| Author | Message | ||
     Seth |
http://media.putfile.com/M60E41  | ||
| Blackbelt |
I GOT WOOD!!! Don't let my bud Jimmy see that.. that dudes shoulder has to have a bit of a red mark.. along w/ his whole body shakin.. lol BOYAAA!! | ||
| Voltage_vector |
Seth, I saw this site a week ago and boy does that M-60 Rock or what!!! The crap we used to use in the army, you were lucky to get 18 inches to two feet of belt through it before you had a misfire, and had to jack in another to keep it going...However the mini guns we had were another thing all together! A Mini, at night, with the helmet sight system in a Cobra...better than sex! Hey your not far, we should get together for a ride...when it stops SNOWING! | ||
| Chasespeed |
It doenst take much to fire that weapon, from the prone position like that... The new 240G, is a much better weapon, no different visually, BUT, no misfires, and much lighter....(which may be the weapon in the vid)... Cool find Chase | ||
| Voltage_vector |
Chasespeed, Is the 240G still .308, or .223? | ||
| Ryker77 |
240g is still .308 the 249 SAW is 5.56mm or .223 it shoots much faster but not as much noise | ||
| 2000m2 |
Just got this at work...prety awesome Security & Terrorism New super-gun to be tested in Feb By PAMELA HESS UPI Pentagon Correspondent WASHINGTON, Jan. 20 (UPI) -- Next month a new high-explosive munition will be fired in Singapore and then tested again by the U.S. Army, heralding what may be a sea change in weaponry: a gun that can fire 240,000 rounds per minute. That's compared to 60 rounds per minute in a standard military machine gun. Metal Storm Inc., a munitions company headquartered in Virginia but with its roots in Australia, has been developing a gun that can shoot at blistering speeds, albeit in short bursts as each barrel is reloaded. A Metal Storm gun of any size -- from a 9 mm hand-gun up to a machine gun size or a grenade launcher -- has no moving parts other than the bullets or munition inside the barrel. Rather than chambering a single slug for each shot - very quickly in the case of machine guns -- the bullets come pre-stacked inside the barrel and can be shot all at once, or one at a time, as the shooter decides through the electronic controls. Because there are no moving parts, the weapon is less likely to jam, and will presumably need less maintenance. Lashing many barrels together increases the number of rounds per second. Once fired, however, each spent barrel has to be reloaded. Starting in 2006 the company will demonstrate its prototypes with applicability that is especially likely to interest the U.S. military. The weapon system can be mounted on an unmanned ground combat vehicle, an unmanned aerial vehicle, and might be used as a defense against rocket-propelled grenades and mortars. Metal Storm's speed allows it to lay down a blinding wall of slugs that can intercept and pulverize incoming enemy fire, according to company CEO David Smith. As long as the grenade or mortar is fired from outside a range of about 50 meters or 162.5 feet and a Doppler radar is in use, a Metal Storm system could be an effective defense, he told UPI. Closer than that and there is just not time to react. "But if you are from 50 meters and beyond, if everything can work fast enough -- the radar -- there is enough time mathematically" to shoot down incoming fire, Smith said. At least 153 U.S. troops have been killed in Iraq by enemy rockets and mortars since the start of the war. Nearly 2,000 have been wounded. The grenade launcher barrel can also carry less-than-lethal munitions, like small bean bags, sponge grenades or smoke. On Jan. 16, the Army awarded Metal Storm a $975,000 contract to further develop its non-lethal rounds. "Our so-called competition is (the) Mk19 - grenade machine gun," Smith said. "It's enormously heavy. It takes six people to carry it into a battlefield scene. It's not mobile. "But the military has had this transition out of big system warfighting into much lighter, higher firepower that can be carried into battle by individuals or light vehicles. Our guns have no moving parts -- so they have the same amount of fire power at significantly reduced weight ratio." Metal Storm technology has been under development for about a decade, but a series of small-business innovative research contracts awarded recently by the Department of Energy and the Army mean prototypes are now being produced and demonstrated. "We are to the point we can start providing prototypes. The Army is very, very parochial in how they buy weapon systems," Smith said. "But now we can put it into an actual environment." The company is also studying whether it can mount a Metal Storm weapon on a small helicopter, particularly looking at the recoil effect from the gun. Smith said such a system - deployable down to the squad level -- could be useful in a place like Iraq, where it's a common tactic for insurgents to launch a mortar and then run. By the time soldiers on foot or in a vehicle get to the launch site, the shooters are long gone. But a UAV quickly launched can see where the shooters run to, and if a gun is on board, can shoot at them. The Australian military is testing a Metal Storm gun of its own, the Advanced Individual Combat Weapon (AICW). The AICW combines both an assault rifle and a 40 mm grenade launcher in a single unit with a common trigger, allowing the shooter to choose which munition he wants to fire without having to refit his weapon. It also allows three grenades to be fired at once, whereas one is the only option in the current generation of weapons. Metal Storm Inc. will demonstrate a high-explosive munition with a 10-meter (32.5 feet) or burst radius in Singapore on Feb. 6, Smith said, and for the Army's Picatinny Arsenal and Armament Research, Development and Engineering Center later that month | ||
| Fullpower |
after the first obvious line of idiocy, i find the balance of the article to be rendered not credible. here is a quote: "That's compared to 60 rounds per minute in a standard military machine gun." so how can one trust what she says after referencing a 60 round per minute "standard military machine gun"? | ||
| Voltage_vector |
Fullpower...got to be a typo...or some mis-construde rate of fire...Hell a M-16-A1 has a 900 rpm rate I think I remember, but you can't shoot it that fast, you'd have to have a pretty big mag! Ya got to admit though, it is pretty cool...And a Thompson was around 550 I thought also but could be off a bit... | ||
| Bomber |
rocket powered rounds, perhaps? sounds nice, but I keep coming back to the "reload the barrel" thing -- cept for John Wayne, everyone HAS to reload -- cool concept -- with some more work, perhaps? | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
I remember the "metalstorm" thing from a while back. They have electrically triggered rounds loaded several on top of each other in replacable barrels. It seemed like a silly idea then and it seems like a stupid idea now. You were supposed to fire these sick barrages of bullets from a honeycomb-looking assembly of barrels. | ||
| Chasespeed |
Well, the fastest weapon I have fired, would be the Mk44 a 7.62(.308). Battery operated, 4000rpm(IIRC), it may be 3500 though, basically, a mini-gun. And as far as Military weapons, being only 60rpm..LMAO, teh slowest automatic weapon I have fired is the 25mm, and it only fires at 175 rpm. Also battery operated. Even teh Mk19(40mm) full auto grenade launcher is faster than that. BTW, Guess Ryker got to that before I did. There are other versions of the 240 though, H, and L I think. I am not too sure, as we rather the heavier slugs, of the slightly faster rate of fire.. How about this, anyone who thinks the 240(M60) is a bear, ever shot a FULL AUTO M14...now THAT'S a climber... Chase | ||
| Ryker77 |
try shooting one of those short Marlin 45-70 with a 405 grain bullet. I'd only shoot that thing about 5 times. It hurt. I've been on a naval ship when they fire that huge gatlin gun. Talk about fire power. | ||
| Lowflyer |
I preferred the M240 to even the GAU-2B miniguns. My favorite by far was the fitty. Of course, my experience was shooting out the side and/or ass-end of a helo. The barrels on the 240 are stout, but easy to change anyway. I have seen many an M60 barrel turn to mush and several dropped out the window in the middle of a swap. | ||
| Aesquire |
The Metal Storm system is never going to be carried by troops. Too heavy for the firepower. The bad part is once you've fired it, the barrel pack goes back to the factory to be reloaded. Like Soviet era jets where the engines get sent back to the factory for any real work. ( easier than training good jet mechanics ) Vehicle mounted? Sure, imagine an Abrams Chassis with a mount on either side of the turret, load up with 40mm grenades, or BB's. You could clear a whole valley in seconds, with high angle 40mm fire. Then drop the packs & keep going. Reloads need a forklift or worse. The sheer firepower is seductive, the reality is not. The M2 is the finest MG. Ever. John Moses Browning was a genius. Hard to carry over hills though. | ||
| Chasespeed |
My personal fav, while we are on the topic of MGs, is the M4, all the joys of a the M16, without the long barrel to get in the way... Chase | ||
| Redhatbuell |
The worst thing about the Pig (M60) was the three hours we spent in the parts room for every hour on the range. VERY labor intensive to keep up and running. Still love the old hog though. Snuggle up nice and tight and you have a 23 pound vibrator. That clip has been around for a few years. One of the old redhats told us that they told the Air Force years ago that the best thing for the M60 would be to slow the cyclic rate down. 550 RPM just shakes the thing to pieces. We ran the numbers and at 850 rounds in 1:45 you get 480 RPM. Some one must have listened. | ||
| Eboos |
"rocket powered rounds, perhaps? " That was tried in the 50's I think. They completely lacked power, and at close range, the rounds could not reach a high enough speed to be lethal (or even painful for that matter). The 240C was a servo fired vehicle mounted machine gun, and if I am not mistaken, the 240D was an aircraft mounted gun with a butterfly trigger. Sorry, it was 12 years since I was in Aberdeen. I am not familiar with the models after G. What were their applications? (Message edited by eboos on January 24, 2006) (Message edited by eboos on January 24, 2006) | ||
| Bomber |
the pig is a nice peice, no doubt -- me, given my druthers, tho, the BAR is much missed -- specially if someone else is carrying ;-} | ||
| Retired_cop |
M60 was nice.....especially cut down so it was not crew served, but I do miss the Stoner in 50 cal | ||
| Spreadem |
Article says a MK19 takes "Six" people to employ in the battlefield...lmao It's a two man carry, one if you're careful and we do three man crew drills with it all the time...dismount, throw it on a tripod, load and fire...how they came up with six is beyond me... And it weighs less than 100 lbs..."enormously heavy" | ||
| Blake |
Ammo and support gear? | ||
| Ryker77 |
tripod for the mk19 is what 20-30lbs. And 100rds must weigh alot. But if I was in combat the mk19 would be worth the effort. Any enemy stupid enough to mess with a auto-matic grenade launcher... Just launch about 8 rounds and enjoy the show. the heck with laser guieded $$$$$$ bombs. Just send some bored Marines in with a few cases of ammo and a blank release form. What camel? I never saw a camel! What house? lol | ||
| Spreadem |
Summary of "Battle Drill Six" Three man MP team in a humvee...Driver, Team Leader and Gunner with MK-19 in the turret. TL exits the vehicle, takes the tripod, and runs to the location where the weapon is to be positioned and yells "Gun to be mounted here, move!" TL stays at that location and provides 360 degree security while the Dr and Gnr dismount. Gnr removes all locking pins from the turret and places the MK-19 on the top of the Humvee. Gnr climbs down the inside of the turret and exits the vehicle. Gnr and Dr reach up and each secure one end of the weapon and run as fast as possible to TL's location. Dr then runs back to the vehicle and secures ammo while the Gnr preps the weapon. When Dr returns, he takes over 360 and TL assists Gnr in loading. Gnr pops sights and yells "Gun Up!" This is a drill we do all the time and the required time limit to do everything listed above is two minutes with only a three man MP team, although the fastest I've seen is 54 seconds. | ||
| Halbard |
Not to mention.... the MK19 fires up to 365 rounds per minute... and those are F'ing 40mm GRENADES.... lobable rounds which travel over cover, and, with the right gunner, are capable of taking out entrenched troops, or light vehicles. Still my favorite... although I admit a soft spot for the ole' 60. PS: won a case of beer from a butter bar who said the MK19 couldn't be dismounted and put in firing order in under a minute... it can be done (easy) by a three man MP team. | ||
| Chasespeed |
Wonder if ya'lls turret mount, is anything like our pin mount for the boats? it is only held in with 2 pins..I can swap mounts by myself...I dont know about a drill like that... Chase | ||
| Spreadem |
Chase- Not sure what yours looks like... Close up of our turret mount with a 249  And a shot with the MK-19  In the 249 shot you can see it's pretty much held in by two pins, one securing the eagle claw and one securing the TNE. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
I bet Chuck Norris carries one in a shoulder holster & fires it single handed round corners.  | ||
| T9r |
If ya loved that video, check out this page 2003 has some great ones as well as this 2004: Armed Forces Journal http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/blackwater/?s=2004_videos |
