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     Light_keeper |
The latest issue of American Iron has an article about the enforcement of current regs and enactment of new ones that according to the article will shut down the aftermarket industry for anything other than bling done to a bike. The article mentions a 10000.00 a day fine for non compliance. this is not only for manufactures but for individuals as well. Any modification such as tire size change, carb rejeting, exaust change, even theoretically changing from regular oil to synthetic could cause the enforcement to be effected or putting on a fairing or taking one off. Anything at all that changes the performance of the engine in anyway from certification. Anyone have any input on this?  | ||
| Essthreetee |
There have been a couple of topics about it... http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/4062/163101.html?1133988131 and.. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/4062/164947.html?1135435408 Unfortunately nobody seems to know FOR SURE what it all is going to mean...Guess we will start finding out after Sunday. | ||
| Tramp |
sounds like alarmist BS. the aftermarket indeustry won't be 'shut down', being that all nonDOT/EPA compliant parts typically come with a "not for highway use" sticker. The sky is far from falling. .......as you were..... | ||
| Rocker_atc |
What's up TRAMP? Long time no FU CK around with> How was your HOLYday or Holidays as it were><?? ROCKER  | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
As far as I'm concerned it's all gov't CYA. It's just another parallel turn in the slippery ski-slope (how was that ski analogy?) of the criminalization of everything. Criminals are easier to catch when everyone is a criminal. | ||
| Light_keeper |
OK just curvious thats all. | ||
| Rocker_atc |
If you have an AUTOMOBILE with after market crap on it and you get pulled over for speeding the cop does'nt know for sure what you have under the hood.He or SHE just gives you a ticket,tells you to cool it and lets you on your way. Here in Ma. the cops up in MANCHESTER by the SEA started harassing bikers for there pipes and helmets and writing out tickets. Local bikes groups got together and started a campaign against this one cop with a chip on his shoulder and he was proven to be no expert in the field of audible decibel counting as well as being shown that there's is no way from a distance to prove that he could tell weather or not a helmet was lagal.Never mind being able to tell if a bike had after market parts that were'nt supposed to used on the street. I depends on who you deal with in the real world @ the time of the incident> Do'nt worry,chances are you'll be just fine 99% of the time and may run into one dick in your riding time with a chip on his or her shoulder towards bikers>> ROCKER Thanks for letting me rant>> (Message edited by rocker_atc on December 30, 2005) | ||
| Cataract2 |
One thing I noticed about the Drummer and Special Ops pipes which I think will be nice. Neither has those "Not for HWY" stickers on them so technically you should be ok unless the cop does a DBL test on it. Mind you if you have to have sniffer tests done then your SOL. | ||
| Rex |
lots of things in the works...some legislation out there that would allow a person one custom bike in his lifetime, and if you had one made or made it your self, you could not sell it for 5 years....and the new exhaust emissions they are talking about by 2008, 2010 seem pretty strict. some of the locals that do small runs of bikes are worried that it will all go away, and just the big manufacturers will be the ones hanging around. I guess S and S is working pretty hard to get their motors right...... you have to wonder about carbs, mikuni? will they only be making chips or fuel injections when carbs are gone? makes you wonder. I think you will see mobile emission stations set up along the road, and they will be checking sound, intake , etc. just like they do now for drunk driver stops along the road. We are lucky now, but maybe our kids will never see the good days we have had...unless all of the hot rod guys, custom cars, motorcycle riders all get together and make something happen for the good.......REX | ||
| Ryker77 |
the normal person who is a hot rod, custom car, or bike rider, is a middle class American. The fact is our class of people for the most part are not registared to VOTE. Those few that are for the most part don't even VOTE. Even less take the time to VOTE informed. I know that cops in big city who are tired of the fart can cars and street racing use DOT safety laws to get them. Things like having headlights at a certain distance from the ground. Also EPA rules. | ||
| Slaughter |
Here in CA it's especially bad - as witness the ghetto-style street racing and our weekend bloodbaths up in the mountain roads. (ranting somewhat) - F*** Biker Boyz and films like that for making the nonsense so popular. F*** the weekend racers that can't keep it under control that keep getting helicoptered outta MY mountain roads every weekend We're bringing it on ourselves. The CA rules are re-written for 2006 and also include heavier penalties for street racing. If I understand it correctly the smog violations are now BOTH State and FEDERAL - with ticketing authority given to State/local agencies. The local Sheriff that patrols the Angeles Crest Highway has a personal Buell too and he cuts nobody slack on non-factory exhausts (Matty tried "bluffing" because he has the Buell factory slip-on can). If CA is the "trendsetter" state, let this serve as a warning to the rest of you. Hope the aftermarket folks can band together to get sticker-type approvals for smog and sound - or it WILL be a problem for the aftermarket folks (when was the last time any of us have seen a bike with stock pipes??) | ||
| Tramp |
Thankfully, Most California standards get the life laughed outta them somewhere between Nevada and Pennsyltucky. The differences in registration restrictions between NY & california are, thankfully for us New Yorkers, vast. Of course, California is still incredibly backward in many areas. That mumbo-jumbo about the tags on your vehicle, along with the registration and the insurance coverage transferring to whomever the car is sold to is bizarre, at best. That's why there are so many illegal, uninsured, unlicensed and unregistered drivers in california. All that Chacho need do, to have a licensed, registered and "insured" car in california, is respond to one of the innumerable ads in the major newspapers in the "cars for sale under $500-" section", and fork over $150- or $200- for an old Prelude, complete with legal plates and insurance. crazy. This makes getting around much easier for terrorists and other unsubs. Have one of these guys run into you and you're screwed. no insurance, no license, no papers. but, Oh! California's going to lead the fight against those pesky aftermarket exhausts.whew! California, in all it's "forward thinking" environmental auto legislation, brought our country the braniac concept of adding MTBE to our fule so as to reduce CO emissions. * * oops. * * The super-solvent qualities of MTBE ensure that it makes a beeline for the water table, and millions of Americans, thanks to california's forward thinking, are exposed to this carcinogen every day of their lives. Thanks, Cali!  * Of course, california has that static, near-stagnant water table which allows little filtration of anything, and that state's predisposition to looking the other way in regard to their illegal alien problem has added yet another water-table polluter of biblical proportions. Methamphetamine labs. I swear I'll drink the water in Kiev before I do that in California. The half-joking logic about the vacuous, always-smiling californian bleach boy persona used to be that it was a result of the blaring sunhsine helping to promote 'good' chemicals in one's brain. * * I have to assume that the present source for that state's ....er.... 'different drummer' mentality mentality derives from the mind-bending, carcinogenic super-solvents coursing through the blood-brain barriers of it's denizens.... virtual glue-sniffers by enviro-}legislative default. No offense meant to our resident Kalifornian buellers, mind you. california give sthe expression 'crank case' a whole new meaning. | ||
| Crusty |
(when was the last time any of us have seen a bike with stock pipes??) The last time I went out to my garage and looked at the four bikes in there. The next time some jerk with obnoxiously loud pipes rides past my house at 1:30 A.M., I'll smile, knowing that his days are numbered. I hope that Massachusetts is quick to follow California's lead. | ||
| Tramp |
that's a bold and very independent, standup stance to take on one of these boards, Crusty. You get the fast 5 from me regardless of my own thoughts on said subject. | ||
| Gomo |
The problem may not be that there is a law stating all this crap on the books and no one, including the gov't, really follows it; the problem starts after sometime when someone realizes it has been a law and start to use it to generate $$$$. At that point it is harder to fight something that has been in black and white for some time - no mater if it was enforced prior or not. Besides riding my one H-D wearing bright colors, full gear & full face helmet; I ride it with stock pipes (hey I got tohave one in the coral that has em). Have a HAPPY 2006 May your roads be safe ones!  | ||
| Essthreetee |
I personally LOVE my loud pipes...always have...always will. If I could make them LOUDER without spending a buttload of $$$ or losing power/performance I would (I know there are ways...note the $$$$), my personal preference. I understand that there is a need to try to fix the pollution that is put into the air (I live in one of the worst air quality regions in the nation)...but I also think that often someone (or some group) comes up with a plan, spins it to make it sound right, and all of a sudden we have a new law that is supposed to do THIS or THAT...then when it doesn't do what it was supposed to, another law must be made, then another, and another... I think that there are bigger fish to fry, but LOUD pipes are an easy target...so why not cash in.  | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
Gomo - generating $$$$$ is what I was rantng against, albeit rather cryptically. |
