where the MIL retirement home is. I have been there several times . And it isnt a very pretty place. What a shame to our veterans. We got to take care of the ones who made our way of life today possible. My father gets the same run around every month to get an appointment. Hell I almost get the same to see a REAL doctor AND IM ACTIVE DUTY! Olddog: You hit the nail on the head! My 2 cents. If you aint registered to vote and/or dont vote. You have no grounds for any political discussion. Thats just my opinion. Voting at times is definetly choosing between the lesser of 2 evils. Have you all noticed she was being pretty low key for a yr or so now she is coming more out in the lime light. Watch what im telling you now. When she starts to come out more and more. She wil be toward the center line of liberalist. "conservative liberalism", lol Thats where bush won it last race. now she will definetly play ball in that part of court to get that vote here part didnt get last eleciton and lost. (Message edited by sgthigg on January 21, 2006) | ||
| Skyguy |
OldDog, You are right about the benefits of a stable Iraq. Personally I see don't see that happening ever. Good example is that the new President got caught with a bunch of secret "detainees" some of them were tortured. Regardless of which regime takes control they all have a similar mentality when it comes to oppisition of any sort. As a whole their leaders are a brutal people. Saddam was an ••••••• that deserves to die for his crimes. The supporting bathist party members should also be shot. We did a good thing getting rid of him. As for training Iraqi's to be good police and soldiers? That will come back and bite us one day. IMO. As for my comment about GW? I consider myself lucky to live in a country where I can say that and live. I personally feel that no one in a position to advocate going to war should be able to profit from that decision in any way. Bush, Chenny and his other cronies are making a ton of cash because of this conflict. Whats worse is that I knew we would go to war with Bush at the helm. If his motives regarding Iraq were what claimed (protecting the innocent) then we would/should be in Africa. Face it, the atrocities being commited there are easily as bad as anything Saddam did. I would have voted for Collin Powell had he run. I think he is likely a good man and would have made a strong leader. Iran knows we are in no position to go to war with them so they are going to push us real hard. God help us if we ever go to war with the Iranians they are twice as fierce and solid soldiers with some very rugged terrain to fight from. They would make rooting out the Taliban seems like childs play. A buddy is ex special forces and a few years back they had a wargame with the Iranians and got whomped! Actually I would vote for you given the chance! In the posts I have read from you so far you have been able to hold a non-emotive reasonable arguement, speak clearly and spell well. All qualities our current President seems lacking! | ||
| Oldog |
WES: YOU GOT THAT RIGHT BRO! | ||
| Oldog |
Thank you Sky: I want to live to see Osama and A-zaqari shot and burried with pigs. I want to see the malcontents of the alkida dead or in chains. along with the other brigands, sadam should be placed in a cage tried where his access to proceedings is controled and limited, it should be outside of Iraq, for security, but in every way just and fair the world is watching I'ts wrong but what should have happened was that Sadam should have been shot resisting capture untill the people in Iraq have had a few decades of peace and some prospairity the rulers will likely have to operate in a heavy handed manner. The new gov is at least a step in the right dorection. Oldog for prez? LOL My platform: 2 wrongs don't make a right, get caught with your hands in the cookie jar and wham your are making little rocks from big ones no exceptions term limits and accountability for lawmakers and staff. campain reform, max contribution limit any and all moneys / are reported with the id of individual gifts and services are reported at market value, offshore gifts illeagal, it has to be so simple that a first grade student can understand it. break the rule get caught GO HOME, get ready to make rocks.... the best military in the world bar none and the best equipment to boot, and enough of it to win any war any time, also have the ability to use them as needed to assist in disasters screw with us and the response is swift and harsh "like swatting flies with a ball bat" our citizens are all family their care comes first. especialy VETS and the old Provide a climate for jobs to stay in country favored status if you want gov contracts. Out source off shore get ready to open the wallet tax penalties soo stiff as to make the MBA scientists think twice about replaceing the existing work force with, Hodgi and friends who are being EXPLOITED. Want to open an off shore division to sell you goods or service elsewhere? cool no problem. Global co's investing here cool if its a win win, if you are toting off money to subsidize opressing your citizens no good. I do not want the job. The position of leader of this nation has gone from one of respect and honor to being a scapegoat for all discontent and disagreement, best presidents IMO Ford: Making the best of a BAD situation, acting apropriatly when our interests were threatened. pardonoing Nixon even though he did deserve jail Regan trying to fix things for the general populace. Standing up to those who would destroy us and calling them out politely but frmly. also for being a good citizen. Bush trying to continue this I have a deep sense of admiration for Bush1 he was the epitome walk softly and carry a big stick. not perfect just real in my preception. Carter, no so much as pres, but for using his status as an X president to do the "right thing" and even though I did not agree with a lot of what he did. In his later years his efforts on behalf of the people have been astounding. Caught him on the tube helping to build a house for habitat, not the talking head in the camera but swinging the hammer hands on. He's a true christian Good Ol boy that any one from GA can be proud of. Bush2 When the daughters got in trouble, drink and drive, not denying it but indicating that it did happen and saying clearly that it was a family matter and that it would be dealt with in private. When His past partying and other activities came to light going before the nation and explaining. When the towers fell the calm measured response of a good leader, If you saw the tape of him being told it was awesome, he was on camera in a fla public school with a group of small children If you have seen it you understand. He told us that the "war" would take a long time and not be easy. He has been been critizied for not being "hands on" he in many ways exibits the hallmarks of being an effenctive manager, the one down fall of that is you can be misled. sorry Glitch looks like this has turned into a political thread in case you found my post annoying  heres my name and address j bryant @jbryantgetlost.gov [not] | ||
| Skyguy |
OldDog if we ever cross paths the beer is on me. I can not tell you how refreshing it is to run into someone that has a clear understanding of a good arguement. Not one time did you say I was a •••••••• for not agreeing with you. In these times that is a great thing  As for Bush one? I liked Clinton and thought it a shame the best anyone could do was slam him for where he put his wee weee and not wanting to tell the nation about his private business. Bush one had the good sense to know when it was over. He defended a nation at seige. Bush 2 has involved us in Nation changing and in the Middle East this is a daunting if not (IMHO) an impossible task. I wish I had any answers but in reality we are in this for the long haul now (Iran next). I can't tell you how sick it makes me to read about the dead and dying in Iraq every day. I wish humans would grow the "F" up. After many years of following politics I have started to wonder if Democracy is the best plan. I am starting to think we need a benevolent dictator. Someone who can make decisions without the interference of "special intrests". Just once it would be nice to see a President with good intentions for us as a nation be able to make changes without the involvement of congress. Imagine welfare turning into "We have a job for you". Imagine guys like the BTK killer being put down like the dogs they are. I would have voted for Perot (or JFK were I a bit older) had it not been for the fact he would have acomplished nothing at all due to being shut down in the Congress/Senate. Anyhow Support our troops? you bet! Support our current President? Not me! Without differing opinions this would be a very dull world! | ||
| Oldog |
Thanks Tim; Hang here long you will run up on an number of good folks that can have an intelegent discussion with and learn from too. If you find your self on the "Righthand coast" in Wilmington NC look me up I would be honored to have Iced Tea and BAR-B-Q (we have some of the best) with you any time. In my book name calling serves no purpose, and even though we have differing opinions, it still does not give me the right to disrespect you, I set some simple guide lines for my self starting with 2 wrongs do not make one right, on ocasion I miss as we all do. Where Trailer park Willie put his willie is not my issue,( hillary is way better looking than monica ever was ) its this 1. he was married what he did was wrong. 3. he lied about it to his wife hurting her and his daughter. 3. he lied about it, to us, then to a grand jury (we would go to jail for that) 4. If you can't be trusted with small things how can you be given important ones? I am not so naieve as to think GW is with out issues but general conduct aside from the "aloofness" is good, he treats his family well, he shows respect to his father & mother. He has made efforts to console the parents of young folks that have died in the service of this nation pretty stand up. IMO He is the Prez I could see having Iced tea on the porch in the evening and discussing comunity issues with As an aside I saw it again Hillary was on the tube, the topic was Iran, she was saber wrattling! scarry! Then I almost bolted dinner the fox news network was describing the upcoming stories,When they start talking about New Orleans mayor Ray Nalgin(sp) and the "Chocklate City comment" the pic on screen is none other than Bin Ladin LOL! (Message edited by oldog on January 21, 2006) | ||
| Skyguy |
Olddog, I will find myself riding to the Carolinas one day if for no reason other than riding the Dragon a few times. Yumm BBQ! |
