| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
Thanks to all who honored the request to end earlier discussion threads on the Tiforce. Looks like the issue has cooled down enough. My comment is that I like the spring tensioned joints. Sure would be nice to see an objective performance test. So, who's going to get one and test it and tell us the results versus some other baseline, preferably the stock system or race system or other well-known modified exhaust. | ||
| Jerseyguy  |
Funny.... the springs were the one thing I didn't like. They remind me of the of the PUCH 175 Enduro I used to compete on in the 70s. It used to drool the products of combustion out the joint. Of course it was a 2 stroke running a 15 to 1 gas oil mix if I remember right. Didn't Dave S. suggested that he'd run the test if the MFG'r would send him one? | ||
| Stealthxb  |
I saw the exhaust on Rossi's Yamaha last weekend at the IMS Show and it had springs! | ||
| Stealthxb |
I would love to be the guniea pig on this one, put the pipe just is not high enough on the priority list to justify spending that kind of cash right now. Maybe next year. | ||
| Daves  |
I have a test pipe coming next week from Rob. We will have dyno charts in the next week or two. | ||
| Rigga  |
now those i would like to see dave.......once and for all proof of how well it works....or not | ||
| Daves |
Once I get them done I'll post the dyno charts here. | ||
| Blake |
Dave, Baseline will be versus what? Any idea yet? | ||
| Daves |
I will be running my demo with a K+N,Race ECM and Buell race muffler. Then to be fair, we will add a TFI box to the bike and run it that way. Then I will install the TiForce and run it that way. I think that will give us the best idea of what the pipe is bringing to the party. Sound ok? | ||
| Wyckedflesh  |
I agree Dave, the test with the TiForce with the TFI is what Rob suggested since its beleived that the pipe by itself will lean out the mix too much to see any gains with just the pipe and race kit. | ||
| Tank_bueller  |
Will this be on a 9 or a 12? Just curious...can't fork up that kinda' cash for pipes. Good on ya, Dave(The Info guru/ Deal maker/ and now.....Peacekeeper!) tank | ||
| Rigga |
this is really helpfull as i have bits in the garage to add to the bike.........jardine, tfi, modded 12 airbox,but definitive postings on how these type of changes can make to the bike are rare,i know that the "feel" of the bike can change,but its not in all due respect a definitive answer,ive arranged some dyno runs for my set up or proposed set up in a couple of weeks so these type of postings are a great help to a number of guys who might be interested in purchasing certain items but....... as they say proof is positive | ||
| Johnk3 |
daves, you should do a pepsi challenge with the tiforce and the new force pipe. I would volunteer my new force since I haven't put it on yet. | ||
| Gsxr_is_gone |
Dave, I think that you should use a modded airbox too. | ||
| Ingemar |
My 2 cents FWIW, Buell with race kit, same Buell with ti-force. Optional: same config as above with stock ecm+TFI. Don't mess around with modded airboxes etc. Keep it simple with known configs. The point is not to get the highest numbers, but to see a difference reliably. | ||
| Reepicheep  |
So somebody is going to drop $1000 for a pipe and not spend 15 minutes cutting up the internal airbox cover and pulling the snorkel? I agree with simple, but I think a modded airbox should be part of the equation. I like Dave's test, that is the setup anyone buying that pipe would likely have. | ||
| Glitch  |
I'm with Ingemar, the point is to see the power curves, and air/fuel curves. If it has a high peak HP with nothing down low, or no mid range, or what ever. I'm more interested it how it would act on the street, since that's where most all my riding is done. I'm sure those that race more than street want to see the curve at the top and midrange as opposed to the bottom. Go goin' Dave. I'm glad to see this pipe get a "known good" run, the company that makes them are well know and respected for their other pipes. I'm glad personalities aren't getting in the way this time out. | ||
| Ingemar |
Reep, Pulling the snorkel is part of the race kit installation instructions. Since the Ti basically sells the pipe for a 12 I asume Dave is gonna test on a 12 with coney airbox lid. It's just a few good lads (read savvies) here that cut up the airbox. Most people don't. But, whatever Dave decides to do. It's gonna be good! Thanks pal! | ||
| Daves |
Yes, I will be using a 12 for this test. | ||
| M1combat  |
I'm with Dave... Dave... Do what you think is best. And thanks again  . | ||
| Gsxr_is_gone |
The XB12 runs rich at WOT. In order to see what this pipe will do, you need to get more air through the engine. | ||
| Glitch |
Yeah, but we want to know what happens when you just add the pipe. Keeping everything stock will give a better comparison, less variables to worry with. If we see that it runs rich with a stock configuration, that's good information. If a modded up bike runs rich/lean we won't know what caused it. A good base is what we're after. This way we'll know if it's worth tuning, or if it needs tuning. | ||
| M1combat |
It'll need tuning I'm sure. Who's going to spend $1300 on an exhaust system and not get a TFI? It's just good practice. I can see the point of not wanting a drilled airbox because most people don't, but as long as we have a dyno of a configuration w/ and w/o a Ti-Force, everything else being equal, we should be good. | ||
| Gsxr_is_gone |
Who is going to spend $1300 and NOT mod the airbox? And beside , I wasn't saying to not run the stock airbox, but this pipe NEEDS to have a mod airbox tested too. | ||
| Daves |
Which mod are you talking about? | ||
| Reepicheep |
I was talking about taking the 12 inner airbox and trimming away everything but the part that holds down the filter. I used velcro straps and o-rings to hold mine down once the cover is cut away. People without clear outer airboxes just put foam on top to pin it down. Others have ran bolts up from the airbox base plate and wing-nutted it down. The velcro straps and o-rings are a 10 minute job and parts run $5 from your local wal-mart. Seems to be holding very well. Pictures are here somewhere. | ||
| M1combat |
I think Dave's point was that there are so many different ways of doing it. Maybe someone should go about generating dyno's for all of them and then we can tell which one is the best. If you introduce an unknown like that, it throws off the accuracy of deciding where the gain comes from. I'm sure the best airbox mod is removin all un-necessary material and using the center portion of the 12 airbox lid to hold the filter in place (although I don't "know" that). In the interest of having accurate repeatable results, you would want a non-modified airbox. You could then look at dyno's of airbox mods to see what they bring and combine the ones you like (exhausts and mods...). | ||
| Ingemar |
 any chance of testing it on a 9 too?? | ||
| Blake |
If time/energy allow one might consider making one set of pulls for each config with a holy airbox. Sure is easy to make suggestions that would result in added work for others. I kinda like it.  5th gear, all the way to rev limiter? SAE correction Engine good and hot, stable results pull to pull All that kinda good stuff. | ||
| Daves |
I'm not going to chop up an airbox for the test, sorry. At this time I do not have any 9s to test it on other than new bikes and I'm not going to do that to some else's future bike. |
