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Jlnance
| | Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 04:54 pm: | 
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Just got back from a ride with the Girl. Did you see us Mark? We passed you and Laura at the intersection of Laura Duncan & US-64. I'd have turned around but there is about a mile of median there 
Right before I got there, I pulled out onto 64, came to the first light and the bike wasn't running anymore. I tried to restart it a couple of times and it wouldn't go. The Girl hopped off and I walked it to the median. Still wouldn't start. About 90 seconds later The Girl says to try again and it starts right up. We rode about 50 miles after that with no problems. I've no clue.
Here is something else I have no clue about. I was looking at the luggage mounts on the Uly, and mine are not bolted to the frame behind the passenger pegs. There is a metal tab that looks like it is supposed to be bolted, but no bolt. It's hard for me to believe that both sides vibrated loose, so I'm thinking there has never been a bolt in there. Is that piece attached on your bike Carlos? |
Bigdaddy
| | Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 06:31 pm: |
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Jim,
Those locations call for bolts. I'd suspect, actually I'd bet, you don't have them because they're a major pain to get in. I had to modify the right side bracket to get it to fit at all. Do the holes line up now?
Whoever did the install left the hard part for you -- sorry
G2 |
Jlnance
| | Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 08:35 pm: |
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Nope the holes don't line up. Do you happen to know what size those bolts are? |
Bigdaddy
| | Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 09:09 pm: |
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I don't remember what size they are, but they all share the same head size -- two are quite a bit longer. Take a quick peek under your seat and you'll see the 4 places it's currently mounted.
I'm now 'really' sure why yours doesn't have the two bottom bolts -- they can be painful and someone didn't want to bother.
G2 |
M2nc
| | Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 11:48 pm: |
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Jim, I don't remember the size either but I am sure we can find out. The only way to make the rack fit is to follow the instructions. You have to loosen all the bolts and follow the tightening pattern that the instructions call out. If you do not have the instructions let me know because I am pretty sure I still have them and can fax them to you. The crazy Germans knew they could not insure the bolts would line up so they came up with a tightening pattern that worked like a charm. At least on my bike. |
Jlnance
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 12:26 am: |
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Thanks Carlos. I don't have the instructions. Ray Price put the bags on. Or so I thought |
M2nc
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 12:36 am: |
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Okay Jim, I'll look up the instructions and scan them for you tomorrow. Oh and I believe the instructions have the BOM too so the bolt size should be on the same document.
(Message edited by M2nc on October 22, 2006) |
Bigdaddy
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 07:56 am: |
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Yea, loosen everything up and go from there. I'll be you a hamburger that even with everything scary loose one side (probably the right) won't fit?
I can't find the instructions that came with mine which isn't all that surprising.
G2
(Message edited by bigdaddy on October 22, 2006) |
Sportymark
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 11:00 am: |
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I saw ya Jim, we were just getting back from a ride up to Falls Lake and back. I called you like 5 minutes after you passed us and left a message on your phone... but I figured you were out ridin.
(Message edited by sportymark on October 22, 2006) |
M2nc
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 11:57 am: |
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Jim,
The bolt size is 1/4"x20"x5/8". They also require a 1/4" lock washer and locktite 271 (Red).
I thought there was a tightening pattern but it was just a process of what to put on first. You need to loosen all fasteners and remove the cross bar. Install the fasteners behind the foot pegs on the right and left bracket. Hand tighten only at this point. Re-install the cross bar using new locktite on the fasteners. When everything is threaded then tighten everything back to 108-120 in-lbs.
I hope this helps. |
Jlnance
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 12:40 pm: |
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Well, there is no way I'm getting a torque wrench in there. I'll just torque them to "tight." |
Bigdaddy
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 01:15 pm: |
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Jim, Did you get both side to line up?
Also, I have a preliminary, albeit early, report on the Tomahawks  How can you beat them if you do your own tires? $128.00 to my front door. 1.5 hours changing them out,,,yea I'm a slow old guy and I don't rush to do anything. I really need to get the Harbor Freight, or No-Mar, system. The old Fred Flinstone (that uses one old tire rim, mounted upside down on piece of 1 inch plywood) method is getting old
G2 |
M2nc
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 02:21 pm: |
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Jim, there is always plan B. The bike is under warranty and the dealer installed your bags. Have them fix it for free.
G2 - Is that $128 for front and rear tires? |
Bigdaddy
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 02:33 pm: |
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Carlos,
Yep, $128 -- tires plus shipping. I'm running the 180/55 on rear (M2.) If this is a positive experience I'll put them on everything. Cycle Tires is the store name on eBay.
G2
(Message edited by bigdaddy on October 22, 2006) |
Jlnance
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 03:54 pm: |
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there is always plan B.
I thought about it. I'm sure they could get to it sometime in November.
I'm going with plan C. I bought the bolts & washers and called Mark. I suspect I could get them on there myself, but it will actually be an enjoyable experience with company.
BTW, you said 120 in-lbs? Thats 10 ft-lbs of torque. I'm think that equates to "barly snug."
(Message edited by jlnance on October 22, 2006) |
Jlnance
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 03:58 pm: |
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Greg - how much does one of those tire changing machines cost? |
Bigdaddy
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 04:08 pm: |
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Jim,
I've never really got serious about pricing one, but here's what Harbor Freight has:
http://da.harborfreight.com/cpisearch/web/search.do?keyword=tire+changer&Submit= Go
NoMar seems to be better, but more expensive:
http://www.nomartirechanger.com/
My setup costs about $??.?? and many scuffed, skinned, swollen, sore knuckles
If our group was closer, geographically speaking, It'd make sense to have a mid-range unit and we could have 'change your tires day,' but with the distance between all of us it wouldn't make much sense (meaning I'd never be able to justify it with the accounting department.)
G2 |
Jlnance
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 04:17 pm: |
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This one is so much cheaper, I can't believe that it really works.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-Rand-Motorcycle-Tire-Changer-ATV-Auto_W0QQcmd ZViewItemQQcategoryZ43998QQihZ009QQitemZ190041380257QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW |
Ulywife
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 04:41 pm: |
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G2 - great minds think alike! Webe and I have had the same discussion over tire changers. What price range, etc. There was a discussion on tire changers not long ago on BadWeb. They discussed the no mar and harbor freight. Some liked them, others didn't.....
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=4062&post=703176#POST 703176 |
Bigdaddy
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 04:43 pm: |
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Based on the eBay pic the design is good. Quality would be the issue. If you can hold the rim steady and have something poking up through the axle hole that will withstand much abuse then it'll work. 3 quality tire spoons and something to break the bead you're in business -- I use a big C clamp with a 3/8's head on it so I can use the 1/2 drill to bust the beads. I know there's much better ways to do it, but it works for me.
I like (in that pic) the three external points that press in and hold your rim tight. I need to move in to the modern era of tire changing I guess.
G2 |
Oldog
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 05:02 pm: |
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BigD
Think of it like a business desicision.
If you had to spring for dealer / shop service at say 70$ each change 5 sets of tires would buy the changer and extras.
{ the no mar }
if it takes 2 hours a set what do you pay your self for the two hours.
Vs 45 min for a set?
the lever over the top is part of the bead breaker?
We have a HF store here I'll go take a look.. |
Bigdaddy
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 05:13 pm: |
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Olddog, I've never one in the wild so I don't know if that's the breaker or not?
The NoMar has my interest. I watched them demo it at the VIR race -- I don't now if JQ, Carlos, or Brankin saw it? -- and they guy made it look way easy. He had no bloody marks on either hand
I would add that summer time changes are the best, as mentioned in some other thread, if you can put the new tires out in the direct sunshine for a couple of hours, or more, they just kind of slip on.
G2
(Message edited by bigdaddy on October 22, 2006) |
Ulywife
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 05:28 pm: |
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Oldog and G2 - let us know what you find out. We are still interested in something here once the barn floor is done, along with the electric, etc. At that point, what is a few extra hundred dollars? As Oldog pointed out, after a few tire changes between the M2 and the Uly, not to mention probably Webe, 1313 and a few others, it will certainly pay for itself. My concern was not doing damage to the wheels. It would certainly make tires somewhat more affordable and convenient. |
Oldog
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 05:55 pm: |
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Just got back store is closed..
I will check monday, The No mar is a shoe in IMHO.
I have a set of gouged up PM's because I could not manage the protectors very well,
I am going to look at the machine, I work for an out fit that fabricates steel, and you can cut the UHMW plastic with wood working tools, we won't mention the DIY gene that runs in my family .
A cheap mounting machine and some No Mar accessories may be the ticket next year..
We are still interested in something here once the barn floor is done, along with the electric, etc.
Garage Depravation is no fun ....
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M2nc
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 06:06 pm: |
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BTW, you said 120 in-lbs? Thats 10 ft-lbs of torque. I'm think that equates to "barly snug."
Jim, an average person with a screw driver can only do about 5 lbs-ft of torque. The lever action of a ratchet will allow you to increase that amount. The concern here is that you are screwing a steel bolt into an aluminum part. As I found out when I had to replace the left foot peg mounting plate after my ice-capade event last November, it is easy to cross thread and/or strip the threads in aluminum.
Here is my advice. Use loctite red and give it enough torque to flatten the lock washer and stop. If you over-torque it you will strip the threads out of the part.
If you do that let me know and I will tell you what we did to fix it on mine. |
Ulywife
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 08:03 pm: |
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Garage Depravation is no fun ....
Right now we have a 3-part barn. The area that used to be my Daddy's upholstery shop is where the bikes are along with the Cub Cadet and an exercise monster! We're wanting to fix the flooring in the center section which is much larger and has some great upper storage. Good winter project especially since Carlos is really looking for a little Blast! to ride as a daily commuter to help take the mileage off the Uly.
Webe and I were talking tonight and we may venture your way to check out that harbor freight depending on what you find out.
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Nutsnbolt
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 10:34 pm: |
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old dog, yea that's part of the bead breaker on the bottom. My neighbor has the identical system and I have actually changed the tyres with him showing me how to do it once. It's pretty simple.
Lay a blanket on the ground over the bottom so not to scratch the wheels.
However, the bar that comes with it is junk, he went and got a no mar bar instead. It was kinda worth the extra money. As far as the points to hold the rim secure, they work, we just (to be safe) put a scrap of old dish cloth over those 3 points as to minimize the chance of scratching. You never know what happens when you get together, changin tyres, scratchin foreheads and drinkin beer. So, Real easy.
As far as slippin the tyres on the bike, yea, let them sit out in the sun, (warm or not warm outside, sun will affect it either way as black attracts the heat) so they are a bit more plyable and malialbe. As far as some spoons to slip em on, yea, about 3 will work and to make sure you dont scratch the rim, cut up a milk carton into some lage scraps to put between the spoons and the rim. It's a great trick.
The rear tyres are a pain in the butt. The fronts just slip on. The rear sucks, cause of that dang huge sproket. Another tip, add some k-y and water to act as a lubricant when slippin on the tyres. You'd be amazed. I actually got that tip from this guy in CA at track days.
Other than that, it's easy as pie. Change the rear tyre with the sprocket down.
Good Luck.
Mark |
Oldog
| | Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 11:01 pm: |
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Webe and I were talking tonight and we may venture your way to check out that harbor freight depending on what you find out.
Let me know, mebe we can hook up for a meal .. |
Ulywife
| | Posted on Monday, October 23, 2006 - 12:05 am: |
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Oldog - sounds like a plan!
Nuts - I've ordered your C3 magnet. Things have been crazy around here, but it should be ready this week. If Carlos heads to Jacksonville next Sunday, he should have it with him along with the decals you wanted.
If we pull this tire changer off, you may have to come over for a cookout and tire changing session! |
Nutsnbolt
| | Posted on Monday, October 23, 2006 - 06:34 am: |
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One more thing. no matter which you buy, the no-mar or the Harbor Freight one, (Neighbor has the Harbor one,) you are going to want to bolt it to a rather semi large and thich piece of either plywood or some sort of base. He's got his bolted to about a 36x36 (roughly) piece of plywood. His is a bit warped by now, but still works. So, if it were up to me I'd try to ramp it up a bit with atleast a 3/4 inch or if possible an inch thick. Plus, it wouldn't hurt to make your base 48x48 to accomidate the wheel a bit better when breaking the bead.
That's about it. Oh, my previous post didn't put it, i just assumed the obvious, but, put the tyre lubricant in a spray bottle and you just spray the tyre and whalaa!! You will soon hear that ... FLOOP!! The sweet sound of personal gratification of doing it yourself and thumbin your nose to the local HD T-Shirt Boutique / Shiny chrome supply depot.
I had a semi bad experience at New River. 1000 mile service without even checking my TPS and to top the whole experience off, as I was pulling out of the service area, the mech (kid) told me I had a headlight out. Needless to say, I left in a hurry, I haven't been back since except to buy some synthetic. So, I basically paid for a really expensive oil change.
See ya.
Mark |
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