| Author | Message | ||
     Nortcom |
OK........so am I a retard or is Pingel's website just a little difficult to figure out? I'll bet I spent an hour trying to find a fuel shut off for my leaking 2001 M2 valve.....found the adapter but the valve??? Anyone else familiar with their site? I am getting up there in years! | ||
| Firemanjim |
My Pingel on an S-1 tank is an adapter plate that screws to the plastic tank with 3/8 pipe threads in it and the petcock has 3/8 male pipe threads and screws into plate.Looks like a 1000 series with on/off/reserve.Like a 1311 AH or CH if you go with new style plate. Or 1211 if you go same route I did. Here is their info Part Number Information A = Aluminum (Reserve Valves Polished/Race Valves are Matt Grey C = Chrome NPT = National Pipe Thread H-D Metric = 22mm Diameter Thread (1975 to Present Harley-Davidson®) All Power-Flo valves come standard with 5/16 hose outlets Note: All descriptions and designs are left side mounted with the top view of the valve illustrating the position of the lever. See below for suggested valve positioning on the fuel tank. Here is what they list for Buell now http://www.pingelonline.com/hex_buell.htm Looks like plate has male threads now.Alot of the different part #'s are for fancy shapes to the petcock.Don't really need a finned or grooved petcock myself. (Message edited by firemanjim on April 04, 2006) | ||
| Ragnagwar |
Nortcom Just a word of caution! I had to purchase a 3/8 pipe tap to chase the threads on the adapter. The chrome plating in the threads made the fit so tight that it started to chew up the threads on the aluminum (1211AH) valve. | ||
| Buellistic |
"PLEASE", someone explain to me how a PRINGLE FUEL VALVE can flow more gas into the FLOAT BOWEL when the FLOAT NEEDLE remains the OEM SIZE ??? | ||
| Nortcom |
 Thanks for the info everyone. I found the page where it describes the adapter plate and the fuel valve for the Buell as being Part# A1603C-B but for the life of me I can't seem to figure out how to order it. Maybe I don't want one as bad as I thought | ||
| Bomber |
LaFeyette there is some evidence that the stock petcock doesn't flow as much fuel as the stock float bowl needle valve -- this evidence almost always cites high-rpm running, like, say, at the end of a straight at a race track, but I do know of a street only ride that fried his motor due to fuel starvation traced to the stock petcock | ||
| Buellistic |
Bomber: IMO you set the FLOAT on the max. high side of SPECS if one is inclined to ride like you stole it(or race it) ... LaFayette (Message edited by buellistic on April 04, 2006) | ||
| Bluelightning |
Lafeyette, I know it sounds like crap, but I have actually done a test with a stock petcock vs a Pingel when I did my carb conversion. with the stocker mounted in the tank, I timed the flow of fuel into a measured container for 10 seconds. Swapped to the Pingel and ran the same test, the amount of fuel into the container was more after the 10 seconds than it was with the stock hd valve. I believe that the interior bore of the valve is slightly larger allowing more fuel to flow faster, like the difference between a garden hose and a fire hose flows more water faster. As for the float, you are right, the fuel will stop filling the bowl if the float is full, but when your ride with a modified motor that needs/uses more fuel it is good to be able to fill that bowl just as fast as needed and not wonder if the stock unit can or does. Granted my test was not exactly "scientific" using timed cameras and calibrated equipment, but there was a noticeable difference in the amount (marked by my calibrated sharpie on the clear bowl) when running my "test". | ||
| Mikej |
Okay, just out of curiosity, if one takes a stock CV carb off a Buell, puts a 190/45 jet combo in it, then puts it onto a sucking device to simulate a 1203cc engine running at 5,500rpm under a load simulating 125mph, exactly how much fuel would be flowing thru the carb? To eliminate the petcock issue just put a 5 gallon bucket of gas with a 1/2" garden hose plumbed into the bottom of it above the carb feeding directly into the gas inlet of the carb. Just curious what the maximum fuel flow is for a stock bore CV carb on a Buell vs the flow capacity of any petcock format. | ||
| Buellistic |
Bluelighting: Do the test with the flow through the float needle valve between the two petcocks !!! IMO no matter how big a petcock or feed hose the needle valve will flow the same amount !!! | ||
| Bluelightning |
I agree that the needle will still flow the sam amount. I just would rather have the warm fuzzy feeling knowing that I have the needed fuel in the bowl when the bike wants it than guess that the bowl is full. BTW, I run a CV-44 that has a modified needle (read as not STOCK) and is jetted a little on the rich side. In other words, I pass anything but a gas station, and usually only get about 130 miles out of my X-1 per tank, so gas flow is an issue making me need the faster flowing petcock. | ||
| Buellistic |
Bluelighting: My 97S3T still has the LIGHTING HEADS and CV-40 ... Running M2 needle, "PRODUCT IMPROVEMENT" on slide, stock heat range sparkplugs,idle screw 2 1/2 turns out from seat, 48 low speed,and 200 high speed with the timing mark just coming in to the rear of the timing plug hole ... Get on it 47-49 mpg, pu$$y foot around 51-56 mpg ... | ||
| Bluelightning |
Here again, your bike is basically stock with MINOR mods. Mine is 00 X-1 with carb conversion using CV-44 with modified needle, reworked slide and jetted (done by Bob Wood of Wood Carbs), stage III heads, 11:1 compression, .630 lift cams (again by Bob Wood), forcewinder, and custom exhaust. This is not an apples to apples comparison of our 2 bikes, yours as a mostly stock unit would not see any improvement from a better flowing fuel valve, but mine and others out there that have major performance work that need more fuel would benefit from the Pingel. Different people have different ways of making power and tuning their bikes. Doesn't make anyone wrong, just different strokes for different folks. |
