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Tramp
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 03:51 pm: | 
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exactly. each person's experiences are valid, which makes neither statement "inaccurate".
In cases such as my own, whereby no formal statutes were violated, but for the code of both ebay and common ethics, one is, in fact, on one's own.
great to be back on the finest Buell Board in the known universe. Thanks for the welcome, Jon.
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Natexlh1000
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 04:30 pm: |
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So far I bought three things there with no problems.
I got a stock 1979 sporster exhaust from there!
(looks just like XLCR but in chrome) |
Jon
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 08:58 pm: |
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I admit, I have never tried any online bid service. I've heard both good and bad about e-bay.
Someday... |
Lowflyer
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 09:26 pm: |
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One is always on one's own when it comes to person to person transactions. People have been getting screwed long before eBay and they will continue long after. If you are afraid of getting screwed or inept at recovery from an attempted screwing, don't stop at avoiding eBay, avert any and all contact with your fellow man. |
Cochise
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 09:38 pm: |
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I had a feller who tried to sell me a pristine '67 Chevelle ss 396, for a ton less than should have. I and 15 others (that we know of) tried to buy that car. The only reason that I know this is the ACTUAL seller had the car on Auction probably a month after I was "scammed". He told me that 15 people asked him about that car the first day the car was on auction for real. I brought it to the attention of Ebay, which they "handled". I quotate that because Like the person that tried to scam me, there was another Chevelle that was tried to scam again, the same way. They wanted someone to send the email address, username, and state of origin, so that they could "allow me" to bid on their auction. Ebay allows them that avenue so that they are enabled to use those practices. Quite a few people would not be scammed if Ebay would stop that practice. The same person that tried to scam me, stalked me at an auction of mine asking the same questions I asked him and telling people on my auction that I was trying to get them. Bastids!! |
Gomo
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 10:03 pm: |
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Tramp -
I didn't know that you can ebay tainted DNA and that there would be someone willing to perferate their cerebral cells with such an item. Forget about the "buy it now" dude, what of the save me now guy?
Nice to see your Gemini writing skills are still active - HI |
Lowflyer
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 10:12 pm: |
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It's all about managing risk. I have seen those auctions you are talking about. I remember an '04 'Bolt that was Buy-It-Nowing for about $2700. It was mysteriously removed by eBay. |
Court
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 04:58 am: |
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Tramp:
I, 100%, beleive that the experience you had actually happened. Nothing I said inferred otherwise.
I do not believe, at least I wouldn't stand for, the "you are on your own".
Now in cases where it's simply a matter of opinion, yeah. . I'd concur. You're screwded.
In cases where the commercial transaction, described by the e-bay contract (i.e. I give you and you give me) falls apart.....well, there you have a crime.
Now, how big a deal you choose to make of it is a matter of personal opinion.
In my first case, the moment the local DA filed the notice with the parents of the young stud who was to sell me a VOX wa-h-wah pedal, I got calls from both parents (divorced) that evening.
The mother entered into an agreement and made payments to me to refeund my money.
Just in the last two weeks, I've had another "I don't like something you did, so I am not going to ship" deal. It was settled amicably, but I had already contacted the Waukesha County Small Claims Court and got the forms to file.
Contract fraud is a crime. Opinion (hey, this isn't in the condition I thought it was) is not.
And in a related story, the old (if you saw Billy Jack "....on what grounds, that my son is an idiot" read carefully rules still apply.
I recently bought a vintage (red label) Fender Stratocaster case and was in a hurry....looked fairly cheap, so I just clicked and bid.
The darn thing arrimes with a couple big cracks and a hole punched in the end. I was incensed and started typing immediately.
As I went to send the registered letter, I thought I'd bolster my case by attaching a copy of the auction. Well, quick trigger being what it is, I started to read the great big red letters....
quote:BE AWARE this case has couple big cracks and a hole punched in the end
I laughed my ••• off at my own stupidity.
I am now the pround owner of a fairly pricey and REALLY VINTAGE looking (looks like something Pete Townsend (even though he played a Gibson SG) attacked a hotel room with!) Fender case.
I'd agree, you are on your own in cases where the terms and contract of the auction are "technically" met. |
Tramp
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 08:11 am: |
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I guess the overriding problem, Court, is that there IS no way to contact a live person at ebay customer service.
I'm a purdy resourceful feller, and I have yet to make contact with a human being in any manner of customer service capacity there.
Oh, I've received (digitally-generated) email responses from their "team" reading "Hi. My name is Peter, and I'm here to help you with your problem"
ebay is HAL109 ("I'm sorry, Dave...I can't do that" |
Mikej
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 08:34 am: |
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http://pages.ebay.com/help/contact_us/_base/index.html
quote:"Start by choosing a category below. In a few simple steps, you will be able to send us your email. In certain cases you may be offered live help."
I like that last sentence:
"In certain cases you may be offered live help. "
Probably much better than dead help, probably. |
Court
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 11:20 am: |
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>>>>I guess the overriding problem, Court, is that there IS no way to contact a live person at ebay customer service.
Now...THAT is an accurate statement.
Personally, I compensate the same way I do in a casino. I rarely bet beyond what I am willing to loose. Note, the word "rarely".
In addition, my BS Antenna, gets hoisted an additional section when dealing on e-Bay. |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 11:42 am: |
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Ever since they ripped us off of about $100 in our calendar sales, I've stopped using ebay. I still use paypal though, and they are owned by ebay. 
The situation with the calendars was that for referred sales, like 99% of the calendar sales were, ebay promised to provide a referral credit amounting to 75% of the normal transaction fee. Well their system apparently failed to accurately note that all our calendar sales were indeed referred from BadWeB as prescribed by ebay's instructions (had to use a special code in the link to the BadWeB ebay store). This was a widespread problem as indicated by other ebay storefront users who had the exact same problem. So it was nothing new to them. It was a known problem for a large number of ebay storefront users.
But ebay actually provided their storefront users with tools to see how their buyers found their ebay store; it lists the web pages from which buyers were directed to the ebay storefront. Well that ebay provided tool showed that virtually every single calendar buyer was directed to the sale from BadWeB and via the proscribed correctly coded hyperlink.
After a number of unhelpful ignorant email replies from ebay customer service, after showing them the report that their own referral tracking service provided, their representative demanded that I setup another sale as a test case to help them diagnose the issue.
Not being all that adept at setting up the store item sales, I advised that I didn't have the time to help them with that. I got a rude letter basically telling me to •••• off then.
I'll not be doing business on ebay ever again. In my dealings with them they came accross as an indifferent juggernaut of self-serving greedy bastards who are unwilling to do the right thing for their customers/users. |
Mfell2112
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 12:27 pm: |
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OK guys here is the result of the auction. After requesting a high res version of the auction pic and three emails later with no response I took it up with Paypal. This guy is making a chopper out of a Cyclone and even after I mentioned the tail section will drastically shake on a Cyclone if it was cracked he still insisted he sent me a good tail section. After I presented this to Paypal he has refunded my money. Now he says he did not know the item was cracked even though i explained it to him in the very first email. He said he thought the shakey tail section was normal on Buells. He never did send me the high res pic but, he deserves a little credit for refunding my money. I guess if you know little about the quirks of Buells this could be an honest mistake. All in all this has been resolved other than the fact he expects for me to send him back the tail section which i will do but, I am stuck paying the shipping. Not gonna happeen unless he wants to cover the shipping. I am going to make him an offer though. Since I would have to ship the item out anyway I would just sell the item for him and Paypal him the money minus the Ebay charges. I think that is more than fair. Thanks for all the great advice guys. Happy Buelling.
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Kim
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 01:35 pm: |
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Mike, Its good that you got your money back. Are you interested in the tail section I emailed you about?
Kim |
Mfell2112
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 02:05 pm: |
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If it is yellow I am not interested but thanks for the offer. Put it up on EBAY.I don't have a place to paint a tail section. I think I am just going to epoxy mine back together.
Regards
Mike |
Koz5150
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 02:12 pm: |
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Well I have bout a number of parts on ebay for my Buell that has saved me over $1000! I bought a M2 tailsection (like new) for $26 (red) and most recently I purchased an entire M2 brake system (lines, calipers, rear mount) that was polished and chromed for $105.
If you deal with people that have solid feedback and take the time to view some of their transactions (amount of money, whether buying or selling) you can find decent people to deal with. |
Kim
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 03:11 pm: |
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Its a black one from a 1999 M2.
Kim |
Jon
| | Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 03:22 pm: |
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Right on, Mike. |
Devdawg
| | Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 05:44 pm: |
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Mike,
Glad to hear it worked out for you...I was bidding on that tail section too and would have been pissed to find out it was cracked in the same place mine is.
Let me know how epoxying yours goes...I've tried but mine keeps cracking.
Kim, How much you asking for your black one?? |
Jsunstar
| | Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 01:39 pm: |
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mike,
if this guy gave you all this hassle and if you really thought that he was trying to scam the insurance claim, you should have said so with neutral feedback that had an explaination so others can be wary of such dealings.
( i say neutral because he made it better eventually)
if you have a problem and the seller (or buyer) gives you this much hassle, it should be told in feedback. it warns of such things to other ebay users. neutral doesnt do any damage but keeps people thinking and asking more questions (like, is this tail section cracked anywhere?)
i read very closely into feedback. your seller had almost all his positive feedback from buying. he hasnt proved anything in selling stuff. not everyone is good at it and that should be considered when sending money to a stranger.
i use ebay alot, ive saved untold loot on bike parts (as well as all my christmas shopping last year) and made lots too...
ebay is a great tool, you just have to be careful with who your dealing with and at what capacity.
im glad it worked out for you, ive had a few no-shows on ebay stuff ive bought and paypal has been very good at getting me my money returned.
i had to call a police department once for an ebay complaint with less positive results...
either way, as always and with anything, know what your buying, who its from and above all. BUYER BEWARE!
ebays a tool but its also a scam artists dream!
jason in the burgh |
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