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Blake
Posted on Monday, November 05, 2001 - 03:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You should be fine with any of the new rear shocks. I'm 225 in riding apparel and ride frequently with 80LBs of gear on back and my rear sag is in spec at max preload. With your 275 on the front seat, you will be fine. In any case the simple addition of a stiffer spring would easily solve a lack of rear preload. In my opinion, for street riding, the stock damping has enough adjustment to accomodate a stiffer spring.
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Bullitt
Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2001 - 12:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Saw accessory / replacement seat in the new Buell catalog for the M2. Anybody have one of these? How do you like it? How does your passenger like it? My wife hates the shape of the stock seat and this one is over $100 cheaper than the Corbin. She is threatening to make this my Christmas present.
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Rippin
Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2001 - 09:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bullit,
Maybe you should give Sargents a call. We love our seat. Many 350-400 mile days logged on it.

seat on the ol 99

Ryan
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Bullitt
Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2001 - 11:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ryan -
Thank you for replying - this is exactly what I wanted - real experience from people who ride a lot. Where did you get your seat? Can you order mfg direct or do you need to find a distributor? Do you remember about how much it cost? Do you ever get the "With as much as you spend on that Buell every month in toys we could own a Mercedes" and "Two tires is HOW Much?" lectures?

Kevin
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Rippin
Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2001 - 10:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Kevin,
You can contact them at www.sargentcycle.com
Mine cost $265 but I had designed it myself and they charged extra for certain things. Well worth it. I've had Corbins on my last four bikes and the last two I had fitment problems. Took several times sending them back to almost get right. Can you say expensive shipping cost not to mention how arragant they were to deal with.
I had a material called Carbon FX put on the rear for Rachel so she wouldn't slide into me on hard braking. That cost extra. Here is a picture
Carbon FX
Any other questions you can ping me at
concretecarver@yahoo.com

Thanks Ryan
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Shotgun
Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2001 - 09:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wow, just bought a new 2001 M2 (traded in my beloved Blast). Without going through hundreds of previous postings, can someone tell me the best way to fix/replace the stock shifter/linkage? It's a pain in the ass, I mean foot. The shifter hits me back behind my big toe and I can't get any leverage to shift up. Did I see a picture somewhere of a heel/toe aftermarket unit?
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Blake
Posted on Monday, November 19, 2001 - 01:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Shotgun: Behind your big toe is exactly where the shifter should be contacting you riding boot. Try adjusting the lever's position downwards to improve it's ergonomics with your left foot.
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Tripper
Posted on Monday, November 19, 2001 - 08:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They have a service bulletin to replace the original 2001 M2/S3 shifter. Seems they didn't have enough leverage. Ask your dealer. If he doesn't know call 785-234-6174 ask for Bruce Zimmerman. Get the p/n and asked to be transferred to Parts.

Tell them Court sent you for better service. Well, maybe not...
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Shotgun
Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2001 - 10:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Tripper. I called my dealer, Destination Harley in Tigard, OR and left a message with Parts. The service manager called me back a little later and said that indeed there was a bulletin on the shift linkage and they would order the parts and install it under warrenty. Didn't even have to drop Court's name.
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Notrt
Posted on Saturday, November 24, 2001 - 05:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Has anyone heard of a proven way to get some minimal tool/spares storage on an S1W? Of all the bikes I've owned, this is the only one that has no tool storage at all... Also, does anyone know how to get a slightly narrower and slightly lower handlebar set-up than the stock version on a S1W?
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Mikej
Posted on Saturday, November 24, 2001 - 10:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Most of the S1 riders I've seen using extra storage use either a tank bag or a tail bag, some use saddlebags (kind of overkill for just a few tools), some have tried the "flytrap" to hinge the flyscreen and stuff things between the headlight and speedometer plate, and I've even seen exactly one with the genuine Harley leather tool pouch hung on the fork tubes below the headlight.

For the handlebars look at what Blake has on his M2, but I don't know if those are still available. You could check with one of the site supporters at the top of the main page as at least a few of them offer clip-ons to fit to Buells.

Hope this helped some.
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Jmartz
Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 08:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Notrt:

Look at BMW R 90S type bars (repros, of course). Less than 1/2 the rise and only 26 inches wide. One problem... The angled clamp system on Buells (a la HD) makes it nearly impossible to use any atermarket or OEM bar. You will have to mutilate your upper clamp on the ends to allow for the rise to fit. Two small holes will also need to be drilled in order to accomodate the controls rotation prevention pins.

Jose
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Rocketman
Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 11:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Storage ? ON AN S1 ?????

in total sarcasm Forgive me, but one needs to know why ?

Rocket in England
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Tripper
Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 11:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Why??? Why to store enough Torx wrenches to put it back together at the far end of a trip, so as to make the return trip home!

Of course if your'e real lucky like I, it will gasp its last backfire at the dealers door as you just by coincidence happen to be riding nearby at the time.

Hey, I luv my Buell, but ya gotta be tough if your gonna be stupid.
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Rocketman
Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 11:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Snotr : I know what you mean actually. I've thought about it often and when I've thought for long enough, I've come up with what is needed to put in that toolkit.

I concluded that if, like I've done in the past, I'm gonna take the S1W into mainland Europe, when I'm not really travelling with anyone else, I'd include in my limited amount of luggage one of those aerosol type puncture repair liquids and some lineman pliers. Always carry a loaded Swiss Army knife and if Peter jumps in here, I think he has a really cute allen \torques \ crosshead socket set that folds up to about the size of a fag packet. Speaking of Peter, he was carrying a really cool set of Snap-On adjustable pliers of which I forget the #, but they can get your spindle undone easy and obviously there's lesser uses too. After borrowing Pete's set, I bought some of my own.

I'll take a picture of my Buell pannier bags. I've not used 'em yet, but they are tiny ! Perfect for a change of clothes, footwear and wash 'n' go, and if your lucky, the above mentioned tools might just squeeze in :)

I think it's a good idea I post a picture, because it's a really important aspect of long distance S1W-ing

Rocket in England
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Court
Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 12:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm thinking an adapter kit. . . Schwinn Apehangers with a Samsonite 253 Overnighter duct taped between. This show my midwestern roots?
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Notrt
Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 07:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Same thread as before...anyone had any experience with the "Yodude" ((really...?)) 'Flytrap' piece and the little bitty bag they say you can get with it???
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Road_Thing
Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 07:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Notrt:

I've got one on S1#1. It's not a bad piece, they sell on eBay for about $15. You could probably duplicate the kit with pieces from your local hardware store, but for the price it doesn't look to me like it's worth the aggravation. The "dude's" instruction sheet is entertaining, too...

r_t (full of turkey)
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Spacemanspiff
Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 11:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hello folks, About to become a new Buell owner ('02 X1) and wondered about your various experiences with the new Buell seats (with the colored piping) or any other aftermarket seat for X1's. Coming off of a '99 Speed Triple and an old wide glide, the stock seat on the X1 feels kinda stiff. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks.
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Buellzebub
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

notrt, if you can find em, the old k&n superbike bars work excellent, they are a little lower and they have a little more pullback than stock. [i think i may have seen them in the ASB catalog]
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Blake
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 04:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Spaceman: Give the stocker a good test ride. I've found the stock seat stuffing to actually be lacking in stiffness. It's thick and cushy, but under my 210 LB +gear weight, it's not up to maintaining an adequate layer of cush for extended periods. The Buell custom seats seem better designed ergonomically, but I have not had the chance to test one for any length of time.

My solution on my '97 M2's stock seat was to insert a gel pad under the stock foam. My local upholsterer carved a cavity the same size and shape as the gel pad into the bottom of the foam. Still not a touring all day comfort setup, but a SIGNIFICANT improvement. The problem with the older S1's and M2's with their skinny seats was for me not so much with the lack of padding, but that the padding would compress so that the edges of the tail section/seat pan would end up being the tallest part of the seat, not a comfy situation at all. Then Buell went totally over-reactionary with the 1999+ seats making them big fat mongo overstuffed monstrosities. Not only are they ugly, but they have no ergonomic fitment, and with the new ugly wrap-around design actually rub my thighs and prevent me from being able to confortably squeeze the tank. Oh, and the seat pan still has protruding edges, DUMB!!

All that needed to be done was to add a firmer dual density foam and eliminate the protruding edges of the seat pan. Look at the Busa seat, that's the kind of seat that works best for me anyway. Plus it's actually more minimalistic than adding a bunch of extraneous vinyl in a weak attempt to stylize the seat to the rest of the bike. Buell, please bring back the lean/mean/slim-lined minimalist approach to design. Spend some time learning about seat design and ergonomics.

Good luck.
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Az_M2
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 09:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake, did I read a post from you stating that you could bolt on the pre-99 M2 tail section / tank to the newer M2s frames? I'm really interested in slimming my M2 down.
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Blake
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 10:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I saw a '99 with a '97/'98 tail and tank. It was a sweet bike and gave me a real woody. She belongs to Michelob though. Mitch? You wanna write up a description of how you accomplished the slimming down of your '99 M2. As I recall, Mitch said something to the effect that the old tail section pretty much bolted right up; he just had to cut a few holes in the seat pan area to gain clearance for fuses or something.

The fat M2 just don't do it for me. No way rearsets would work either; my heels would be jammed into the overgrown tail section's side panels. Even on the stock pegs, my heels hit the side panels.

I LOVE my '97 M2 though. From the iron front disk, to the smaller tank, to the side mounted ignition switch. The only things I miss on my '97 are the Thunderstormed engine, and the Showa front shocks.

Hopefully Mitch will give us the official scoop.

Blake
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Spacemanspiff
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 11:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake, Thanks for the info. I'll try it out for a few hundred miles, but just sitting on her at the shop convinces me to want to try something else. The M2's seat and positioning seems much more "user friendly", but my heart is set on the X1. I like the gel pad idea and will give it a shot as necessary. Thanks again.

SS
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Ccryder
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2001 - 12:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Shawn:
The Buell P&A seat is very nice. I have one for my X-1 er, X-3. The propad gel pad helps on any seat. I have owned both the S3/M2 framed Buells and the X-1. I like the rider positioning on the X-1 sooo much better. You are at "one with the bike" instead of sitting on top just along for the ride.

I was really surprised at the difference when I traded my X-1 to DAve and his Nuked Demon S3T for some twisties in MO. I really felt out there and not really one with the bike. DAve almost didn't want to trade back because Stripe'r was sooo much smoother and in touch with the turns than his S3T. It was a real contrast in just the frame differences. Both handle great, but the X-1 seems more with the rider. Just my $0.02 and I'm sure to stir the pot ;+}.
Just in case you don't know an X-3:
Stripe'r In CO BTW that smurff with the Team Elves hat is me.

Neil S.
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Spacemanspiff
Posted on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 12:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Neil,
That's quite a creation. I am not a fan of full face helmets and can appreciate the fairing on your Stripe'r. I'm looking forward to trying the gel pad idea. The riding position of the X-1 vs the M-2 is one of the reasons I chose that model. My brother has an M-2 and although it's a fine machine, I can see how your assessment can be true. Thanks again -

SS
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Buelliedan
Posted on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 11:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

SS,
Please, please become a fan of full face helmets! I just had a pretty significant accident and have personnaly witnessed 2 friends go down hard. All of us were wearing full face helmets and we all walked away. If not for these helmets I know at least one if us would not be here today.
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Bomber
Posted on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 12:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

nuther reason to wear a full face helmet . . . . I'm a recent convert (mostly on longer rides . . .shorter, low speed jaunts still see my open faced used . . . . . . )

On a longer ride (100+ miles, for me), in when it's cold or rainy, I've found I feel much better at the end of the ride when I've worn my full face (actually, a flip-front . . . .love that Shcubert!) than I do with the open faced . . . . feel little less beat up . . . .wearing the full face extended a couple of rides past the point I would have wanted to stop in the open model

as always, my opinions are lielky worth what you've paid for them
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Blake
Posted on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 02:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My face was saved by my full face helmet. If I had to choose, I'd surely rather expose the back of my head than my face. Thankfully, I can protect both.

Blake (A face is a terrible thing to waste)
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Spacemanspiff
Posted on Saturday, December 01, 2001 - 12:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thank you for your concern gentlemen. I appreciate your sentiment, and in fact own a few full face helmets, but reserve the right to dislike them. Love bikes of all size, make and color and have over 25 years of street riding under my belt, along with 8 years of dirt and ice before that. Taught for the MSF for 6 years and have been a paramedic for 20+. You'd think with that much experience I'd embrace full face helmets, but alas, have never liked them and rarely wear one. Sorry to disappoint you, but you can't sell me on that one. See ya out there.

Riding free...

SS
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