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Author Message   Bomber Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 01:35 pm:        nossir . . .no word from him at all   Chibueller Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 03:04 pm:        well he aint cutting any grass, that's fer sher.   Nevco1 Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 05:51 pm:        Chi... Not to sure about the grass part. With the warm weather and rain, mine is nice and green up in the Milwaukee area. Wouldn't it be nice if winter were over and riding season was only a few rainstorms away? Pray for Global Warming!!!   X1bueller Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 08:32 am:        Hey All - I got a 4 wheeler problem My V6 is acting up. It's hesitating. Sometimes it runs fine, but latley it's been idling rough and stuttering when I give it gas, especially when I floor it. It just feels as though it's skipping s beat and I'm not getting any power. So far, I have dropped in about a gallon of injector cleaner, changed the plugs, PCV Valve, Fuell Filter, Air Filter. I also checked the rotor and cap (some white deposits, but still looks pretty good.) I ALWAYS put 93 octane in the tank, but one day I was running really low and was forced to use 87 octane. it ran fine for a while on that tank, but this is when the problems started. I have filled up with 93 octane 2 times since. I also should mention that I was running low on radiator fluid. I topped it off that morning. The motor does run like it's wet and you can actually hear a "BLAT-BLAT-BLAT" kind of a "Fart" sound comming from the tail pipe. Any Clues???? I'm thinking injectors (time to sell)   Bomber Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 08:56 am:        I'm thinkin timing, X . . . . . sound more like that than fuel related, but, then I still have a dwell meter, so what do I know?   Tracesof Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 01:31 pm:        Re: V6 acting up...need more info: What model vehicle & year, motor, current milage, last tuned? All will help to diagnose...i've been wanting to tell this to one of my incoming calls that also want the quick diagnoses, but they may not get the humor, so i'll say it here: Back the vehicle up to the phone...put the reciever in the tailpipe and hold @4000 rpm for 2-3 min and than repeat...my quick scan thingy will print up the answer(its a joke...) but seriously: Injectors? Jump time(belt/chain)? Worn tune parts? Intake leak? Fuel Pump? Could be ??? More info needed. Hope I can assist Ray   Chibueller Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 02:50 pm:        Its a Ford! Nuff said, Bill   X1bueller Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 05:25 pm:        93 Ford Probe GT V6 106000 miles. Always been a good strong runner, Right Bomber?????? Maybe I shouldn't have pulled two bikes at 90Mph to the gap and back???? Anyway, Doubt it's timming because it's intermittant. It usually runs strong after it sits for a while (like over night). But other times i'm driving down the street and it just kicks back to normal. It usually gives me a problem after I give it strong accelleration or shift to a higher gear and lug it allong a little. I thought of an intake leak, maybe. Check my previous posts for what I have done so far. Last tune about 2 years ago. Ray, are you a ford guy????   Bomber Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 05:32 pm:        X1 . . .damnbetcha . . . .. little sucker's got heart, aright! hmmmm . . .fuel pump or pressure regulator? I'm really not at all experienced with FI . . . . .   Nevco1 Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 05:40 pm:        I dunno guys...If this is an all of a sudden thing, I am thinking water from bad gas and condensation. Try Heet or some other gas drier. I don't believe the injector cleaner will dry up the gas as well.   Bomber Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 05:42 pm:        I was thinkin the same, unitl I read how much gas he'd run through it since he filled up with the PEMEX stuff   Nevco1 Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 06:29 pm:        PEMEX...Too Funny!!! About all that is good for is a camp fire. LMAO Actually, the water settles and does not go anywhere until it gets to the level of the pick up and then creates all sorts of havoc like described. Is why trucks and boats have water separaters on both gas and diesel fuel lines. Additionally, old underground tanks at the midwestern gas stations are notorious for accumulating water and if you fill up when the pump is real low, guess what you get. I still would OD the tank with a gas drier before going too much further. Granted a good tune up is always something to be done with some semblance of regularity. Sure would like to learn what the cause is in this instance.   Tracesof Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 06:51 pm:        Re: 93 Probe...What does the pressure out the exhaust feel like? If it's restricted you can try disconnecting it before the convt...could be clogged. I've seen rusted mufflers let loose internally and restrict flow. And this condition will be intermittent as cat con heats and cools... just a thought. About the 2yr tune-up...how many miles on the tune? Sounds like a cheap way to rule that out as a problem...include a cap/rotor & fuel filter. As for the "Heet" in the tank...Big NO! Heet is alcohol, and i've seen it cause pump & Inj failures. Am I a ford guy? After owning 6 Mustangs, and currently owning an 01 Taurus and a 93 Aeorstar with appx 175,000 miles on it...Yes Ford/Nissan. These are just a few cheap & easy things to try. Later Ray   Nevco1 Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 09:32 pm:        Traces... Thanks for the info on the HEET. I knew alcohol is a big mistake in boats but was under the impression that it was still kosher for automobile systems. What would you use to eliminate water from a gas tank? Thanks   X1bueller Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 10:04 pm:        Water in the tank. I must say that she's running like she's wet. Especially since it runs good/bad intermittantly. I ran through a deep puddle this last summer and sucked up some water through the cold air intake. She ran rough for about 2 days then it cleared itself up. I thought it was the same thing. But now it's two weeks and im on my third tank. I was going to try a cap and rotor next. I did pull it and it looked OK. I got a new distributor less than a year ago, cap and rotor included. Brother Bomber - How's the M-Stang running?????   Bomber Posted on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 09:12 am:        X . . . .stang's running great, thanks, almost through the break-in on the new engine . . . .helluva christmas present I bought myself . . . . . (grin) . . . . . . 8 cylinders definately better than 7.5! and that awful noise is gone, too water, I hadn't thought of that . . . but Nev's right, sounds like water . . . run the poor dear damn near dry, then empty the tank, there should be a drain on it . . . ..   X1bueller Posted on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 10:17 am:        What happened there. I missed the post. Did you blow the motor or just do some upgrade work..........or both!?!?!?!   Nevco1 Posted on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 11:03 am:        Shouldn't be necessary to drain totally if allowed to settle first. Water being heavier will be closest to drain. Drain slowly and stop when when signs of water are gone. Then fill with high octane, some form of approved drier and go for a long ride. Unfortunately, I had to do this with 120 gallon tank on my boat at sea. Needless to say I installed a water separator the next day. In support of Traces comment about alcohol, the rubber hoses and gaskets used in marine engines were (don't know if they still are) different than auto engines and not compatible with alcohol in either fuel or additives. Hence, marine gas was different from what you would get at the gas stations which proved to be a problem for only a few economically minded trailer boaters. FYI, I have used a can of HEET in both cars and bikes on the rare as needed basis with no ill effects, but that's just me. I assumed there was no problem with it as the ethanol in the gas we get here is an alcohol additive. Honest...Look it up.   Bomber Posted on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 11:50 am:        X . . . .. . let's just say that I have a 34k mile chassis with a 515 mile engine, and leave it at that . . . . .it'll be something I laugh about, later   Tracesof Posted on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 06:32 pm:        Back to the 93 Probe: The deep puddle last year may have got into the air box, and be the result of Air Flow failure(?) you are experiencing now...your problem does sound Fuel related, but let's rule out spark and perform the tune anyway...i'm thinkin Air Flow or Injectors. Another easy inspection for a possible intake leak is to spray carb clean around the intake as it is acting up...it could be acting up as the engine heats up. If all else fails see your friendly Ford dealer...we're not all bad, and we do fix cars. Take Care Ray