| Author | Message | ||
     Aeholton |
Your full face helmet will cause oxygen deprivation. Check it out at http://www.gafullthrottle.com/archives/dec05/abate.htm Unbelievable!!! | ||
| Buellin_ri |
Who would have thought.... | ||
| Cataract2 |
My God, do these people actually believe their own bs? | ||
| Iamike |
As if the long ride in the cold might have had anything to do with his slow response? I remember reading about ten years ago in a biker magazine a study on the full-face helmet issue of oxygen depravation. I laughed at it then. | ||
| Patrickh |
Clear visors focus UV radiation directly into your eyes, which causes brain damage. I never wear a helmet, it's just to damn dangerous. | ||
| Spiderman |
Joining ABATE causes brain damage... | ||
| Metalstorm |
Umm... I could be wrong (it's been known to happen some times) but doesn't the helmet's chin vent let fresh air in? Some people will think up the craziest bs to gain leverage in their cause. | ||
| Tq_freak |
I think he forgot to take his helmet out of the plastic bag. | ||
| Bomber |
always thought ABATE was a bit like the NRA and other single-issue lobbying groups -- not a bad idea, at it's core, but sometimes carried a bit further than some might think is rational . . . | ||
| Daves |
OH NO! I am a member of both ABATE and the NRA ABATE because I like to ride without a helmet when I want to ride without a helmet. I have abeen an ABATE member for about 20 years. In Iowa at least they have taught thousands of new riders how to ride thru their MSF certified classes. They also go to drivers ed classes and do a program called "Share the road" which tries to teach the young students to look out for motorcycles, all motorcycles including you. ABATE is far from a single issue group, although fighting helmet laws is a main one. They also fought the seatbelt law. I belong to the NRA because I like to have,shoot and hunt with guns. They help protect my right to do so. The NRA is a little more single issue than ABATE but that's ok with me since the issue is a very important one to me. NRA member for about 15 years, as a matter of fact I just got my renewal notice in the mail. I might just pony up for the Life membership.   | ||
| Buelluk |
Occasionally open the visor, already ! | ||
| Bomber |
oops -- well, to be a bit more clear -- as an ex-member of both ABATE and the NRA, I feel that both are capable of furthering the interests of their membership -- at the core of both, there are values with which I agree -- wrt ABATE, helmet choice is one, better educated riders is another, doing away with the silly seatbelt laws is yet another -- NRA, the freedom to own a firearm is one I treasure and respect (though I don't shoot regularly anymore) -- some of the messages both organizations send to non-members (the people they are trying to persuade, I beleive, as neither group represents the majority of the citizenry) are counter-productive, I believe, and actually cause backlash against the causes they purport to further . . . imagine you're on the fence about gun control (as are most I know who are not shooters), and then, the night before the election, you see a clip of Moses waving a flintlock spewing about "cold dead fingers . . . " izzat gonna convince the fence sitter? imagine you are a non-rider -- and the night before the election, you see the above (admittely fictional) ABATE posting about o2 starvation in helmets, remember the ABATE patch holder going down your street at oh-dark-thirty on a big twin that makes 39hp due to the staggered drags that were mounted when it was new, rattling your wife's prized Hummel collection . . . ah well . . . all this very similar to my views on the Sierra Club and Greenpeace -- I support the concept of the better environment, but question some of the tactics used by these organizations no intent to offend (as I imagine Daves knows) -- just my 2% of a buck actually, the NRA can serve as a great example of other special interest groups, like, say, the AMA (you are a memeber, right?) as far as securing the the rights of it's membership -- they are truely an 800 pound ape in DC . . . | ||
| Daves |
Just wait til Ted Nugent is the prez of the NRA! I'm thinking it will be either him or Tom Selleck. Selleck would probably be the better choice to keep the peace with the fence sitters. Ted is a little extreme,probably why I like him. I do agree sometimes both orgs are a little over the top for the fence sitters. No more so than the anti gun people though. Look at PETA if you want some over the top wacko stuff. I am not an AMA member but should be. I'll fix that. | ||
| Bomber |
Daves -- right you are, Nugent is great fun, and the fact that he's mellowed with age not a whit is an inspiration! PETA is just as wacko, if not more, than folks at the other end of the spectrum -- the polarization of our politics is, I believe, due, in large part, to the wackos in the special interest groups -- I'll be a Life AMA member in another year, I think -- my wife signed me up when we were dating after beating me about the head neck and shoulders for not doing so on my own power ... I don't agree with everything they say/do, but they are, for my dough, the most rational proponant of motorcycle enthusiast right in the country (although SOMEONE has GOT to talk to em about their new Buck Rogers logo -- sheesh, you n me coulda done better after some good cool-aid!) | ||
| Gearhead998 |
That is probably the most exagerated piece of garbage I have read in a while. Does the public really think that if one of NASA's famous astronauts died in an accident due to lack of judgement that they wouldn't cover it up. Come on, oxygen deprivation. By that logic, me sitting here at my desk, with no flowing air, I can be subject to this. bull**** flag!!! I guess the public needs some kind of crap to believe. Think about it this way, at least the cagers have another excuse why it isn't their fault. I ride in sub freezing temps all of the time, and the only problem I have is that it is freakin COLD!!! Ride on. | ||
| Blublak |
Hmmm.. Now let's think about this..  I mean, I've ridden in just about every kind of weather there is.. Dressed in everything from tee shirt and jeans to full gear to so layered I looked like Nannook of the North.  And I can see this guys point.. IF you were to use an older full face (one with those really bad vents they used to have), sealed against the cold (caulking the shield and defective vents closed) AND wrapped a scarf around your neck tight enough to prevent air from traveling through it(think a really thick noose)..  then, as you ride try to hyper-ventilate so as to aid in the fogging/de-fogging of said sealed helmet.. it might work... Think about it.  Gearhead, your problem bud is that you keep blacking out every time you wear one of those pesky oxygen stealing lids.. And of course, that's why you never remember that it happened.  | ||
| 1badkity |
I would first like to explain that ABATE stands for “to lobby and educate the government and the general public to promote motorcycling in a safe and positive image." I have been a member of ABATE officially for 4 years; however, I have been involved indirectly for more than 20 years via my parents. I would like to expand on what Daves was explaining in that ABATE stands for more than just repealing the helmet law. We are working on stiffer penalities against drivers who injure motorcyclists, and rider education programs. All too often people are quick to complain when a new law is implemented that doesn’t concur with their beliefs, however, what did they do to oppose the change? I also agree with Bomber, in that the core concepts are good but there will always the radical people who have their own ideas about how and why things happen. I have been riding a motorcycle for over 15 years and wear protective gear and helmet every time I ride (crashing hurts). Please don’t base your opinion solely on this article written by Jim George State Director of Georgia ABATE, as he was expressing his personal opinion, which in my view seems to be unsubstantiated and contradicts the whole mission of ABATE. | ||
| Slaughter |
The vast majority of the single vehicle accidents involve alcohol. We have got to stop letting our biker friends ride while intoxicated. This is a touchy issue and one I will address more later. A related cause of single vehicle accidents resulting in fatalities is wearing full face helmets and gear. Note his use of "A related cause" - well... duuuuhhhh. Alcohol reduces the supply of oxygen to the brain so I suppose if I've reduced my supply of oxygen to my brain AND THEN put on a helmet, it is "a related cause" Geeezzz... they need to get a sober state director of Abate in Georgia! | ||
| Bomber |
Kity -- one of the problems with essentially volunteer organizations is the less-than-knowledgable folks that post their own opinions over the logo of the orgnization -- I tried to join ABATE long ago and far away, and was pretty much dissed cuz I was wearing a lid -- made me chuckle, at the time . . . .. | ||
| Gearhead998 |
So thats why. Thanks Dude  | ||
| 2hogs |
ABATE and the NRA? I don't always agree with the ways they try to get their message across, but I'm a firm believer in our right to choose to wear a helmet or not and our right to own firearms. Stiffer penalities? I must be a cynic as I don't have much faith in our judicial system when a cage driver is tried after injuring/killing a motorcyclist. Why? I see a jury composed of mostly non-riders and them being easy on the cage as most of them don't notice cyclists either. | ||
| Diablobrian |
penalties/sentencing are the judges domain. The jury can only recommend a sentence upon returning a guilty verdict. The Judge is under no obligation to abide by that recommendation. If I recall correctly. | ||
| Cataract2 |
I fully know and understand what ABATE does for motorcyclists in how they fight for our rights. I to am against the helmet laws. My problem with ABATE is how they tend to spew forth bs as part of the run against helmet laws. I find it ironic that here in Florida the person who spearheaded the movement to revoke the helmet law was killed in a bike wreck in which a helmet would have saved her. Irony? When/if ABATE changes their tune on the use of helmets, that will be the time I might consider joining them. I have 3 crashed helmets to show to people on how well they work. I'm still here only because I wear my gear. | ||
| Aesquire |
I support your ( adults ) right to be stupid & not wear a helmet. I may even have gone a few blocks without one myself. Durn busybidy govment rules. Helmets have vents? (ok Here I am joking, my new helmet has vents, they even mean I can close the shield when at speed, if it's not too cold, etc. ) My old Bell had no steenking vents, My Vetter had no steenking vents, and with a neck bib velcro'd on, it could get a bit stuffy in there. That meant that the visor was cracked open about 1/8 to 1/4 inch all the time, since otherwise..... total fog on visor. Spit was the low tech solution, baby shampoo the hight tech one, & neither worked. I don't quite buy the argument in the article. ( lack of blood in the alcohol system is by far the #1 killer, that's a fact ) Still.... I support Abate, & the NRA. | ||
| Panic |
I'll support the NRA when they learn that their current argument ("expensive + hand polished checkered wood stock + bolt action = hunter = good, cheap + plastic stock + auto = terrorist = bad") has no legal basis whatever. Killing furry things for fun 'n food does not appear in the 2nd Amendment. As long as their primary legislative focus is the (non-existant) "right" to hunt and shoot target, and goes along with intrusion into self-defense, they can do it alone. | ||
| Daves |
They talk plenty about self defense. | ||
| Bcordb3 |
That abate article doesn't appear to be very specific about the amounts of oxygen lost by wearing a full face helmet or by wearing a scarf around your face. It dosen't have any scientific date to prove his thesis. I am not sure if it is saying the helmets are the cause or the additional rappings are the cause. I will say that my Shoei has come a long way from my first Bell Star that I had in the early 60's. I would be very careful in publishing anything without hard data to prove my thesis. | ||
| Cataract2 |
Panic, it would seem you have something against hunting. Why would this be? |
