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Got1nut
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 01:50 pm: | 
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"I guess next time I'll keep my question to myself and just wait for TFM so I can RTFM. I wouldn't want to put anyone out for some advice."
Everyone's probably too busy reading the awesome topics in the quick board . |
Gusmyster
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 02:00 pm: |
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Is there much difference in the 2004 S manual and the 2005 R one? 'cause now were talking $120, that'll buy me one of the 4 brake/clutch levers I want to buy... 
g u s |
Dago
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 02:10 pm: |
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Buy the levers and PM me any question you would have ordinarily looked up until you can get a manual of your very own. It would break my heart to see someone have to do without.  |
Gusmyster
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 02:19 pm: |
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LOL
Thanx Dago, man I am obsessing on those levers!
g u s |
Barkandbite
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 03:24 pm: |
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For those of you who so nobly rush to the defense
of those folks who won't/can't/haven't invested in
the service manual, please respond below directly
as I'll go ahead and compile your names in a list
of those who will DIRECTLY and PERSONALLY respond
to anyone who asks questions regarding their bikes
without investing in:
1) the proper tools
2) the service manual
3) the necessary skill to safely service their ride.
Look, I'm all for using the Internet for finding
answers to questions when you've exhausted all
reasonably available sources for answers.
However...
The Internet is one of the biggest crutches known
to man -- rather than invest in something that
can save you money in the long term (and perhaps
even save your life) folks would rather purchase
the latest bling instead.
If you don't have a manual, then seriously, learn
to use the f'in search function and/or go ask the dealer...this board (and those like it) get so
clogged with iterative waves of repetitive
questions that are easily answered by using the
manual. You'll also learn a HELL of a lot more
about the machine you're riding by getting the
manual.
You can give a man a loaf of bread or teach him
to fish.
Even fishermen have manuals.
I'm not on a soap box. I'm on a platform of
pragmatism, practicality and responsibility.
If you can spend $8,000 to $10,000 on a damned
bike, you can afford a service manual!
As to those who enjoy f'ing up their bikes, making
friends while posting about it and then "learning"
from the mistake, I candidly suggest that had you
spent the $60, perhaps the (potential) thousands
of $$ would not be wasted had you the manual in
the first place.
To each his own.
RTFM.
Chris |
Barkandbite
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 03:29 pm: |
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Ted wrote:
"Ya and ban the next person asking:
1) I just got a new XB, what upgrades should i do?
2) Whats a good replacement tire?
3) What oil do you use?
etc, etc..
be carefull gettin off the podium.
No, Ted, that's not the same, but thanks for
reducing this to the rediculous. There's a
marked difference between what I am saying and
your basal argument which serves to accomplish
nothing more than distract from the issue.
Upgrades, tire replacements and aftermarket oils
have nothing to do with trying to service a bike
without:
1) the proper tools
2) the service manual
3) the necessary skill to safely service their ride.
Again, this is about common sense and courtesy,
not sensationalism and pissing matches.
YMMV.
RTFM.
Chris |
Got1nut
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 03:31 pm: |
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Its all in the delivery. |
Glitch
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 03:31 pm: |
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Jeez Christofer, you act like you have no choice weather or not to answer a question.
I understand no wanting to, I understand not doing so, but what I really want to know is...
How do you really feel? |
Starter
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 03:35 pm: |
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This is a good post notto become involved in.......Too Late. |
Firebolt020283
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 03:45 pm: |
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though i agree that topics and questions are asked over and over and it can be tiresome but i really never seen it as much of a problem if i can help a fellow rider with a question he may have but i also agree that u should get the manual but why be so mean about it if some one ask a question u can eather answer or not its as easy as that. I think that the way this descusion is worded would scare off guys that really are just trying to find simple answers. |
Yeags30
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 04:00 pm: |
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To whom it may concern:
It seems some people can't take a sarcastic comment. I asked a simple question and i thank the people that took the time out of their busy schedules to respond in a helpful manner. Now for the people who find it necessary to read every post on the site and write obnoxious comments WHY DON'T YOU GO JOIN A CHAT ROOM ON AOL!If you have a problem with people asking questions then don't read the post. Move on and go look for some more cheesy bolts ons for your bike. Do i have the service manual?? No....should i invest in one????....yep.....if my bike breaks what will i do??? Probably get it fixed under warranty. I know certain"people" have a problem with the same questions being asked over and over again but like i said before if it bothers you that much then just skip the post...is it that hard or do you do nothing all day but sit at a desk and stare at a computer screen?? |
Daveinm
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 04:08 pm: |
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Can someone please tell me how to turn my bike on? Forget the service manual, I don't have an owner's manual |
Dago
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 04:10 pm: |
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To each his own indeed. I officially offer my help to anyone in the exact same manner as I offered it to Gus... "PM me any question you would have ordinarily looked up until you can get a manual of your very own."
I'll offer this service for no other reason than to ensure the asker will avoid a thrashin' from people who constantly use the RTFM acronym.
By the way, what if someone doesn't know what RTFM means? Can they ask that?
Perhaps you should work with Blake on wording an introductory email that's received by all new members of BadWeb about how they should always RTFM, buy the proper tools, and pull their heads completely out of their a$$e$ at all times before posting anything here online. I'm sure this would be a much more popular site.
Or maybe we could divide the site up into two major sections: 1 for intolerant know it alls who don't want to hear questions to which there's already an answer for printed in the manual or here online, and another for people who just want to help and be involved in a positive online community.
Looking beyond my sarcasm, I guess my main point is that this is a community for all different personality types and styles of behavior. There are hyper anal retentive types here, just as there are the free flowing flighty types. Yes, we should all get TFM. But there must be a better way to deliver that message while helping out a fellow Bueller in “need” other than belching the phrase, “RTFM!”  |
Barkandbite
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 04:10 pm: |
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Glitch...First amendment. Answer all you want.
You are extremely helpful. Glad you're here
...I'll add you to the list
Got1Nut...you're right, it's all in the delivery.
I believe Federal Express 3-day delivery for a
service manual is quite inexpensive....
I don't mind answering questions. I try to be
helpful as much as I can, and I've given fellow
riders use of my tools, my spare parts and even
my bike to help, but seriously, if you post a
basic question that one can find the answer to
in the service manual and don't precede your
question with "I have my manual on the way,
but..." then you're going to get the...
"Here's your sign..."
It's how I feel boys. Agree or disagree, but
I'll be the first to read my manual before posting
a question. I respect everyone elses time and
energy too much not to.
Chris
BTFM/RTFM and THEN ATFB (Ask the F'in board.) |
Barkandbite
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 04:23 pm: |
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Yeags30 wrote:
It seems some people can't take a sarcastic comment. I asked a simple question and i thank the people that took the time out of their busy schedules to respond in a helpful manner. Now for the people who find it necessary to read every post on the site and write obnoxious comments WHY DON'T YOU GO JOIN A CHAT ROOM ON AOL!If you have a problem with people asking questions then don't read the post.
I don't have a problem with people asking
questions. I have a problem when people post
about unsafe acts while maintaining their
motorcycle and could end up hurting themselves.
So, because of shortcuts suggested/taken, someone
else might not buy the manual or invest in the
proper equipment and get hurt following what may
be perceived as an acceptable method for working
on one's bike.
The other issue is that their isn't a "I didn't buy the service manual" icon that separates
the wheat from the chaff in the mass of posts
that show up here.
When I see a question from someone, I go read
it to see if I can help. If again and again it
relates to not having a manual, it gets OLD!
It takes quite a bit of time wading through all
the posts to find the people who actually need
help or those thet just play like they do on
the Internet.
People get hurt or screw up their rides daily
because they fail to exercise common sense. I
consider this my PSA for the day. Enjoy!
Drag this on all you want. I'm done. RTFM.
Chris |
Buellman39
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 04:32 pm: |
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I agree... owning the manual is the best thing I bought for my buell so far. I helps me understand what the bike is all about. Plus from a safety stand point It can help prevent you from doing something with your bike you shouldn't.
BTFM
And if you still need help ask thats what the boards for
Cheers |
Hattrick
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 04:57 pm: |
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Wow!! This thread has really taken off. I will admit I do own and read the manual, but still have questions on what some people view as a better way to do things. One example was removing my belt guard on my 03 XB9S. There was a different way to do this than what was in the book, but i didn't have to loosen every bolt on the bike like the book says.
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Barkandbite
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 05:03 pm: |
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...and that's a perfectly wonderful use of the board...for obvious reasons.
Sorry if I offended anyone, but it's a sore point
for me.
Chris |
Gowindward
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 05:13 pm: |
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Okay everyone stand clear....I think we have a real serious case of PMS.....We could actually be at the DPMB (Deadly Parked Motorcycle Buildup)level, which is very much like DSB (Deadly Seminal Buildup)
Quick someone get this man his helmet and the key to his Buell. It looks like nobody will be safe until this man goes for a ride.
RELAX 
(Message edited by gowindward on February 22, 2005) |
U4euh
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 05:35 pm: |
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I have never seen a thread go so quickly into archive status than this one. Bark- you have a valid point. Like someone else posted- it is all in the delivery! GTFM/RTFM (and this is in past tense-GOT & READ) But sometimes still have questions. Which I believe is your point- Looking for ways to MAKE SOME STEPS EASIER! is not a bad question nor a waste of bandwidth. This site is getting so danged big, that changes should be made(IE-no more avatars INMHO!) If not it will crash and where would we be? Riding, where I should be right now considering it is 65 fricken degrees outside.
Hope you feel better, I do! |
Barkandbite
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 08:37 pm: |
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Chris
(I'll work on the delivery method...) |
Suprsprt454
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 02:25 am: |
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who needs torque specs anyways |
Yeags30
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 02:49 pm: |
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chris saysrag this on all you want. I'm done. RTFM
guess you weren't done because i see 2 more posts after that one...
Just to let you know i will get a manual when it is needed. My bike has roughly 2000 miles on it so i'm not too concerned right now. AS for hurting myself and using common sense beleive me i would never do anything to endanger myself or anyone else. If you purchased a D&D pipe you would know that the instructions are terrible. I loosened the rear axle a few turns and it did nothing for the tension on the belt. Because i do not own a swingarm stand i put the bike back together. It does seem you have a problem with people asking questions....People sign up for this site everyday and the same questions are bound to come up. Even if you read them why do you find it necessary to make comments. I guess you have no self control. |
Lpowel02
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 03:55 pm: |
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funny how so much time was wasted on a thread that was started as a rant about wasting time...
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Ted
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 04:21 pm: |
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"wasting time" ..Time waster> I think thats the definition of the internet away. |
Barkandbite
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 05:42 pm: |
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...and they suck me right back in.
Working on your bike when you don't know what you're doing *IS* endangering yourself or others. Loosening the rear axle without some form of support other than the kickstand *IS* endangering yourself and risking your bike falling over.
If you had a manual you'd see the part where it suggests that serious injury or death can occur when you don't use proper procedures. It makes mention of things like "make sure your motorcycle is properly supported..."
Of course, you don't need this knowledge, because you already know it all.
I don't have a problem with people asking questions. I ask them all the time. But I also don't waste people's time by asking questions without first making sure I've exhausted my own ability to answer them.
Yet again, my post had nothing about asking questions in general, it had everything to do with buying the service manual for your motorcycle and reading it before you ask a question.
Why? Because half of these questions are already answered there.
That has nothing to do with being new. It has everything to do with being a reasonably responsible. But you'd rather make this about me instead of you.
I purchased the manual. I use it when I work on my bike. I don't ask questions without first consulting it.
Not being responsible for your own actions and education by doing some legwork first is what I have a problem with:
* Not using the search feature
* Not using the Knowledge Vault
* Not owning the service manual
* Not visiting your local dealership's service
bay.
Everyone wants a quick fix and immediate gratification and that's what the Internet delivers. Why bother educating yourself when you can let others do it for you, right?
Lazy.
Get over yourself. If you want to act like an a$$clown and then project your issues on me, knock yourself out. In fact, if you keep working on your bike like you have been, you probably will.
Don't put words in my mouth because of your inability to exercise common sense.
If you want to drag this on by continuing to
troll and illustrate my points for me, good for you. Keep right along. Otherwise, you might
suck it up, buy the freaking manual and use it before you do screw yourself or your bike up.
You know what? I have changed my mind. I *am*
on a soapbox...I'm preaching common sense and
taking responsibility for your own actions.
I can see why that's so offensive. 
Good luck and good riding.
Chris |
Tbs_stunta
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 06:14 pm: |
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I'm thinking about buying a new XB, what upgrades should i do? While we're on the topic...Whats a good replacement tire and what oil do you use? |
Barkandbite
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 06:31 pm: |
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TBS:
You didn't specify 12 or 9 or S/R but the "usual suspects" include:
- 12 airbox cover
- Race Kit (you get the ECM, Filter + muffler)
- Techlusion
- Technoresearch tool (for TPS resets, etc.)
- Traction grips
- Zero/G windshield
- Adjustable rearsets
- Corbin or Buell Seat
- CRG levers
Tires: Metzers/Pirelli depending upon your riding
style and street/freeway/track riding you do.
Mobil-1 Synthetic in motor and gearbox.
Did I mention the service manual? |
Tbs_stunta
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 06:36 pm: |
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I was hoping Ted would answer the question. |
Deerhunter17
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 06:52 pm: |
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well it was an interesting read, I guess I'm glad I got the manual, but wait, isn't there more than one? Oh my god, now what? Do I need BOTH the service manual AND the parts manual?
Oh and the tools! Ofcourse I need tools, but what tools dare I ask? Hate to get B!t@# slapped for askin' that one.
Skills? As I have been following along here for he past 9 months or so, I kinda got the feelin' that there is / is'nt, no wait, IS, no, ...Skills? |
Barkandbite
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 07:08 pm: |
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Yeags and I have agreed to have a beer and we have
both learned something from all of this:
1) We both have far too much time on our hands
2) ...what was the second thing?
oh, and
3) There will be beer purchased when we meet.
Anyone else want to participate in the group hug?
Chris
(Message edited by BarkandBite on February 25, 2005) |
Yeags30
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 07:17 pm: |
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you are in cali right????? I'm in San Diego once and awhile....does that help? |
Barkandbite
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 07:20 pm: |
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PM me. I'll give you my cell. You call. We drink.
Chris |
Glitch
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 08:35 pm: |
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funny how so much time was wasted on a thread that was started as a rant about wasting time...  |
Barkandbite
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 08:49 pm: |
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G --
I don't see it as a waste of time. More people
have or will have the service manual. More people
will have less problems.
You call it a rant, I call it a public service announcement. Ain't America great?
Even if it's one person who gets more knowledge, it's been worth it.
Besides, we get to drink beer now.
Chris |
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