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Buelldad
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 07:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

does the buell - sportster oil pump have a check ball in it like the big twins ??
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Jeffb
Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 08:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No. There isn't anything other than the tight fitment of the gerotors to keep oil from draining into the engine from the oil tank.
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Sportyeric
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 04:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Incorrect. There is a check ball behind the threaded piece that the oil-filter screws onto. On the tuber engines, anyway. But it does allow leakage sometimes. write down your oil level in the fall and check it in the spring so you know what to expect.
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Jeffb
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 08:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

True, but the oil pump is located between the tank and the filter mount, so the oil still can leak through the pump into the engine. The check ball would need to be between the tank and the pump to completely stop leakage through the pump.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 09:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Interesting, so oil can leak from the tank into the engine via the oil pump's return circuit(s). I'd never thought of that.

As the engine cools, the gasses in the crankcase also cool and contract and thus create a vacuum inside the crankcase. It's not too difficult to see how that might tend to pull oil from the tank into the engine via the oil pump's return circuit. But doesn't the return line into the oil tank enter above the surface of the oil? If so, then why wouldn't the vacuum pull air from the tank via that route? Seems that it would, so then if oil is draining into the engine, it must be only due to gravity, not the vacuum.

Did I miss something?
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Sportyeric
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 06:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Now I'm going to have to go out and look.LOL.
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Buelldad
Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 08:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

what is goin on is when i park it it has an oil leak at the front rh cyl to base stud area -the longer it sets the larger the puddle --it did this all winter --when i mooved it it made a new puddle --wouldnt think there would b that much oil left in the engine --& before u ask no it doesnt blow oil from the vents when u start it --in fact ive cleaned it up & rode it 4 a couple a hours --no leak till it sets --gotta b comin from some where this is an 97 with tstorm pistons ,heads & light crank
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Breadman
Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 10:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake,

What would happen if the oil tank is too full?

Spencer
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Buelldad
Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 05:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the tank isnt over full --in fact u can tell thats where its from because the level drops
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Sportyeric
Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2011 - 04:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's a right head-scratcher! If there is a surplus of oil in the crankcase, why wouldn't it go out through the breathers? If its high enough to leak out at the base gasket, it should shoot right up the pushrod tubes on start-up.
If it was draining out of the oil tank into the cam cavity through the oil-pump, that is still connected to the crankcase.
Does the check ball just stop oil from emptying out of the oil filter and all the oil passages up-stream back into the oilpump or crank? I suppose it must.
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