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Bomber
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 05:00 pm: | 
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ROFLMAO! that's great!
actually, our military successes in the 20th century reflect the great strenths shown by boths sides in the War Between the States
our skills as individual soldiers were amply shown by the Southern troops (not disrespect intended to northerners, btw)
the fact that we can out-manufacture and supply anyone anywhere was well illustrated by the North
'tween the two, we're pretty damn tough |
Wardan123
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 08:12 pm: |
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You know... a thread like this is why I like to come to this site.
People from all over asking questions, answering queries, offering facts and sharing opinions... letting those that read and/or participate form an shape their own personal opinions about the subject... and most of all no personal attacks (or perceived personal ttacks)/rebuttals/diatribes/vendettas/etc.
Thanks to all of you who shared today.
Thanks to the custodians of Badweb for their forum. |
Paint_shaker
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 09:12 pm: |
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I grew up in a Northern state (not too far north) and learned that it was the battle colors for the south and it was also associated with being a "rebel" or a redneck.
Never knew the flag actually could cause anger to someone until I moved to the Florida. |
U4euh
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 09:14 pm: |
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You know, Whodom spanked a thought into my head when he said
the NAACP has tried to boycott South Carolina
Wow, I did not know that! Considering 'Black Bike Week' follows the HOG rally in May! Many business's are forced to close down during that week for lack of respect to property. The interesting thing is that all the business's will take down all the rebel flag, rebel bike rider attitude flags the day before 'Black Bike Week' begins. It is all about the money in Myrtle beach, South Carolina. As`far as the 'Flag' issue: let those who want to fly it, fly it. If lack of knowledge leads others to believe something wrong, then it is their mistake. Most people who are not associated with the south in some way or another- would not understand. I'm sorry if I hijacked the thread and stepped on a few toes, or even offended any one here on the board. But if we can't fly the flag to show pride in those family members that fought for the 'unfair tax practices' that the U.S. government imposed on the southern states, then dangit give me a 'White Bike Week' right next to 'Black Bike Week'
I am getting down now |
M2nc
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 10:56 pm: |
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The flag is about Southern Pride and/or a flag against the status quo, Rebel in every sense. It is a shame the the racist won in changing the meaning of it. My wife has ancestors that fought for CSA. I had a chance to walk through the a family graveyard and on many of the tombstones there was C.S.A. engraved. It really brings the point home. These people died in the late 1800s and early 1900s and even thirty years after the war they were proud of it. It was The North Carolina Army that originally got the nickname, Tarheel, because they would hold their lines in battle even when they would loose more than half of their troops. Now the most famous Tarheel is Michael Jordan. I guess that puts the flag issue in the proper light.
For the record, the Southern States actions in seceding from the Union was legal according to the U.S. Constitution. The Civil war was about power, not slavery. The fight was about who had ultimate authority, the States or the Federal government. Lincoln used Slavery to give him the moral authority to attack the south which by the Constitution was right. In Maryland, Lincoln moved in Federal troops before the State government could secede and put in place Martial Law and dismissed the state congress. He did this because Washington would have been surrounded if Maryland would have been allowed to secede. This is why John Wilkes Booth assassinated Lincoln after the war. Booth felt that Lincoln was the traitor by taking over Maryland, his home state.
It's funny how History is twisted isn't it. The issue is still not finished. During the early Nineties State Governors formed a Council of Governors. They formed a Tenth Amendment Commission that started to question the Federal Government's authority in matters of Taxation, Federal Funds, and Federal Agencies. The Tenth Amendment states that the Federal Government only has the authority that the State Governments grant it. They shook Washington to the core and that is where you saw changes like lifting of the 55mph speed limit, EPA relaxations, I.R.S restructuring and so on. Now it's not the North and the South. The State of Ohio and California are major players in keeping the Federal Agencies in check. Ohio just kicked out EPA testing of cars. I'm sure a compromise will be met, but I bet the EPA and Federal Government will step lightly around the issue. If the state governors take there issue to the Supreme Court, they should win. The problem is that no one wants to totally dismantle the Federal Government, just remind it every once in a while that "By the People" is the real authority.
Okay U4euh, now the horse is dead. |
Chasespeed
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 11:08 pm: |
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Round-abouts...yeah, we have them in New England..we call them Rotaries though...
As far as the flag..I grew up in Mass, then, when I went into the Navy, the first place I was stationed, was South Texas(Corpus Christi)..And, I learned there, that the flag something different to everyone, BUT, most of the retards flying it(from teh beds of their trucks), had teh attitude, that we northerners associate witht eh flag(at least those I grew up with)... RACIST REDNECKS, NOW, that doesnt mean that was everyones view or point, BUT, that is what I gathered from conevrsations with those indiviuals...I will never understand some people..
Now, living in VA, I dont see it too much, but, when I do, it is usually associated with teh whoel American by birht, Southern by the Grace of God thing...AND they are arware that its a battle flag, and what it TRULY meant...
I dont know, I tend to steer away from teh whole topic...
And I hear ya on teh PC b/s, I just say what I want, and if you are offened, tough, I am exercising my right to "The Freedom of Speech".
You dont like it, dont read or listen, I mean no one any offense..thats just the way I am...
Chase |
Rex
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 12:30 am: |
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grew up in oklahoma....confederate flag was always a part of the south as a whole...for me not a racial issue...just pride of southern states. Good food, friendly people, good people. |
Oldog
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 12:42 am: |
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U4 & M2nc:
that was some great reading, i learned some thing |
Dragon_slayer
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 12:46 am: |
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M2nc, yea us Buckeyes tend to be round and under foot. To make matters worst, our true outer skin is thorny.  |
Bomber
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 10:03 am: |
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Yo, Paint wrote "Never knew the flag actually could cause anger to someone until I moved to the Florida."
shoulda been in the Chicago Suburb of Skokie when the American Nazi Part marched behind the swastika in the 60s -- even those idiots knew they were in over their heads when they confronted a group of 60/70 year old camp-surviving grannies . . . .
they folded their colors and went home
(note for anyone who's not had their coffee yet - -the above screed in no way is meant to suggest any link between the Nazis and any portion of the United States, past or present, OK?) |
Whodom
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 10:32 am: |
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Good story Bomber. Did you ever see the African-American funeral home in a suburb of Chicago that regularly flew a Confederate flag? I saw this on the news a few years back. Turns out the funeral home was on the site of a former Union POW camp, and that a good many Confederate POWs had died there during the war. The director of the funeral home (who was black) was aware of this and said he flew the flag to honor the men who had died there, he didn't care who they had fought for. I thought that was pretty dang cool. |
Bomber
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 10:37 am: |
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Who -- yessir, I did -- it's a shame that rational. thoughtful people are newsworthy, but that does seem to be the case, yes? |
Cruisin
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 02:46 pm: |
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Did somebody say American flag???
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Cruisin
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 02:49 pm: |
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And I'll always love the General Lee car...
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Vanvideo
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 12:21 am: |
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The roundabout chase scene was shot in New Orleans, obviously pre-Katrina. All of the downtown "Atlanta" chase scenes were shot in NO. It took the film crew 8 days to shoot that segment. Sean William Scott -aka "Bo Duke" - actually did a few of the driving stunts.
As far as the confederate flag, I see quite a few on cars and trucks here in Jacksonville.
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