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Diablobrian
| | Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 05:51 pm: | 
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ummmm even the destroyer version of the vrod weighs 510lbs....dry http://www.rmh-d.com/models/VRXSE.php with no street running gear, muffler, or anything not needed to go fast.
That is a dry number, sans wheelie bar, nitrous bottles and other accessories.
H-D pulled out all the stops to make it as light as possible. they only came up with 105 of weight savings. Far short of 200. |
Oldog
| | Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 06:43 pm: |
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The ONLY way to look at putting RELIABLE HP to the ground is to go big (unless you're racing and dealing with class restrictions). "There's no substitute for cubic inches."
In the context of V2 bikes yess sir otherwise, no sir spin it up like an air tool
the F1 auto guys are getting humgous hp out of little 10cyl mills with }lotsa revs.
I wonder what the destroyer RWHP is? |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 08:02 pm: |
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165 claimed and I'm not sure if that is on nitrous or not. |
99buellx1
| | Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 11:49 pm: |
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No nitrous.
The bottle on the bike is air shift. |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 12:47 am: |
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ahhh cool, poor assumption on my part. Polished bottles on a drag bike usually mean nitrous.
I didn't connect it to the factory air shifter mentally. |
Oldog
| | Posted on Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 12:48 am: |
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what does the factory say about the expected engine life? |
Blake
| | Posted on Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 01:12 am: |
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"But here, if you say that there are engines that would be better suited for... racing than a XB motor, ppl act like it's personal."
Hmmm. Let's test that assertion.
I hereby declare that there are better engines for racing than the XB motor! Fact! Indisputable fact! And a fact that is echoed by none other than Erik Buell himself.
<sound of crickets chirping> |
Blake
| | Posted on Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 01:23 am: |
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Oops, didn't mean to ignore the other troll bait you've tossed my way...
"Blake,that 105 hp sure does get that 650lb bike down the 1/4 mile faster that the XB12."
Right, cause wheelbase and CG of course have nothing to do with drag strip performance. 
"Blake,what is most XB12's showing on a dyno,88 hp or so?"
I dunno. What does that have to do with your assertion that sport bikers would be waiting in line to puchase a 655LB porker of a sport bike with a whopping 105rwhp? I'd rather have a Duc 999 with 20 more RWHP and 200 LB less weight.
Heck, I'd rather have a Buell with less RWHP and 200LB less mass.
"If you put a Revo engine in a sport chassis,what do you think the results would be?"
Uninspiring to be kind.
"If you were building a motorcycle from scratch would you rather have the Revo engine or the XB engine?"
The XB engine.
"What engine would you say is more reliable?"
Dunno. They are both excellent reliable engines. |
M2nc
| | Posted on Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 01:29 am: |
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Cycleworld Magazine
V-Rod 138mph
XB12R 136mph
Pretty close in anyone's book.
If you want to drag race an XB12, stretch it and lower it, then see if the V-Rod can keep up. Once you proved that point you have a Buell that will not corner worth a S@#$.
Moral of the story?
XB good on curves (Arguable the best)
V-Rod good in 1/4 (Harley Davidson's HP King) |
Blake
| | Posted on Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 01:39 am: |
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Lonnie/Pup,
What is the highest performance Buell motorcycle you've ever ridden?
I've been fortunate enough to have been allowed to ride two 130+RWHP Buell motorcycles, each with an 88" street performance engine. I truly doubt that there is a motorcycle on the market today that comes close to approaching the savage demonically ferocious nature of those Buell motorcycles. Why? Get yourself a ride on one sometime; you won't ever have to wonder "why" ever again.
Sure, numbers are fun to debate. But the ride and the nature of an engine's power delivery can make all the difference.
If you want peak HP, head to Japan Inc and pick a literbike repli-racer of your choosing. If you want a sport bike that is out of this world different with a big bellering American V-Twin, well there simply is no alternative. |
Thepup
| | Posted on Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 10:54 am: |
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So a sportbike with a Revo hat has more hp and just as much torque,tuned for sport it would have more hp ,would be uninspiring sounds what a lot of ppl say about the XB.Blake,what would be cheaper to make a 1 and more reliable to make 130 hp,a XB engine or a Revo engine?Lets just say you already had each bike.I am not putting down the XB engine,I was just pointing out that the Revo is a great engine too.
(Message edited by thepup on January 08, 2006) |
Oldog
| | Posted on Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 01:27 pm: |
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Pup for the sake of argument v2 sport bike revo style engine more power etc etc etc...
KTM SUPER DUKE 100+ rwhp, +140mph top speed, dry weight under 400# price tag 16k....
WHICH is closer to that spec your XB or the Vrod?
because the truth is if you raced either against the SD they would likely get spanked...
Note the SD employes many of the Buell tech ideas, ( well the mufflers are under the seat )
If you purchase an SD try finding a dealer..
How much better would your XB preform with a power plant up grade? (if its of interest)
or better yet a 6 speed and taller gearing?
Gotta do something with that staggering torque.
I agree with you the Revo is a fine motor, best new idea from the "old guard" think tank in a while, but I disagree with the premise that slapping that motor or a similar motor into an xb chassis will make a huge improvement, or that the Vrod is a "better" bike (no you did not say that)
After having had an "extended test ride" on an XB9R I can say this, smooth power delivery, less vibes, easy to ride, good balance, super front brake, stiff tranny, excellent suspension, an Excellent street bike,
there will likely be little after market for the SuperDuke, and whats there will be expensive
Ride safe Pup, how fast have you gone? |
Rick_a
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 08:21 pm: |
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KTM's claim of 100hp falls short in actual testing (as any other manufacturer). They are actually in the low 90's. Most stockish V-Rod's I've seen are in the high 90's to the 105hp range and the torque is nowhere near a Buell twin...well...I guess it is if you're comparing it to an XB9.
To be honest if I were to build a 120+hp Buell I'd keep it stock displacement. In the high 90 hp trim mine is currently in it likes to spin the rear out of slow corners...a lot of fun but it can get old, especially if you're trying to get a good drive. Destroked with a big bore (like the RR) would be nice.
Once I'm ready for another top end rebuild I'm getting headwork done and she should be good for around 110-115hp. That ought to be plenty...as if it isn't already. |
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