| Author | Message | ||
     Ferris |
FB, No. And you can't make me. then, exactly how would you know that it's an appliance?  FB | ||
| Littledog1 |
Reepicheep - An easier way to check Pinion Gear wear, and general engine health, is to cut open the oil filter after each oil change. If you find a LOT of metal, or any 'chunks', then you can begin to disassemble...... Mickey | ||
| Spudman |
Rempss, The part number of the oil pump drive gear 26318-88A, same as that listed in the 99/00 parts book. That 88 on the end makes me think this part hasn't changed for some time. The piece did not feel like steel, more like an alloy of some kind. The cost is $15.00. The primary rub shoe/plate assembly was replaced last year because it failed then chewed up and spit little plastic chuncks all over the primary side. Again another $15.00 piece that caused me headaches. It however was replaced with a newer part number and appears to be stronger (thicker plate). This I can excuse because it is a consumable part that happened to fail, however the failure was well within it's wear limits. I did not consider the oil pump drive gear to be a consumable until recently. The oil drive gear can be inspected by dropping the oil pump and looking up through the hole. Replacement will require removal of the cam cover and pinion gear. This is definetly a 6-pack kind of job. And maybe a bottle of Jack if you fail to get the cam cover to seal. | ||
| Spudman |
Blake said, "Great pics. Thanks for sharing." All the thanks belongs to you. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to share my pics with the world. Thanks for starting and keeping the BadWeb alive. Thanks for tolerating the diverse opinions shared by this unique group. Thanks for organizing and continuously improving this site. My life runs at a fast pace in many diverse directions simultaneously. Sometimes the only smile that graces my face during troubled days comes from reading the crap people write here. Thank you for making these smiles possible, and for giving me the opportunity to bring a smile to someone else’s busy day. | ||
| Blake |
FB said... "then, exactly how would you know that it's an appliance?" I think I read it in a magazine.  | ||
| Crusty |
I know my toaster is an appliance, just by looking at it. I don't need to ride it. 22,000 miles on my M2. The pinion gear is fine. | ||
| Spudman |
Conclusion to my oil drive gear dilemma; The bike is finally on the road again. The leaky cam cover from reassembly was due to a folded gasket during install. Also replaced intake seals, exhaust gaskets, cleaned out the carb and put on a different air filter assembly. The throttle cable also had to be replaced, it was bent earlier in it’s life and was now stuck. Managed to hit 120 and did at least a half dozen wheelies on the shake down run into work this morning. Motor seems to be just as strong as ever, but I’m getting a big pow-pu-pow-pow on deceleration. The V&H glass pack must have burnt out from the HOT run down the backside of St. Helens. Plan on doing some SUPERSplash route eval this weekend with my fellow STC BRAG members. We’ll be on the same roads where my oil pump drive gear was chewed up last July. Hope to have much more fun this time. Hey Ferris, stop reading this crap and go fix the Blur! Just a little bit here and there and it will be good again in no time. You’ll get big karma kudos from the Buell gods for bringing the Blur legend back to the roads. Sure get that new Lighting that has you (and me) drooling, but it will never be as sexy as the S2. Come on Ferris, you can do it! | ||
| Blake |
Spudman, Sounds like your exhaust header gaskets aren't sealing properly. If their seal is not of proper integrity, air gets sucked into the header during deceleration which results in the pow-pu-pow-pow. My '97 M2, after 15K street and 600 track miles just started doing the same thing. It needs new header gaskets. Try reinstalling a new set. | ||
| Reepicheep |
My M2 did it shortly before I sheared a header stud (presumably because the other stud lost its nut). It's a shame it's so hard on the engine. It sounds REALLY cool | ||
| Ferris |
Hey Ferris, stop reading this crap and go fix the Blur! Just a little bit here and there and it will be good again in no time. You’ll get big karma kudos from the Buell gods for bringing the Blur legend back to the roads. Sure get that new Lighting that has you (and me) drooling, but it will never be as sexy as the S2. Come on Ferris, you can do it! well, i could sure use some big karma kudos from the Buell gods right about now, since i AM, after all, currently riding (and somehow enjoying) an APPLIANCE! tell you what, Spudster, i'll do some serious thinkin' about getting the BLURR ready in time for SuperSPLASH. money's been my excuse (a valid one, for sure), but where there's a will (and a NW riding bud kickin' from behind!), there's a way, right? twist a grip for me on the volcano this weekend, k? FB | ||
| Ferris |
I know my toaster is an appliance, just by looking at it. I don't need to ride it -- Crusty Changes I'd like to see the factory make: Make it as reliable as a Gold Wing -- Crusty um, reliable as in "appliance-like"? FB | ||
| Blake |
Nah, an appliance won't of its own accord vibrate its way down the driveway while idling on the sidestand. An appliance won't shake its tail like it's happy to see you. An appliance won't attract such an outstanding group of motorcycle enthusiasts. The likes of whome have never before been seen. An appliance won't instill such enthusiastic passion for adventure and hooliganistic camaraderie. You put 70K of hard miles on the Blur, she breaks down, she deserves to be repaired! You owe it to her. You are in denial. The guilt is eating you alive. The Blur will forgive you. Call Nallin Racing today. Tell them you want the Blake special... 1250 kit, stage-2 TS heads, and CM580 cams with adjustable pushrods, and the appropriate Dyna 2000 module. Prediction: FB gets the Blur back on the road, the VFR gets relegated to dustcatcher duty, especially if FB is smart enough to Nallinize. Are you sweating yet FB? | ||
| Ferris |
i don't sweat, i perspire! yes, consider me VERY wet FB | ||
| Spudman |
Blake, Thanks for the quick diagnosis, and you were right on. Before leaving work last night I ran my hand over the front and rear exhaust ports while the bike warmed up. And there tickling my fingers on the rear jug was indeed an exhaust leak. The header was not centered in the port when the nuts for the clamp were tightened up. If I look in the mirror I can blame the mechanic. All is well now. No exhaust leak and the extra intimidating pow sound is gone from deceleration, sigh. I kind of liked that noise, but it’s probably hard on the engine, burnt exhaust valves. Thanks again for the clue in Blake. I hope your prognostication on the Blur's future holds true. But I don't like the idea of Ferris wetting himself, icky. | ||
| Buellistic |
ATT: BUELLers My friend just bought a 2000 S3T off a privite individual with a litte over 26K miles. It quit running!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We pulled the cam cover off last night and found DRIVE GEAR,oil pump cleaned off???????? Of course the floating metal parts got into the cam gears and took a few teeth off some of them! Anyone discover the cause yet?????????????????? In buelling LaFayette | ||
| Buellistic |
ATT: BUELLers Could it be true that only the MODEL BUELLs which have had the DRIVE GEAR,oil pump "fail" have the OIL PUMP,complete PN 26204-98 in them?? What MODEL years is this happening to??????????? In buelling LaFayette | ||
| Reepicheep |
LaFeyette... I will be pulling mine this winter after the first snow for inspection, I will let you know and give you at least one more data point (2k M2). Bill | ||
| Rick_A |
The one I just bought is -91A...I hope it's safe! | ||
| Spudman |
And the saga continues …. It was a cool day in late November and the rain had just started to mist. My M2 was running strong on the 15-mile journey home from work. Freeway traffic was light because I had stayed late, so the Buell ate up the pavement as I tried to calculate the actual temperature due to wind chill factor at triple digit speeds. The light was green at the end of the exit so no waiting in the cold rain for me. Just two more turns before the mile-long slow drone up a gentle grade to the place where a cold beer and hot tub are waiting for me. Take the right turn and shift into second gear and suddenly no more power. What had been the crisp bark of a Buell motor on the pipe was now a pathetic growl, like the sound an old dog makes lying down for a nap. The bike coasted far enough to make the left hand turn but stops due to the gentle grade that doesn’t look so gentle anymore. A tap or two on the starter button and the engine sounds like it’s making NO compression, better start pushing. But only for about half a block before I realize that the mile home up the gentle grade pushing this bike in the pouring cold rain will kill me. Screw this, park the bike, get the truck. Took the valve covers off the following day to see if things are still working good on top. The starter button is pushed but there is no activity in the valve train, this is not a good thing. It had only been 1500 miles since I replaced the oil pump and drive gear, maybe the nut on the pinion gear was not tightened enough and has become loose. Need to crack the cam cover and see what’s going on in there. As soon as the cover opened I yelled,  As you can see in the pic above the oil pump drive gear broke at the weakest point where the grove is cut out for the key. The oil pump drive gear was laying in pieces at the bottom of the cam case and the pinion gear spun freely on the end of the crank with the nut still attached. Remove the nut and pinion gear to find the key all chewed up. Pic of the old and new key is below.  The damage done to the crank was severe. Pics below show damage to the top and bottom of the crank.   This engine looks like it’s a goner. But life hasn’t gone my way recently and I need to ride. So I bought another oil pump, drive gear and key and back on the road again. Bike is running strong, doing wheelies and breaking triple digits, just hope it lasts. Not sure what the failure was, but the damage is done. I’ll just ride it till it dies, then buy it a new heart when I can afford it. | ||
| Ferris |
Spudman, is there any debris or damage in the oil pump (the one that you just removed)? FB | ||
| Ferris |
ps to Spudman: the BLURR is still on the operating table, but in the meantime i just picked up a cherry '98 S1W White Lightning, which i'll be riding up to SPLASH. i have named it "Thong" FB | ||
| Roc |
SPUDMAN, I was on my way to Baxter's auto last Friday, my own Buell problem, and you were 2 vehicles back - who could mistake an M2 with that paint for another. I was happy to see that bike back on the road, almost did a Chinese firedrill at the stop light - just to say hi. | ||
| Redstripe |
I expressed my concerns 'bout the pinion gear back in September/October of last year. Following a strip down due to tuning and tranny problems this January, my concerns were verified; Pinion gear knackered, as were the cams and shiftdrum. The squish on one of the cilinders was also way off. We're talking 20.000 KMS here... I already planned to put SE's 536 in, and opted to put the Baker shiftdrum in there. -for the 5-speed- Still a bit early, though, for a guy with some mechanical sympathy... | ||
| Buellistic |
ATT: BUELLERS ie: OIL PUMP DRIVE GEAR The oil pump gear is harder than the penion shaft drive gear!!!!!!!!!! Ther is a slot in the -98 oil pumps in 1998 and later BUELLS. This -98 pump has a slot just below the oil pump drive gear which was a product update to suck oil out of the cam cover using the oil pump..... The ENGINER forgot to think about a SCREEN to cover this slot(metal gets into this slot and locks the oil pump up)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you as a BUELL OWNER improvise(make one) screen to cover this slot the problem will be solved!!!!!!!!! The factory does not have a clue yet!!!!!!!!!! In buelling LaFayette | ||
| Rick_A |
I thought the only update was the larger scavenge gerotor. I never noticed an additional passage. A piece of debris could kill either version...though if what you say is true...it'd be much easier for something nasty to get in the latter. | ||
| Spudman |
Ferris said, "...'98 S1W White Lightning, which i'll be riding up to SPLASH" Baa haa haa haaaaaa, cough cough haaaa. Let's see, 2 weeks of hard core touring planned with a naked bike that has a 100 mile tank, a 50 mile seat, and no room for your gear. Yea, Ferris is back, just hope your old body survives. Congrats on the new ride, last year of the beast, nice choice. Man are you going to be a hard ass during SPLASH, see you then. Hey Roc, If I known it were you I would have given you the proper Buell salute, with front wheel extended. I was probably on my way back from another make it or break it run. After cleaning all the crap out of the case, which included using a magnet on a stick and sacrificing several beers, I put it back together with a clean filter and oil. Ran it for 50 miles then changed filter and oil. Ran it for another 100 miles and did the same. I now have 2 stong magnets super glued to the end of the oil filter for paranoia. I believe my Buell owners manual said ride it, break it, fix it, repeat. Just following instructions. Buellistic and Rick_A, That additional passage is an improvement for scavage. Putting a screen over it might slow down the oil too much and defeat the design purpose. I don't know, just guesing. And to twist the plot a little more, I found that the key which I had to replace on my 99 M2 is a different part number and not interchangeable with a 00 M2. Oil pump and drive gear are the same though, kinda weird. | ||
| Nevco1 |
QUESTION...In the spirit of prevention and longevity for a 2000 X1, concerning the pinion gear and oil pump issue, exactly what parts should be replaced and who makes the most reliable ones? Bottom line is I would rather upgrade failure prone parts than push the bike home. | ||
| Ferris |
Baa haa haa haaaaaa, cough cough haaaa. Let's see, 2 weeks of hard core touring planned with a naked bike that has a 100 mile tank, a 50 mile seat, and no room for your gear. Yea, Ferris is back, just hope your old body survives. point by point: 1) "baa haa" back at you  2) hard core is always best; 3) naked and hard core is even better; 4) 5-1/2 gallon "Manta Ray" tank should give an easy 200-mile range between fill-ups; 5) the seat, however, WILL be an issue... 6) gear? i don't need no steenkin' gear! 7) yes i am; 8) me too... FB & Thong | ||
| Rick_A |
I can't believe I forgot about that passage when I switched pumps. I'm sure I must've noticed it! Ferris...does that 5-1/2 gallon tank actually hold that much? The most I can get in my "4 gallon" S1 tank is about 3...closer to 3-1/2 if I stretch it on reserve. | ||
| Ferris |
hi Rick i've only had Thong for a couple of weeks, and haven't yet had a chance to actually figure out how much THIS particular fuel tank holds. my guess is that it DOESN'T hold 5-1/2 gallons, despite the ad copy. but, if it holds at least FIVE gallons, and figuring 40 mpg (which is WAYYY pessimistic if my '96 Thunderbolt is any indication), 200 miles on a tank of gas should be attainable in a pinch. it's the frikkin' SEAT that's gonna be the limiting factor here, anyway Cheech & Thong |
