| Author | Message | ||
     Gitrdone |
Just bought some MOTUL TWIN SYN V Twin motorcycle oil 20W50 for the ULY. Has anyone used this? | ||
| Pbransonii |
Yeah, It smokes like a bitch when you're trying to fry some chicken. I prefer peanut oil. But that's just me. Paul | ||
| Chris_in_tn |
Good oil that is overpriced and usually hard to find on a consistent basis. Most dealers don't carry it for very long because it does not move, because of price and US customers unfamiliarity with the brand. | ||
| Mb182 |
I used it in a KTM - no issues other than the $$ MB182 | ||
| Thunderbox |
That oil is a highly regarded product in Europe. European oil specs are more stringent than our own. You can trust that product. Good choice in oil as far as I'm concerned. | ||
| Superbee24 |
It really doesn't matter as long as you ,Change it frequently. Save money and Use peanut oil bought at Sam's/CostCo in bulk. | ||
| Smcnamara |
Looking at the Amsoil Motorcycle Engine Oil study: http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g2156.pdf The MOTUL oil in their test (MOTUL 3000V Competition - 15w50) seems to be an excellent oil in many respects. While I know the study was done by Amsoil, it seems to be fairly free of bias, although I haven't seen any other studies to use as comparison. I also learned a few things about motor oil from it. I decided to run Amsoil in my engines. A victim of good marketing? Maybe, but at least I feel like I've got good reasons. The fact that the MOTUL oil did very well in many categories of a test by a competitor is a good indication it's a quality product, although in their final scoring (using unweighted category ratings - so take with a grain of salt) it finished in the middle of the pack. I think Superbee has got it pretty right: Change it often, and you should be pretty good regardless of what you run. If you are really going to be rough on the engine, or are going to have extended change intervals, then maybe it makes sense to look at things like breakdown, acidity, and corrosion stats. | ||
| Stevenknapp |
Do you also run Amsoil in the primary/trans? If so, what stuff? | ||
| Smcnamara |
I'm not currently running Amsoil in the primary, and still have Formula+ in there. Initially, the word was that if you were switching to synthetic, you could run the Screaming Eagle SYN3 as both engine and primary oil, but then heard that SYN3 was not recommended. Since SYN3 is not currently recommended for the primary, and Amsoil MCV is a replacement for SYN3, I'm wondering if there is something different/better for that particular application. I've sent the question off to the folks at Amsoil, and will let you know what I hear back. | ||
| Chadhargis |
I didn't rear the entire report, but it appears that Syn3 faired pretty well. | ||
| Smcnamara |
Chad: You're right. SYN3 did pretty well in the test, although still fell behind Amsoil in most (all?) categories. Still a good product, and something you can get easily at your local HD shop... Amsoil isn't quite so easy to get ahold of. Heard back from Amsoil, and according to them, their 20w50 V-Twin oil (MCV) is appropriate for the primary. What were the problems experienced by people using SYN3 in the primary? Does anyone have any idea why the problem occurs? Response is below: ----------------------------------------------- From: Anderson, Dave Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:05 AM To: Mail TechService Subject: RE: Technical Service Contact Form Thank you for contacting AMSOIL with your concerns. In response to your inquiry, the Harley-Davidson “Formula +” (part number 99851-05) is replacing the following old HD products. Primary Chaincase Lubricant 99887-84, Transmission Lubricant 99892-84 and Sport-Tran Fluid 99896-88. The Formula + fluid is an SAE 50 grade product and can be easily replaced with the AMSOIL Advanced Synthetic Motorcycle oil product code MCV. Thank you again for the opportunity to respond to your concerns. As always, please feel free to contact us again if we can be of further assistance. Sincerely. David Anderson Technical Product Manager, Power Sports Group AMSOIL Inc. The accuracy of this e-mail response is dependent on the information provided. AMSOIL INC is not responsible for wrong recommendations that were based on inaccurate or incomplete information. ----------------------------------------------- | ||
| Jim_sb |
A good friend of mine is the local Amsoil Distributor. I just bought a case of their synthetic for the Uly (the V Twin for HD stuff) and a case of synthetic for 4 stroke dirt bikes for my DRZ. Haven't had a chance to use either yet. The 2 cases cost me just over $200 total (including tax). It's not cheap, but I've great success with synthetics I've used in the past - I expect this stuff will be good as well. The test reports are impressive. | ||
| Clayman |
I just talked to the service department and when someone wants a synthetic oil they use The HDSYN3 and also in the primary. Does anybody know what tthe supposed concerns are | ||
| Snooker |
Concerns, for syn3....yeah, consistancy...H-D doesn't drill, refine, nor process their own oil....severral years back Sunoco was their Vendor, then Citgo under bid them.....it's all bottom line to H-D.....get the bike thru it's warranty period, then the owner can pay out the arse for repairs. I use Mobil1 15w50 "Gold Cap" auto oil....and have been for years....if ya don't like my choice, don't use it, 'nuff said. | ||
| Brucelee |
Ditto-why use HDSYN 3 when we don't know anything about it? M1 or Red Line are the deal IMO. | ||
| Sparky |
I believe the Amsoil test tells me everything I need to know about Syn3. It ranks 6 highest out of 16 oils from 14 manufacturers per ASTM test methods. Pretty good oil in my book; YMMV. Re Red Line, Be advised: If used in the primary, it can cause a gum-like goop to precipitate onto the coils of the stator. Happened twice on my 2 tubers. Others have reported the stuff fouling the clutch. | ||
| Brucelee |
Can you post a link to the study you reference? On the goop issue, is this RL motor oil or gear oil? | ||
| Sparky |
Sure, it's smcnamara's link in this thread. You'll find Syn3 referenced in the SAE 50 wt group tests. In my case it was Redline Light Shockproof gear oil and others have had similar problems with RL Heavy Shockproof. However, I don't recall others posting problems with RL engine oil. | ||
| Blake |
To clarify, it's the Redline "Shockproof" line of gear lubes that contain suspended solids and is problematic for use in Buell and Sportster primaries/trannies.  | ||
| Blake |
I don't trust Amsoil sponsored testing. I think Amsoil is fine oil. I think their marketing folks are not honest. | ||
| Jim_sb |
Hi Blake, I've got 2 cases of Amsoil synthetic. A case of their air cooled V-Twin oil for Harley's & Buells and a case of some other Amsoil synth for my dirt bike. I guess I'm your guinea pig. Stay tuned. So far so good. :-) Jim in Santa Barbara | ||
| Blake |
I think the oil is good stuff. I just don't like the shady marketing techniques they use is all. | ||
| Brucelee |
I did review the study that was cited. Yes, Syn3 placed 6th in the study. It was a "middling" oil in the study but was priced at the top of the range, hence, even in this study, the value equation was lower than say, for M1 Twin. The concern I have is that it was quite a ways down on the one test I find most crucial with our bikes, High Temp. Shear Strength. To me, this is clearly one category that I want my oil to shine in. In that regard, one is much better off with Amsoil, M1 Twin and Red Line. Hey, if you are going to pay the price, might as well get the goods! | ||
| Crusty |
it's all bottom line to H-D.....get the bike thru it's warranty period, then the owner can pay out the arse for repairs. I had 125,000 miles on my '88 FLHS when I sold it. My '98 S3-T had 60,000 miles, and I put 55,000 miles on my 2000 M2. I used H-D oil in all of them, and I didn't have any engine troubles. What repairs am I supposed to be paying out the ass for? | ||
| Buellnick |
I use AMSOIL Series 2000 (20W50) Racing Oil in the engine...this is the best stuff AMSOIL has in that weight range and has all the supplemental metals to help protect the engine under extreme conditions. I used to use AMSOIL MCV (20w50) in the trans. I heard many reports from owners that that the trans ran and shifted smoother with heavier oil. I was not surprised that HD introduced FORMULA+ which is obviously a heavier oil. Since the new XBs use FORMULA+ and recommended change intervals are not even listed... I decided to try it. The trans shifts and runs noticeably smoother. I'm sold on heavier oil for the trans... |
