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Davefl
| | Posted on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 08:09 pm: | 
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Ok more pics.
First pic. All the parts.
Here is the sandwich adapter with thermostat.
Back side of mounting bracket.
Front side of mounting bracket.
Completed install.
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Davefl
| | Posted on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 08:19 pm: |
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For those that want to know I guess I should talk price.
The sandwich adapter from Mocal was $80. You can get one without the thermostat for $40. It is made for a Ford Mustang and is available at www.batinc.net
The oil cooler is a new XB part bought from my local dealer. If I can remember correctly it cost $130.
The hoses and fittings were made up at a local hydraulic supply house. The cost of all of the hoses and fittings cost $74
So the grand total was $284. Not the cheapest cooler you can get but a fail price for a cooler with a thermostat.
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Davefl
| | Posted on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 08:22 pm: |
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I almost forgot. The flair fitting on the cooler are not standard AN 37 degree fittings they are SAE 45 degree fittings. That little fact made it a little hard to find fittings that will work. |
Djkaplan
| | Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 12:09 am: |
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Congratulations on the great fab job - looks real sanitary. Bet you had a great time doing it. Question: Is the cooler in a area where it's likely to be damaged if you lay the bike down? |
Davefl
| | Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 07:02 am: |
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Djkaplan, I don't think so and I hope I don't find out. The cooler should be OK in a mild lay down, It sets out no further than it would on a XB and the fairing on the S3 is wider than the XB's so I think it will be OK. I could see the scoop getting scuffed up but it was less than $20 so it could be replaced. |
Loki
| | Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 10:51 am: |
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Dave,
Nice, very nice. I was thinking along the same lines for the cooler option.
Do you remember the sandwich part number?
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Davefl
| | Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 11:13 am: |
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Loki, if I remember correctly it is the sp1t. here is a link to the adapter page.
http://www.batinc.net/files/sp1t.pdf |
Loki
| | Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 12:37 pm: |
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Thanks
Some very nice pieces that they have. |
Lago888
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 11:04 am: |
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can someone tell me how to check the oil level when the upgrade American Sport Bike aluminum oil tank is installed ?
thanks |
Steveford
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 04:30 pm: |
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Lago888,
Al at American Sport Bike says to stand the bike upright and the hot oil level should just reach the top of the back wall on his S1 (if I remember correctly) and if you overfill, your bike will drink oil.
The fellows at Trojan Horse in England said to leave at least 2" of airspace for the oil to expand.
I made a dipstick out of a 6x90mm Allen bolt, drained the oil, put on a new filter and added 3-3.5 quarts of oil, ran the bike and then made my own marks. 3 quarts for the S3, 3.5 quarts for the X1.
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Lago888
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 06:09 pm: |
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good stuff, thanks very much Steve |
Al_lighton
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 10:42 pm: |
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Not quite, Steve, but close.
The bottom line is that you want your return line (the one on the side) always to be above the top surface of the WARM oil in the tank, never submerged. If you look at the oil tank straight from the rear, you can see what level would be at the bottom of that side fitting.
That level intersects with the curved back wall of the tank just about straight below the filler cap. Not the TOP of the back curved wall, which is a couple inches behind the filler cap and a little higher. This makes for a real easy level check. Look STRAIGHT down in the hole. If you can see the oil surface against the shiny aluminum rear wall, you're at the perfect level, at least on an S1. I'm less sure of that for an M2/S3 tank, and have no idea on an X1 tank, I haven't personally mounted one on an X1.
I like Steve's dipstick idea. But frankly, I never use the dipstick on my S3 with a stock tank/Banke cap either. I've just kinda got my eye calibrated to where it needs to be.
Al |
Steveford
| | Posted on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 07:03 am: |
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Al,
I'm old so you have to make allowances but I'm glad you responded.
If you go with a dipstick, make real sure everything is clean before you Loctite it in place and I used a lock nut just to be on the safe side.
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Jlewis50
| | Posted on Sunday, August 08, 2004 - 11:13 pm: |
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Folks,
I found the sandwich for the oil cooler project at a local parts store for $30.00 It fits a small block Ford motor. Polished it up and looks like billet. It was cast AL.
Joe |
Bomber
| | Posted on Monday, August 09, 2004 - 09:23 am: |
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Jerry -- pics? P/N? inquiring minds are curious! |
Iamike
| | Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 09:59 pm: |
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Since we brought up the oil level question I was curious where the oil goes to when it is overfilled. On my recent trip I had oil on the front of the swingarm, dripping on the shock and a little in various other places.
I realized I had overfilled (top of the stick) beforehand. Now the vent hose goes back to the crankcase so had did that oil get all over? I couldn't pin down the source. |
Bobodean1
| | Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 05:57 pm: |
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regarding the sandwich adapter: If a ford filter fits...wont an adapter for the ford fit also? They are like $20 from JEGS. Is this what you bought JLewis? |
Rick_a
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 12:06 pm: |
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On my oil cooler (Lockhart Sportster item) I just ran lengthy hoses without an adapter. An adapter does make for a clean mount, though... |
Softailbuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 02:04 pm: |
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Iamike,
I dunno about you, but when I overfilled my tank (more of a regular oilbag, than what's in the stock Buells, I didn't notice until the bike was good and warm. Then gunning it out of a curve the cap shot off the plug (missing my leg somehow) and my first sign of trouble was the smell of fried chicken and an uncomfortably warm sensation on the back of my leg, as everytime I accelerated a small "spit" of oil would shoot out. Luckily the gear took the brunt of the hot oil, and once I limped (semi-sidesaddle) back to the barn a turkey baster was sacrificed to drop the oil level to something a bit more acceptable.
Due to the fact it's a custom job, I can't use a stock dipstick, however, I've learned right about where the 3qt mark is with the bike level and cold. |
Bobodean1
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 08:18 am: |
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davefl..That sure is a nice setup. I went to home depot and found brass fitting with barbs on the end for $1.89. I plan on using plain old black oil line with stainless hose clamps. But yours sure does look better.  |
Davefl
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 08:02 pm: |
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Bobodean1, Yeah those should work I just didn't want the same old rubber hose and clamps. That is one of the reasons I don't like the Jagg set up. The way it is it does not look so much like an add on or an afterthought, at the last local BRAG ride I went on some of the guys did not even notice it until I pointed it out. |
Davefl
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 08:09 pm: |
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Regarding the Parts store or Jegs adapter plate. I am sure they will do a good job of sending oil to the cooler. Maybe to good of a job. You run the chance of the oil never getting up to temp and not boiling off gas, water vapor, or acids that build up in the oil. The one I got has a build in thermostat and does not send oil to the cooler until the oil reaches 190 degrees. I know people who run a cooler without a thermostat but they cover it up when the air temp drops. Bottom line is it is your bike but I could not compromise for mine. JMHO |
Steve02x1
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 09:39 pm: |
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while doing an oil change today, I noticed right where the oil filter seal mates, on that smooth polished rim there is a crack, its on the bottom in front of where the oil pressure switch is, I dont know what to do about this one, any suggestions? thank-you. |
Bobodean1
| | Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 05:35 am: |
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Dave....I never ride when its cool. I guess I am a wimp. Plus the stop and go commute to and from work should let that oil heat up plenty. Thats what got me interested in an oil cooler in the first place. One weekend at Summit Point Raceway a couple of years ago, we tooled around the place in 95 degree heat for two days. I lost almost a quart! Wonder where it went? Dont know. But that motor was HOT!!! Different strokes for different folks. |
Rick_a
| | Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 01:31 pm: |
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The Jagg bypass valve is a good addition. I know my oil is up to temp when my right thigh starts cookin'. I run the cooler all summer and keep 'er shut off in the winter months. |
Jlewis50
| | Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 10:37 pm: |
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Folks I finally got my oil cooler mounted on my X-1. I saw the slick installation and it motivated me.
I lucked out and was able to purchase a used Setrab oil filter(6x2x2) from ebay with 3 AN6 hoses for $40. These were braided SS with 90 Degree fittings on one end of the hosed and straight fittings on the other ends.
I manufactured clamps out of 2x2 billet AL. Drilled a 3/4 hole through the AL and cut it 1.5 inches. I then drilled 3/16 holes for the clamps. Then I cut the Al in half to complete the clamp.
I purchased .25 in x 2 in flat al from Home depot and bent it into a rectangle, mounted the Oil cooler into it and mounted the entire assembly to my home made clamps.
Using the oil cooler sandwich, Hayden $30 with thermostat, I connected the entire assembly together with the Braided lines.
Didn't turn out too badly considering my limited machine skills.
Took it for a ride today and it seems to function pretty well. Hopefully it will reduce engine temp.
I am not sure where you guys are from, but here in South Carolina it is HOT!!! Most days it is 90+ with humidity around 80%.
It has been so hot I have actually been riding with a t-shirt and no helmet.
Later,
Joe |
Buell_zen
| | Posted on Monday, August 23, 2004 - 09:35 pm: |
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I am not sure where you guys are from, but here in South Carolina it is HOT!!! Most days it is 90+ with humidity around 80%.
It has been so hot I have actually been riding with a t-shirt and no helmet.
It has been hot and humid here in Houston. I am fat and sweat. I have used a helmet every day. I just twist the throttle and get a cool breeze.  |
Road_thing
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 10:01 am: |
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Hey, B_Z, where in Houston are you?
rt |
Davefl
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 10:03 am: |
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Jlewis50, how about some more info on the Hayden sandwich adapter with thermostat. At $30 it is a lot cheaper than the one I used. |
Rick_a
| | Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 01:55 pm: |
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I got a cheapo sandwich adapter from Jeggs...I just need to gut that internal bypass valve out of it and it'll be perfect. |
