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Mm128
Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok...

I am looking to have some parts repainted on some BUELLS.

I need to know the BEST method of doing it for LONGEVITY.

There will be a tank painted as well.

I need to know the BEST: Paint, flex agent, Primer etc....

Any ADDED steps that will ENSURE longevity PLEASE let me know.

I will also be doing HARD BAGS for my S3... so ALL advise is GREATLY APPRECIATED.

Thanks
Matt (*LEO SOUTH GA.)
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Buell_bert
Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 11:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

To ENSURE your best paint job and ENSURE you get the best for LONGEVITY and using the BEST PAINT. You need the best PERSON that can paint it given the most money you can afford. So Please contact the best person in your area that paints bikes and they will use the proper products for the temperature and humidity and type of paint you wish. My nephew does custom jobs but with paint and air brushing a cheap job is probably 2 grand. Hey a good job is not cheap, and a cheap job is not good.
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Mm128
Posted on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 08:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am NOT worried about the money..


I am curious about the FLEX AGENTS... PRIMERS... BASE.... CLEAR...

I know that these tanks have a tendancy to crack paint due to them expanding... which is NOT the same as painting a normal fender or hood on a vehicle.

Thats why i asked for information on what is the BEST and what has worked the best for others.

I SERIOUSLY doubt that a standard base/clear in ONE color will cost $2K on a bike.

I am ONLY looking at a Gas Tank being done.

Matt.
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Packrat
Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 09:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Your FIRST post said "some parts on SOME buells", including a GAS TANK..in which case,it's gonna COST ya!!It's like Buell_bert said " a good job ain't cheap and a cheap job ain't good". Like bert stated, just get the BEST bike PAINTER around you to do it, TELL him what you want(in detail) and WRITE the
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Djkaplan
Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 04:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Hey a good job is not cheap, and a cheap job is not good."

Bikes aren't exactly like cars, especially when there are only 4 parts to paint. The best paint job I ever got on my Cyclone was free, as in 'no charge'. Absolutely trouble free with no bubbling or cracking either because the painter used PPG products.

Here is the skinny from Al at American Sport Bike.

>>This info came directly from the good folks at Buell that were kind enough
>>to forward it to me when I'd asked about how to prevent paint bubbling on
>>Buell Tube frame tank repaints. This is what they use to paint the tanks
>>originally, and Buell hasn't had a problem with PAINT bubbling, only decal >>bubbling. They won't warranty that if you follow the info contained
>>herein that you won't have paint bubbling, but I'm guessing you won't have >>a problem if you follow it.

>>>>Al>>>>>>>

I hope the Info. send helps, if not drop me a e-mail. I will get some
>>>more info.
>>>Details for the following:
>>> PPG primer we use
>>>Primer is K36 PPG
>>>Hardener is K201 PPG
>>>Reducer can be any of the following
>>>DT-895
>>>DT-885
>>>>>> PPG base coat types we use
>>>The Base coat is Deltron 2000 which is DBC
>>>>>> PPG clear coat we use
>>>DCU2042 PPG is speed clear
>>>Hardener is DCX9 PPG
>>>Reducer can be any of the following
>>>DT-895
>>>DT-885
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Buell_bert
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 01:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey that is great DJ but my brother inlaw owns a paint shop and I still have to buy my own paint. Mm's 1st to 2nd posts were a bit different. I am glad you have Al's info it should help get it done. I have painted cars, bikes, boats, trucks, and maybe some other things. But my next project will be powder coated and that will have to be sent in. I'm sure Mm's tank will turn out just fine.
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Packrat
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 08:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wow !! Now that IS real information !!! Thanks for the post
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Mm128
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 09:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thats the INFO i was looking for... sorry for the vagueness....

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.


Matt.
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Djkaplan
Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 03:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh, I got the info from another Badwebber. We've been passing around the E-mail from AL for quite a while now.

The horrible part is that I didn't get this information until my bike was painted a second time... with Sikkens products. Sikkens is high end stuff and the paint job was beautiful, but it bubbled eventually. The PPG paint job I had never bubbled or cracked the entire time it was on the bike.
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Duceater
Posted on Monday, January 04, 2010 - 04:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Has anyone tried to coat the inside of their tank with the KBC product. It is supposed to be impervious to fuel/fuel vapors. Wouldn't this solve the whole bubbling issue? Then all you would need is to use paint with a flex agent. Am I wrong here?

http://www.kbs-coatings.com/Tank-Sealers_c_7-1-0.h tml

Eric
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Kusskid76
Posted on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 06:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Duceater,
if i recall from a post i read here the tuber tanks are abs plasic and the kbc ad only states for steel aluminium or fiberglass tank makes me kinda iffy about ruining my tank so if you want to try it on YOUR tank let us know how it turns out
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Duceater
Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 12:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

that's what I suspected... I read that even the abs plastic has some grit for the tank liner to adhere to. When I get it done, I'll let ya'll know what happens. I'll probably be doing it in the next couple months. My workshop needs to warm up a little ; ).
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Kusskid76
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 05:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Duceater,
today I talked to KBC's tech support about your idea, I explained the whole fuel tank paint issue to them and they DO NOT RECOMEND using any of their tank sealer product can't guraranty it will adhere to the plastic.
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